Heat (0-0) at Celtics (0-0) ECF Game #1 5/17/23

[celticinorlando]

MIami literally does nothing fancy. They are just going to let the Celtics implode and steal wins

They dont beat themselves.  We do.

Our coach sucks.  Theirs is the best in the league.

They hustle for 48 minutes.  We don't.

And this pretty much sums it all up

[Dchuck]

Look mom, I made it!

After 16 years on this board, I finally got to 50 Tommy points.

[celticinorlando]

What did grant do to get buried on the bench? He can help. Same with Hauser. They need their shooting

[jambr380]

Look mom, I made it!

After 16 years on this board, I finally got to 50 Tommy points.

That was me. You said something interesting that I thought was deserving 

Edit: it was the 'what does Joe actually do then' post a couple pages back

[mef730]

Look mom, I made it!

After 16 years on this board, I finally got to 50 Tommy points.

I’ll give you #51. Somebody should have a good night.

[jpotter33]

Seriously?

Joe Mazzulla: "We won three of the fourth quarters. We lost one quarter because of our sense of urgency. ... We have to raise our level of urgency and our mindset."

Please god tell me that quote is fake!

Lost our sense of urgency in the third quarter, yet he literally doesn't call a timeout to help his guys refocus and regain the urgency.

It's like talking to a toddler. A demanding toddler who is so sure that they're right that they won't listen to anything anyone has to say.

[Dchuck]

Look mom, I made it!

After 16 years on this board, I finally got to 50 Tommy points.

That was me. You said something interesting that I thought was deserving 

Edit: it was the 'what does Joe actually do then' post a couple pages back

Thanks dude! 

Unfortunately, we still suck.

[hpantazo]

What did grant do to get buried on the bench? He can help. Same with Hauser. They need their shooting

He probably beat Mazzulla in arm wrestling one night and embarrassed him.

[Mahk E Mahk]

Lo and behold, our star is out of rhythm

Kind of happens when you freeze him out and stop going to him after a masterful first half. Another coaching failure that he can't even recognize. Already getting coached circles around.

Ya I'm sorry can we not do this? Tatum just dropped 51 points like 4 days ago, now we have to pretend he's so mentally weak that him not getting the for a couple minutes caused hium to turn it over 3 times in like 60 seconds?

Nope. He made some mistakes. His fault, not the coaches.

It was the coaches fault that he didn't play an acceptable amount. The coach sucks

he played >41 minutes, more than any other celtic.

And he should have played more. Butler played more. There were critical moments when he should have been inserted (and fed) and wasn't. Conversely, Brown played too much. White did not play nearly enough

joe deserves the blame for plenty but JT’s playing time is not one of them.

should joe have called more timeouts and told the team to get JT the ball? certainly, but we don’t know if that happened or not. if tatum wants to be the man, he has to demand the ball and take charge in crunch time. he did a lot of standing around in the fourth quarter (another disappearing act), and then turned it over a lot when he did get the ball. that’s tatum’s fault, not joe’s.

your constant defense of tatum is unfounded and tiresome.

[Celtic_Pride777]

Lo and behold, our star is out of rhythm

Kind of happens when you freeze him out and stop going to him after a masterful first half. Another coaching failure that he can't even recognize. Already getting coached circles around.

Ya I'm sorry can we not do this? Tatum just dropped 51 points like 4 days ago, now we have to pretend he's so mentally weak that him not getting the for a couple minutes caused hium to turn it over 3 times in like 60 seconds?

Nope. He made some mistakes. His fault, not the coaches.

Who is calling him mentally weak? This is EVERY player. You can't just go from consistently getting the ball in the first half and getting in a rhythm, to barely getting any action and then expect to pick up right where you left off.

This has nothign to do with Tatum as a player. Every player is going to be like that, because it's about rhythm. That's on the coach to recognize this and make the appropriate adjustments, which of course does not happen with our kindergarten level coach.

I'm sorry, but no. I disagree with this entire sentiment. It was literally like a week ago where he missed almost literally every shot he took for 44 minutes then hit 4 threes to win game 6. He didn't need some great "rythm" then. he made plays. tonight was the opposite, great for 44 then nothing down the stretch. It happens.

A player sucking is on the player. Mazzula didn't force Tatum to throw the ball to Buitler, jump without a plan, or drag his pivot foot.

First off, your argument isn't valid and doesn't follow from the premises. Shooting and missing is NOT the same thing as not shooting at all. The old basketball adage is that "shooters shoot" and they'll eventually shoot themselves back into a rhythm. You simply can't do that if you're not getting the shots in teh first place, as it takes away your entire rhythm. And this is not even considering that we've seen all year long that everything runs through Tatum and we go as he goes. Icing him for most of the second half is absolutely a major mental mistake by both the team but especially the coach who is supposed to recognize that and adjust accordingly.

Mazzula has his problems but this is one Mazzula tried to fix by calling a timeout and getting Tatum involved and first thing Tatum does is throw the ball to Butler.

