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Offline SparzWizard

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Joe is the best coach the Celtics have had in decades. I'm not worried.

Off night for Tatum and Brown and Joker and Murray were red hot. 2 point losses happen to good teams.

That's a reach lol. Better than the 70s and 80s coaches? Ime was the better coach these guys have had. Joe should be thankful of Tatum, Brown, and Porzingis for carrying him.

He really wasn’t, though. C’s were extremely lucky to get by Miami in the postseason and they got embarrassed in the Finals. Udoka was basically out coached every round after the first series. Look at what Ime is doing in Houston right now. Rockets are 2 games under .500 with one of the worst offenses in the league. Defense is good, not great. Just inside the top 10.
This is ridiculous. So what if the C's were extremely lucky to get by Miami? They still did. You could say Joe was extremely lucky the C's got to game 7 of the ECF against Miami and then got embarrassed and eliminated short of the Finals.

Yeah. And the Celtics were the #2 seed and Miami was the #1 seed during Ime's run. And then there was last year, Celtics were the #2 seed and Miami was the #8 seed. How in the world do you let the 8 seed go up 3-0 on you. I think Joe was the one who was thoroughly outcoached.


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If I were DW/KP/JH, what whould I feel seeing Tatum firing blanks on those final shots this season?

Would I be OK? Mad? Indifference?

I believe that they feel ready to assume the great responsibility of taking those shots. But seeing Joe stubbornly choosing Tatum, although the result indicates otherwise, I'm afraid will erode those players' confidence in Joe a little bit.

This is another aspect that Joe must consider.

PS: I exclude JB because of his FT issue.

I'd feel a little left out because I'm also a guy who can create his own shot and take that last shot too. I'm KP I can score inside and also help grab the offensive glass if it misses and try to get it in again. I'm DW and JH, I can dribble the ball to the hoop and also options to take the jumper.

But no, Average Joe wants Tatum and only Tatum to take the last shot. Draws up a Tatum ISO and shoots a backboard shot or airball or a hard brick.


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In terms of late shots in general, I'm surprised that we don't run plays for KP from the FT line and in. 


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Joe is the best coach the Celtics have had in decades. I'm not worried.

Off night for Tatum and Brown and Joker and Murray were red hot. 2 point losses happen to good teams.

That's a reach lol. Better than the 70s and 80s coaches? Ime was the better coach these guys have had. Joe should be thankful of Tatum, Brown, and Porzingis for carrying him.

He really wasn’t, though. C’s were extremely lucky to get by Miami in the postseason and they got embarrassed in the Finals. Udoka was basically out coached every round after the first series. Look at what Ime is doing in Houston right now. Rockets are 2 games under .500 with one of the worst offenses in the league. Defense is good, not great. Just inside the top 10.

 ;D you have to do some real mental gymnastics to come up with this take. This is a whole new level of Joe apologism, even for you Goldy.

The coach who took a substantially worse roster to game 6 of the NBA Finals against a GSW dynasty and beat a BETTER Miami Heat team in the ECF is somehow worse than the much less experienced coach who couldn't take a much more talented roster to the Finals and went down 0-3 and eventually lost to a worse version of that same Miami Heat team? Come on, man.

And then you seriously try to compare Ime in Houston this year to Joe in Boston, without mentioning the "slight" talent discrepancy each is working with - you know, the fact that Joe has access to at least five of the top six players on either team? That's such a bad faith argument, man.
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I’m fairly certain we’ve all agreed on the problems with narrowly judging a coach by a team’s single-season or -series record earlier in the thread.

It would probably be good to remember that these problems cut both ways.

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Great post NG, I think you captured more or less how I feel about the team as well.
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Tonite's loss to a Denver team, which was also struggling from the 3-point line, is exactly the issue that CS critics of Joe are trying to point out to his apologists - it's great when the team is cruising thru stretches of regular season success (and not totally insignificant). But I am viewing this team thru the perspective of how what we are seeing now is going to succeed or not succeed in the playoffs, which is a completely different animal. There is new reason for hope this season due to personnel additions/subtractions which have produced obvious improvements in performance. But there are still repetitive nagging problems that can - and do - lead to losses in the more significant games.

You might point out some quality wins this year, which I gladly applaud. Problem is most of our quality wins are a result of red-hot shooting which cannot be sustained (by any team) throughout a long playoff season, which has the added dimension of opposing coaches having multiple games and additional time to adjust defensive schemes to attack our offensive strengths.

Then what are we left with ? Joe and his awful 3-point iso offense and another playoff exit for our very talented, very one-dimensional team.

Been trying to say that, not as well as you did here.

