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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #660 on: July 14, 2023, 07:20:52 AM »

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Brad says he wants a bit more depth, but isn't looking for a big or a point guard...he wants another wing. And he's still subscribing to his view that basketball is now positionless, so he's not thinking of players as point guards, shooting guards, small forwards, power forwards, and centers like those of us who grew up watching the game when those positions were clearly defined for players...he just looks at them as ball handlers, wings and bigs and one player can fill all three roles, either consecutively or concurrently if needed. Tatum can be a ball handler, a wing and also a big in small ball lineups for example.

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But as president of basketball operations Brad Stevens told reporters in Las Vegas on Wednesday night, the Celtics’ offseason is not yet over.

“I think we’ll try to add obviously a little bit,” Stevens said. “I’d like to get a little more depth, maybe on the wing, and then also maybe with a 4/3 type.”

Currently slotted at the wing behind stars Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown are sharpshooter Sam Hauser and defensive-minded rookie Jordan Walsh. While both players have shown promise and are very good at what they specialize in, they are both relatively unproven at the NBA level.

Stevens gave his vote of confidence to the Celtics’ other position groups, especially to their bigs. They added to their big man group of Robert Williams III and Al Horford this summer by acquiring free agent forward Oshae Brissett and trading for and extending one-time All-Star Kristaps Porzingis. Stevens feels confident in that group moving forward.

“I feel pretty good about our bigs,” Stevens said.

Another hard guy for the Celtics to lose was fan-favorite point guard Marcus Smart, who was traded in the deal that sent Porzingis to Boston. Even though the idea of Smart wearing a different team’s jersey will be difficult for Celtics fans, players, coaches, and executives to stomach, Stevens believes that many other players on the team are just as good at bringing the ball up the court.

“Malcolm [Brogdon], Payton [Pritchard], Derrick White, Tatum,” Stevens said, “those will be the guys that get us into offense.”

To Stevens, no one on this team has just one set position or role. Stevens views this Celtics team as positionless and does not want to limit the responsibility of initiating the offense to just the team’s point guards.

“We’re not really going to have that always designated like you would say, ‘that is a point guard, that is a two-guard, that is a three,’ Stevens said. “But they’re all really capable. Jaylen as well. Those guys all bring the ball up the court.”

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Expect another multipurpose jack of all trades guy.
Found it interesting that Pritchard was a prominent mention in that quote. Seems like Brad envisions him having a decent role going into next season, which I like the sound of. I think he has plenty to offer.

Another wing would be intriguing. From that phrasing, he made it sound like he's thinking of perhaps two additional guys. Not sure if that is what he meant, but a versatile wing type would be helpful. I wonder who he has in mind
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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #661 on: July 14, 2023, 07:28:45 AM »

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I say the Celtics are done trading..they may sign a cheap vet is all
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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #662 on: July 14, 2023, 08:17:17 AM »

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I say the Celtics are done trading..they may sign a cheap vet is all

I think the splash that people are saying they are hearing, comes at the deadline.  Not unless there is a massive four-five team deal based around Dame to the Heat and somehow Boston gets in on that action.
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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #663 on: July 14, 2023, 09:42:08 AM »

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I don’t think he adds anyone else but a 2 way player. He will say he wants to keep options open for the trade deadline like he said last summer.

Problem is he made one move that really didn’t provide much of anything last deadline.

They need another 4 that is nba caliber. One that can score some off the bench.

Brodgan- when healthy a 20 ppg player. Has to get healthy and stay healthy

PP- shown flashes. Is he capable of running a team and consistently getting minutes?

Al/Rob- great bench pieces if they stay healthy

Brissett- limited offense. High energy, long might help defensively. Don’t expect a lot out of him on offense. I think he probably plays more than Hauser

Banton- towel waiver. If he’s in the rotation things are drastic.

Walsh- rookie. Plays in garbage time

Hauser- still waiting for the next step. Average defender that has one skill set and that is shooting the three. Not trusted by the coach as seen in the playoffs where Boston desperately needed shooting. I question if he is a regular rotation player. Needs to be like the guys the heat rolled out.