So agree to disagree I guess.

You want to criticize Mazzula ask why the hell he's playing Payton Pritchard in the ECF.

This team has the most collective talent in the league.  2 All NBA players, the most depth (though we don't use it), former DPOY...everything we need.

They lack discipline, poise, accountability, heart, consistent effort, lack of urgency....

This is something Joe has to instill but doesn't.

You're forgetting we have Brogdon, who won the Sixth Man of the Year, and White, who is on the All-Defensive second team.

The Heat have seven undrafted players on the roster. Outside Bam and Jimmy, they're basically a G-league team.

[mef730]

Lo and behold, our star is out of rhythm

Kind of happens when you freeze him out and stop going to him after a masterful first half. Another coaching failure that he can't even recognize. Already getting coached circles around.

Ya I'm sorry can we not do this? Tatum just dropped 51 points like 4 days ago, now we have to pretend he's so mentally weak that him not getting the for a couple minutes caused hium to turn it over 3 times in like 60 seconds?

Nope. He made some mistakes. His fault, not the coaches.

Who is calling him mentally weak? This is EVERY player. You can't just go from consistently getting the ball in the first half and getting in a rhythm, to barely getting any action and then expect to pick up right where you left off.

This has nothign to do with Tatum as a player. Every player is going to be like that, because it's about rhythm. That's on the coach to recognize this and make the appropriate adjustments, which of course does not happen with our kindergarten level coach.

I'm sorry, but no. I disagree with this entire sentiment. It was literally like a week ago where he missed almost literally every shot he took for 44 minutes then hit 4 threes to win game 6. He didn't need some great "rythm" then. he made plays. tonight was the opposite, great for 44 then nothing down the stretch. It happens.

A player sucking is on the player. Mazzula didn't force Tatum to throw the ball to Buitler, jump without a plan, or drag his pivot foot.

First off, your argument isn't valid and doesn't follow from the premises. Shooting and missing is NOT the same thing as not shooting at all. The old basketball adage is that "shooters shoot" and they'll eventually shoot themselves back into a rhythm. You simply can't do that if you're not getting the shots in teh first place, as it takes away your entire rhythm. And this is not even considering that we've seen all year long that everything runs through Tatum and we go as he goes. Icing him for most of the second half is absolutely a major mental mistake by both the team but especially the coach who is supposed to recognize that and adjust accordingly.

Mazzula has his problems but this is one Mazzula tried to fix by calling a timeout and getting Tatum involved and first thing Tatum does is throw the ball to Butler.

So agree to disagree I guess.

You want to criticize Mazzula ask why the hell he's playing Payton Pritchard in the ECF.

This team has the most collective talent in the league.  2 All NBA players, the most depth (though we don't use it), former DPOY...everything we need.

They lack discipline, poise, accountability, heart, consistent effort, lack of urgency....

This is something Joe has to instill but doesn't.

You're forgetting we have the Brodgon, who won the Sixth Man of the Year, and White, who is on the All-Defensive second team.

The Heat have seven undrafted players on the roster. We're losing to a G-league team.

This G-League team knocked off Milwaukee in 5. Clearly picked up some undrafted players who were worth it.

[celticinorlando]

Game turned with the Celtics up 12 with a chance to go up 15 in the third and brown turned it over. From there it was all downhill.

Brown was playing hero ball all game and when he does that it usually ends poorly for Boston

[gouki88]

Lo and behold, our star is out of rhythm

Kind of happens when you freeze him out and stop going to him after a masterful first half. Another coaching failure that he can't even recognize. Already getting coached circles around.

Ya I'm sorry can we not do this? Tatum just dropped 51 points like 4 days ago, now we have to pretend he's so mentally weak that him not getting the for a couple minutes caused hium to turn it over 3 times in like 60 seconds?

Nope. He made some mistakes. His fault, not the coaches.

It was the coaches fault that he didn't play an acceptable amount. The coach sucks

he played >41 minutes, more than any other celtic.

And he should have played more. Butler played more. There were critical moments when he should have been inserted (and fed) and wasn't. Conversely, Brown played too much. White did not play nearly enough

joe deserves the blame for plenty but JT’s playing time is not one of them.

should joe have called more timeouts and told the team to get JT the ball? certainly, but we don’t know if that happened or not. if tatum wants to be the man, he has to demand the ball and take charge in crunch time. he did a lot of standing around in the fourth quarter (another disappearing act), and then turned it over a lot when he did get the ball. that’s tatum’s fault, not joe’s.

your constant defense of tatum is unfounded and tiresome.

I criticised him several times in this thread alone. But continue getting grumpy at made up scenarios

[Phantom255x]

Tatum had 0 points in the 4th

That can’t happen

[86MaxwellSmart]

Game turned with the Celtics up 12 with a chance to go up 15 in the third and brown turned it over. From there it was all downhill.

Brown was playing hero ball all game and when he does that it usually ends poorly for Boston

YUP