I've said this a couple times, but there were a couple instances al gave up a layup and passed for a 3 that we missed. If he scores instead we probably win. The mentality of this team is broken. As soon as they get pressure on defense at the 3, they just lose composure. Why is Joe not having guys cut when that happens?

I say this in all seriousness, I don't think he knows any other offensive scheme besides chucking 3's.

This team has way too much talent to be reliant on it as much as they are. We're over the cap and if they don't win it all its a massive fail. Imo it would be one of the biggest chokes in all of sports.

Yes, there is a group of us here that have all been trying to say this.
But we are dismissed as negative fans who cannot be pleased.
We can be pleased quite easily, by seeing this team play the right way led by a knowledgeable coach who adapts and plays to his team's strengths.
I can't quite fathom that a coach who has reached this level of his profession simply not having the requisite basketball knowledge to identify and then make adjustments to obvious failing schemes. What is going thru the guy's head during games like last nite ? The worst part to me is watching another prime season of the league's most storied franchise possibly end with the team going home empty-handed yet again.

But I think everyone sees your point. It’s just that it would be a better point if the team wasn’t 32-10 and 20-1 at home.  Of course all of us are concerned about losing another prime Jays season. I certainly am. But they are playing regular season ball right now because that’s what this is. And they are playing better regular season ball than anyone else in the league. Of course there are concerns - I haven’t heard anyone here say that the 3-point focus feels good. But it’s working pretty well in terms of the most important regular season statistic.  Joe seems better to me overall than last year and he’s growing. Maybe fast enough, maybe not. Team has bounced back all season (a positive sign that I couldn’t say was true last regular season), we’ll see how they do in the next two weeks.

There we go again with the regular season success. As I said, it's great that they have the best record and have shown improvement from last season. A group as talented as this year's Celtics can win a lot of games in spite of an incompetent coach.

But it is the same nagging problems - late game execution, one-dimensional offense dependent on hot shooting to beat the better teams, timeout and game management issues, bad lineup combos at important segments of games, failure to make better use of Porzingis, on and on are coaching deficiencies that will cost us in the playoffs where these specific problems are exposed and exploited to a much higher degree than during the regular season. The Denver game was more characteristic of an important playoff game and all the above issues contributed to the loss.

The concern here is the playoffs, the playoffs, the playoffs !!!!
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Tonite's loss to a Denver team, which was also struggling from the 3-point line, is exactly the issue that CS critics of Joe are trying to point out to his apologists - it's great when the team is cruising thru stretches of regular season success (and not totally insignificant). But I am viewing this team thru the perspective of how what we are seeing now is going to succeed or not succeed in the playoffs, which is a completely different animal. There is new reason for hope this season due to personnel additions/subtractions which have produced obvious improvements in performance. But there are still repetitive nagging problems that can - and do - lead to losses in the more significant games.

You might point out some quality wins this year, which I gladly applaud. Problem is most of our quality wins are a result of red-hot shooting which cannot be sustained (by any team) throughout a long playoff season, which has the added dimension of opposing coaches having multiple games and additional time to adjust defensive schemes to attack our offensive strengths.

Then what are we left with ? Joe and his awful 3-point iso offense and another playoff exit for our very talented, very one-dimensional team.

Been trying to say that, not as well as you did here.

I've said this a couple times, but there were a couple instances al gave up a layup and passed for a 3 that we missed. If he scores instead we probably win. The mentality of this team is broken. As soon as they get pressure on defense at the 3, they just lose composure. Why is Joe not having guys cut when that happens?

I say this in all seriousness, I don't think he knows any other offensive scheme besides chucking 3's.

This team has way too much talent to be reliant on it as much as they are. We're over the cap and if they don't win it all its a massive fail. Imo it would be one of the biggest chokes in all of sports.

Yes, there is a group of us here that have all been trying to say this.
But we are dismissed as negative fans who cannot be pleased.
We can be pleased quite easily, by seeing this team play the right way led by a knowledgeable coach who adapts and plays to his team's strengths.
I can't quite fathom that a coach who has reached this level of his profession simply not having the requisite basketball knowledge to identify and then make adjustments to obvious failing schemes. What is going thru the guy's head during games like last nite ? The worst part to me is watching another prime season of the league's most storied franchise possibly end with the team going home empty-handed yet again.

But I think everyone sees your point. It’s just that it would be a better point if the team wasn’t 32-10 and 20-1 at home.  Of course all of us are concerned about losing another prime Jays season. I certainly am. But they are playing regular season ball right now because that’s what this is. And they are playing better regular season ball than anyone else in the league. Of course there are concerns - I haven’t heard anyone here say that the 3-point focus feels good. But it’s working pretty well in terms of the most important regular season statistic.  Joe seems better to me overall than last year and he’s growing. Maybe fast enough, maybe not. Team has bounced back all season (a positive sign that I couldn’t say was true last regular season), we’ll see how they do in the next two weeks.