Kornet- waste of a roster spot.

That really leaves brogdan as the one guy off the bench that can score consistently. That’s scary.
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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #664 on: July 14, 2023, 09:50:52 AM »

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I don’t think he adds anyone else but a 2 way player. He will say he wants to keep options open for the trade deadline like he said last summer.

Problem is he made one move that really didn’t provide much of anything last deadline.

They need another 4 that is nba caliber. One that can score some off the bench.

I don’t feel comfortable with the bench right now especially with the amount of injures that can happen to Rob/Al and brogdan.

That leaves a bunch of marginal nba players getting big minutes (Hauser, brissett, Banton, Kornet Walsh and PP). That is a scary thought.

Wings left:

Oubre
Nowell
Diallo
Barton
Davis
Green

Warren
Ross
Toscano-Anderson
Lamb

Green
Jones Jr.
Gabriel
Winslow

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

If we're looking for a SG and a 4/3, Davis + Winslow or Warren would be affordable.  I'd be quite happy if we could somehow pull off Oubre + JaMychael Green.

As for two-ways, we get to sign two more; the rules changed to allow teams to have three.  I'd be happy with Giles and Scrubb.


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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #665 on: July 14, 2023, 09:56:12 AM »

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I don’t think he adds anyone else but a 2 way player. He will say he wants to keep options open for the trade deadline like he said last summer.

Problem is he made one move that really didn’t provide much of anything last deadline.

They need another 4 that is nba caliber. One that can score some off the bench.

I don’t feel comfortable with the bench right now especially with the amount of injures that can happen to Rob/Al and brogdan.

That leaves a bunch of marginal nba players or guys that haven’t really proven themselves that are now getting big minutes (Hauser, brissett, Banton, Kornet Walsh and PP). That is a scary thought.
I don't think the team is as good as last year's at the moment. It has major holes and is going to continue to be the kind of team that aggravates C's fans. They'll get outworked - too often -- will get killed on 2nd chance opps and throw the ball away way too often. 

Hopefully Brad is able to make additional moves.

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« Reply #666 on: July 14, 2023, 09:58:13 AM »

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I don’t think he adds anyone else but a 2 way player. He will say he wants to keep options open for the trade deadline like he said last summer.

Problem is he made one move that really didn’t provide much of anything last deadline.

They need another 4 that is nba caliber. One that can score some off the bench.

I don’t feel comfortable with the bench right now especially with the amount of injures that can happen to Rob/Al and brogdan.

That leaves a bunch of marginal nba players getting big minutes (Hauser, brissett, Banton, Kornet Walsh and PP). That is a scary thought.

Wings left:

Oubre
Nowell
Diallo
Barton
Davis
Green

Warren
Ross
Toscano-Anderson
Lamb

Green
Jones Jr.
Gabriel
Winslow

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

If we're looking for a SG and a 4/3, Davis + Winslow or Warren would be affordable.  I'd be quite happy if we could somehow pull off Oubre + JaMychael Green.

As for two-ways, we get to sign two more; the rules changed to allow teams to have three.  I'd be happy with Giles and Scrubb.

I think Davis and Winslow would be good. And scrubb and Giles with the two way.

Doesn’t sound like they are getting rid of Kornet which is unfortunate.

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #667 on: July 14, 2023, 10:02:47 AM »

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I don’t think he adds anyone else but a 2 way player. He will say he wants to keep options open for the trade deadline like he said last summer.

Problem is he made one move that really didn’t provide much of anything last deadline.

They need another 4 that is nba caliber. One that can score some off the bench.

Brodgan- when healthy a 20 ppg player. Has to get healthy and stay healthy

PP- shown flashes. Is he capable of running a team and consistently getting minutes?

Al/Rob- great bench pieces if they stay healthy

Brissett- limited offense. High energy, long might help defensively. Don’t expect a lot out of him on offense. I think he probably plays more than Hauser

Banton- towel waiver. If he’s in the rotation things are drastic.

Walsh- rookie. Plays in garbage time

Hauser- still waiting for the next step. Average defender that has one skill set and that is shooting the three. Not trusted by the coach as seen in the playoffs where Boston desperately needed shooting. I question if he is a regular rotation player. Needs to be like the guys the heat rolled out.