There we go again with the regular season success. As I said, it's great that they have the best record and have shown improvement from last season. A group as talented as this year's Celtics can win a lot of games in spite of an incompetent coach.

But it is the same nagging problems - late game execution, one-dimensional offense dependent on hot shooting to beat the better teams, timeout and game management issues, bad lineup combos at important segments of games, failure to make better use of Porzingis, on and on are coaching deficiencies that will cost us in the playoffs where these specific problems are exposed and exploited to a much higher degree than during the regular season. The Denver game was more characteristic of an important playoff game and all the above issues contributed to the loss.

The concern here is the playoffs, the playoffs, the playoffs !!!!

I’d be more inclined to say that the returns are mixed. Cs have defeated playoff teams/rivals numerous times this year including a recent OT win v. the top team in the West.  After blowing their game in GS they ripped off impressive wins v. Sac, LAL, and LAC.  I just think your pessimism is overstated. There are concerning moments when I get thoughts about the Cs looking like they haven’t solved their problems of the last few years, and then there are times I see them responding in ways I feel like I never saw last season (2nd half).  But the bottom line is that you can’t play playoffs until the playoffs.  They are in the regular season now and they are doing quite well compared to every single other team in the league.

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Joe is the best coach the Celtics have had in decades. I'm not worried.

Off night for Tatum and Brown and Joker and Murray were red hot. 2 point losses happen to good teams.

That's a reach lol. Better than the 70s and 80s coaches? Ime was the better coach these guys have had. Joe should be thankful of Tatum, Brown, and Porzingis for carrying him.

He really wasn’t, though. C’s were extremely lucky to get by Miami in the postseason and they got embarrassed in the Finals. Udoka was basically out coached every round after the first series. Look at what Ime is doing in Houston right now. Rockets are 2 games under .500 with one of the worst offenses in the league. Defense is good, not great. Just inside the top 10.
This is ridiculous. So what if the C's were extremely lucky to get by Miami? They still did. You could say Joe was extremely lucky the C's got to game 7 of the ECF against Miami and then got embarrassed and eliminated short of the Finals.

Yeah. And the Celtics were the #2 seed and Miami was the #1 seed during Ime's run. And then there was last year, Celtics were the #2 seed and Miami was the #8 seed. How in the world do you let the 8 seed go up 3-0 on you. I think Joe was the one who was thoroughly outcoached.

Can we stop pretending that last year's Heat was a bad team? They beat the top two seeds in us and Milwaukee, referring to them as just "the 8 seed" is ridiculous.

Especially given how much of the discussion here is about how being a good regular season team/coach doesn't necessarily carry over to the playoffs, that cuts both ways. Jimmy Butler lives for the playoffs.
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Joe is the best coach the Celtics have had in decades. I'm not worried.

Off night for Tatum and Brown and Joker and Murray were red hot. 2 point losses happen to good teams.

That's a reach lol. Better than the 70s and 80s coaches? Ime was the better coach these guys have had. Joe should be thankful of Tatum, Brown, and Porzingis for carrying him.

He really wasn’t, though. C’s were extremely lucky to get by Miami in the postseason and they got embarrassed in the Finals. Udoka was basically out coached every round after the first series. Look at what Ime is doing in Houston right now. Rockets are 2 games under .500 with one of the worst offenses in the league. Defense is good, not great. Just inside the top 10.
This is ridiculous. So what if the C's were extremely lucky to get by Miami? They still did. You could say Joe was extremely lucky the C's got to game 7 of the ECF against Miami and then got embarrassed and eliminated short of the Finals.

Yeah. And the Celtics were the #2 seed and Miami was the #1 seed during Ime's run. And then there was last year, Celtics were the #2 seed and Miami was the #8 seed. How in the world do you let the 8 seed go up 3-0 on you. I think Joe was the one who was thoroughly outcoached.

Can we stop pretending that last year's Heat was a bad team? They beat the top two seeds in us and Milwaukee, referring to them as just "the 8 seed" is ridiculous.

Especially given how much of the discussion here is about how being a good regular season team/coach doesn't necessarily carry over to the playoffs, that cuts both ways. Jimmy Butler lives for the playoffs.

Exactly. The heat were largely the same team when they were the 8 seed as they were when they were the 1 seed, they just happened to be playing there best ball in the playoffs as opposed to the regular season last year.