Kornet- waste of a roster spot.

That really leaves brogdan as the one guy off the bench that can score consistently. That’s scary.
I'd say fairly accurate assessment though I disagree on Kornet. However, regarding Brogdon you forgot to add that he's become a defensive turnstile. Your only other guard option after White is too short and gets attacked defensively by the opposition constantly in games that matter.  I just think this team as is has serious problems getting stops when they are needed.  And the head coach only adds to that problem.

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« Reply #668 on: July 14, 2023, 10:06:51 AM »

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I don’t think he adds anyone else but a 2 way player. He will say he wants to keep options open for the trade deadline like he said last summer.

Problem is he made one move that really didn’t provide much of anything last deadline.

They need another 4 that is nba caliber. One that can score some off the bench.

Brodgan- when healthy a 20 ppg player. Has to get healthy and stay healthy

PP- shown flashes. Is he capable of running a team and consistently getting minutes?

Al/Rob- great bench pieces if they stay healthy

Brissett- limited offense. High energy, long might help defensively. Don’t expect a lot out of him on offense. I think he probably plays more than Hauser

Banton- towel waiver. If he’s in the rotation things are drastic.

Walsh- rookie. Plays in garbage time

Hauser- still waiting for the next step. Average defender that has one skill set and that is shooting the three. Not trusted by the coach as seen in the playoffs where Boston desperately needed shooting. I question if he is a regular rotation player. Needs to be like the guys the heat rolled out.

Kornet- waste of a roster spot.

That really leaves brogdan as the one guy off the bench that can score consistently. That’s scary.
I'd say fairly accurate assessment though I disagree on Kornet. However, regarding Brogdon you forgot to add that he's become a defensive turnstile. Your only other guard option after White is too short and gets attacked defensively by the opposition constantly in games that matter.  I just think this team as is has serious problems getting stops when they are needed.  And the head coach only adds to that problem.

I think Brad is hoping Brissett helps in this department. But the Celtics took a step back defensively last season and it looks a bit worse this season coming up.

I think defense around the rim will be better. But things might be ugly in space. Lots of wings that need to step up and prioritize defense next season.
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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #669 on: July 14, 2023, 11:01:19 AM »

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I don't think the team is as good as last year's at the moment. It has major holes and is going to continue to be the kind of team that aggravates C's fans. They'll get outworked - too often -- will get killed on 2nd chance opps and throw the ball away way too often.

I 'd like to challenge this assertion about being as good as last year.  Porzingas easy makes up for the loss of Grant and Smart on paper in terms of production in many areas. Certianly, not in assists but he can shoot and score and rim protect.  Kristaps should  help immensely wth Rim Protection and stop those second chance points and opps.

I think our depth is worse, as you say, but the off season is not over.    I hope we do more .

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« Reply #670 on: July 14, 2023, 11:16:50 AM »

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I don't think the team is as good as last year's at the moment. It has major holes and is going to continue to be the kind of team that aggravates C's fans. They'll get outworked - too often -- will get killed on 2nd chance opps and throw the ball away way too often.

I 'd like to challenge this assertion about being as good as last year.  Porzingas easy makes up for the loss of Grant and Smart on paper in terms of production in many areas. Certianly, not in assists but he can shoot and score and rim protect.  Kristaps should  help immensely wth Rim Protection and stop those second chance points and opps.

I think our depth is worse, as you say, but the off season is not over.    I hope we do more .

Depth helps you win in the regular season. In the playoffs talent generally wins. 

on paper, given health our top 3 this year is better than our top 3 last year.

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« Reply #671 on: July 14, 2023, 11:18:00 AM »

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I don’t think he adds anyone else but a 2 way player. He will say he wants to keep options open for the trade deadline like he said last summer.

Problem is he made one move that really didn’t provide much of anything last deadline.

They need another 4 that is nba caliber. One that can score some off the bench.

Brodgan- when healthy a 20 ppg player. Has to get healthy and stay healthy

PP- shown flashes. Is he capable of running a team and consistently getting minutes?