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Tonite's loss to a Denver team, which was also struggling from the 3-point line, is exactly the issue that CS critics of Joe are trying to point out to his apologists - it's great when the team is cruising thru stretches of regular season success (and not totally insignificant). But I am viewing this team thru the perspective of how what we are seeing now is going to succeed or not succeed in the playoffs, which is a completely different animal. There is new reason for hope this season due to personnel additions/subtractions which have produced obvious improvements in performance. But there are still repetitive nagging problems that can - and do - lead to losses in the more significant games.

You might point out some quality wins this year, which I gladly applaud. Problem is most of our quality wins are a result of red-hot shooting which cannot be sustained (by any team) throughout a long playoff season, which has the added dimension of opposing coaches having multiple games and additional time to adjust defensive schemes to attack our offensive strengths.

Then what are we left with ? Joe and his awful 3-point iso offense and another playoff exit for our very talented, very one-dimensional team.

Been trying to say that, not as well as you did here.

I've said this a couple times, but there were a couple instances al gave up a layup and passed for a 3 that we missed. If he scores instead we probably win. The mentality of this team is broken. As soon as they get pressure on defense at the 3, they just lose composure. Why is Joe not having guys cut when that happens?

I say this in all seriousness, I don't think he knows any other offensive scheme besides chucking 3's.

This team has way too much talent to be reliant on it as much as they are. We're over the cap and if they don't win it all its a massive fail. Imo it would be one of the biggest chokes in all of sports.

Yes, there is a group of us here that have all been trying to say this.
But we are dismissed as negative fans who cannot be pleased.
We can be pleased quite easily, by seeing this team play the right way led by a knowledgeable coach who adapts and plays to his team's strengths.
I can't quite fathom that a coach who has reached this level of his profession simply not having the requisite basketball knowledge to identify and then make adjustments to obvious failing schemes. What is going thru the guy's head during games like last nite ? The worst part to me is watching another prime season of the league's most storied franchise possibly end with the team going home empty-handed yet again.

But I think everyone sees your point. It’s just that it would be a better point if the team wasn’t 32-10 and 20-1 at home.  Of course all of us are concerned about losing another prime Jays season. I certainly am. But they are playing regular season ball right now because that’s what this is. And they are playing better regular season ball than anyone else in the league. Of course there are concerns - I haven’t heard anyone here say that the 3-point focus feels good. But it’s working pretty well in terms of the most important regular season statistic.  Joe seems better to me overall than last year and he’s growing. Maybe fast enough, maybe not. Team has bounced back all season (a positive sign that I couldn’t say was true last regular season), we’ll see how they do in the next two weeks.

There we go again with the regular season success. As I said, it's great that they have the best record and have shown improvement from last season. A group as talented as this year's Celtics can win a lot of games in spite of an incompetent coach.

But it is the same nagging problems - late game execution, one-dimensional offense dependent on hot shooting to beat the better teams, timeout and game management issues, bad lineup combos at important segments of games, failure to make better use of Porzingis, on and on are coaching deficiencies that will cost us in the playoffs where these specific problems are exposed and exploited to a much higher degree than during the regular season. The Denver game was more characteristic of an important playoff game and all the above issues contributed to the loss.
The concern here is the playoffs, the playoffs, the playoffs !!!!


NG’s response is more to the overall point, but I just wanted to say that you are frustrated people are focusing on the current regular season when it’s the future playoffs you are worried about. You then go on to use a current regular season game to try and prove your point.

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Tonite's loss to a Denver team, which was also struggling from the 3-point line, is exactly the issue that CS critics of Joe are trying to point out to his apologists - it's great when the team is cruising thru stretches of regular season success (and not totally insignificant). But I am viewing this team thru the perspective of how what we are seeing now is going to succeed or not succeed in the playoffs, which is a completely different animal. There is new reason for hope this season due to personnel additions/subtractions which have produced obvious improvements in performance. But there are still repetitive nagging problems that can - and do - lead to losses in the more significant games.

You might point out some quality wins this year, which I gladly applaud. Problem is most of our quality wins are a result of red-hot shooting which cannot be sustained (by any team) throughout a long playoff season, which has the added dimension of opposing coaches having multiple games and additional time to adjust defensive schemes to attack our offensive strengths.

Then what are we left with ? Joe and his awful 3-point iso offense and another playoff exit for our very talented, very one-dimensional team.

Been trying to say that, not as well as you did here.

I've said this a couple times, but there were a couple instances al gave up a layup and passed for a 3 that we missed. If he scores instead we probably win. The mentality of this team is broken. As soon as they get pressure on defense at the 3, they just lose composure. Why is Joe not having guys cut when that happens?