Al/Rob- great bench pieces if they stay healthy

Brissett- limited offense. High energy, long might help defensively. Don’t expect a lot out of him on offense. I think he probably plays more than Hauser

Banton- towel waiver. If he’s in the rotation things are drastic.

Walsh- rookie. Plays in garbage time

Hauser- still waiting for the next step. Average defender that has one skill set and that is shooting the three. Not trusted by the coach as seen in the playoffs where Boston desperately needed shooting. I question if he is a regular rotation player. Needs to be like the guys the heat rolled out.

Kornet- waste of a roster spot.

That really leaves brogdan as the one guy off the bench that can score consistently. That’s scary.
I'd say fairly accurate assessment though I disagree on Kornet. However, regarding Brogdon you forgot to add that he's become a defensive turnstile. Your only other guard option after White is too short and gets attacked defensively by the opposition constantly in games that matter.  I just think this team as is has serious problems getting stops when they are needed.  And the head coach only adds to that problem.

You said above you think the team is worse, I don't see this.  I think the starting 5 is much better, assuming White - Brown - Tatum - Porzingis - Williams.  That unit is plenty good defensively also.  Losing Smart hurts our back court defense obviously, but White and Brown can match up with any backcourt in the league.  Getting back to starting 2 bigs again helps the defense and helps overall.  We will always have someone big who can "protect the rim".  We did not have that last season.  And Porzingis gives us way more variety on offense as compared to Smart.

I think what you are reacting to is the perceived loss of bench depth.  Our bench last year was Brogdon, Grant, Hauser, and when he was available, RWill mostly came off the bench.  Kornet played 800 or so minutes also but I think that won't be needed with RWill not coming off an injury.

This year, the only real change is Grant is out, replaced with Brissett and maybe Walsh plays some non-garbage time minutes.  Griffin and Muscala really didn't play that much.  Right now, Kornet will more or less replace them.

Grant was a solid bench player and is a loss.  I completely agree with that.  But he was at best our 8th man and he can be replaced.  I foresee our principal bench as Brogdon, Horford (Williams/Porzingis starting), Hauser, Brissett, Pritchard.  Our "deep" bench as Walsh, Danton, Kornet, and probably someone other than Champagnie.  I don't see that as a problem.

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« Reply #672 on: July 14, 2023, 11:21:11 AM »

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Theres really only 4 changes to our rotation if you break it down vs. last year:

Smart to White - its debateable whether smart at this point is better than White. I think at times last year smart was the lesser of the 3 talent wise of him/brogdon/white

Horford to Porzingis - I think this is an upgrade talent wise

White to Pritchard - this is a downgrade. but Pritchard I think is ready for an increased role

Grant to Horford - this is an upgrade as Horford is more talented.

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« Reply #673 on: July 14, 2023, 11:45:41 AM »

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Theres really only 4 changes to our rotation if you break it down vs. last year:

Smart to White - its debateable whether smart at this point is better than White. I think at times last year smart was the lesser of the 3 talent wise of him/brogdon/white

Horford to Porzingis - I think this is an upgrade talent wise

White to Pritchard - this is a downgrade. but Pritchard I think is ready for an increased role

Grant to Horford - this is an upgrade as Horford is more talented.

Interesting way to look at it and a fair point. I still don't think we are done either.

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« Reply #674 on: July 14, 2023, 12:05:39 PM »

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Theres really only 4 changes to our rotation if you break it down vs. last year:

Smart to White - its debateable whether smart at this point is better than White. I think at times last year smart was the lesser of the 3 talent wise of him/brogdon/white

Horford to Porzingis - I think this is an upgrade talent wise

White to Pritchard - this is a downgrade. but Pritchard I think is ready for an increased role

Grant to Horford - this is an upgrade as Horford is more talented.

Interesting way to look at it and a fair point. I still don't think we are done either.
Also, please remember that Grant was a DNP and a reduced part of the lineup for a significant portion of the year.  I am not professing that it will work out this way, but it seems to be, based on what we hear from Brad and on what we are seeing in Summer League, that Walsh can take on the Grant role to some extent.