I say this in all seriousness, I don't think he knows any other offensive scheme besides chucking 3's.

This team has way too much talent to be reliant on it as much as they are. We're over the cap and if they don't win it all its a massive fail. Imo it would be one of the biggest chokes in all of sports.

Yes, there is a group of us here that have all been trying to say this.
But we are dismissed as negative fans who cannot be pleased.
We can be pleased quite easily, by seeing this team play the right way led by a knowledgeable coach who adapts and plays to his team's strengths.
I can't quite fathom that a coach who has reached this level of his profession simply not having the requisite basketball knowledge to identify and then make adjustments to obvious failing schemes. What is going thru the guy's head during games like last nite ? The worst part to me is watching another prime season of the league's most storied franchise possibly end with the team going home empty-handed yet again.

But I think everyone sees your point. It’s just that it would be a better point if the team wasn’t 32-10 and 20-1 at home.  Of course all of us are concerned about losing another prime Jays season. I certainly am. But they are playing regular season ball right now because that’s what this is. And they are playing better regular season ball than anyone else in the league. Of course there are concerns - I haven’t heard anyone here say that the 3-point focus feels good. But it’s working pretty well in terms of the most important regular season statistic.  Joe seems better to me overall than last year and he’s growing. Maybe fast enough, maybe not. Team has bounced back all season (a positive sign that I couldn’t say was true last regular season), we’ll see how they do in the next two weeks.

There we go again with the regular season success. As I said, it's great that they have the best record and have shown improvement from last season. A group as talented as this year's Celtics can win a lot of games in spite of an incompetent coach.

But it is the same nagging problems - late game execution, one-dimensional offense dependent on hot shooting to beat the better teams, timeout and game management issues, bad lineup combos at important segments of games, failure to make better use of Porzingis, on and on are coaching deficiencies that will cost us in the playoffs where these specific problems are exposed and exploited to a much higher degree than during the regular season. The Denver game was more characteristic of an important playoff game and all the above issues contributed to the loss.
The concern here is the playoffs, the playoffs, the playoffs !!!!


NG’s response is more to the overall point, but I just wanted to say that you are frustrated people are focusing on the current regular season when it’s the future playoffs you are worried about. You then go on to use a current regular season game to try and prove your point.

The point still stands. This thread (accurately renamed) is where thought goes to die.

I'd love to see a post that accurately breaks down his mistakes. It doesn't exist, and people are merely regurgitating anxious feelings after team losses.
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I'd love to see a post that accurately breaks down his mistakes. It doesn't exist, and people are merely regurgitating anxious feelings after team losses.

Any chance that you'll never agree that pointing out a mistake is accurate?  Has there ever been a criticism that you have deemed valid?

What would you say his weaknesses are?


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“They have two Joe Mazzullas,” Perkins said (h/t MassLive). “They have the one that got the philosophy of we’re going to get up more 3s than you. When they hit them, he looks great. Then you have the other Joe Mazzulla, who just stands over there, and you wonder. If you take his brain out and you put it in a bird, the bird is going to start flying backwards. You got that Joe Mazzulla.

“You know why I say that? It’s because he doesn’t get his guys easy looks. Time and time again, we kept saying, attack the paint. You have so many guys that are great at cutting. They cannot continue to play AAU style basketball all the time. You gotta have sets.”


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Tonite's loss to a Denver team, which was also struggling from the 3-point line, is exactly the issue that CS critics of Joe are trying to point out to his apologists - it's great when the team is cruising thru stretches of regular season success (and not totally insignificant). But I am viewing this team thru the perspective of how what we are seeing now is going to succeed or not succeed in the playoffs, which is a completely different animal. There is new reason for hope this season due to personnel additions/subtractions which have produced obvious improvements in performance. But there are still repetitive nagging problems that can - and do - lead to losses in the more significant games.

You might point out some quality wins this year, which I gladly applaud. Problem is most of our quality wins are a result of red-hot shooting which cannot be sustained (by any team) throughout a long playoff season, which has the added dimension of opposing coaches having multiple games and additional time to adjust defensive schemes to attack our offensive strengths.

Then what are we left with ? Joe and his awful 3-point iso offense and another playoff exit for our very talented, very one-dimensional team.

Been trying to say that, not as well as you did here.

I've said this a couple times, but there were a couple instances al gave up a layup and passed for a 3 that we missed. If he scores instead we probably win. The mentality of this team is broken. As soon as they get pressure on defense at the 3, they just lose composure. Why is Joe not having guys cut when that happens?

I say this in all seriousness, I don't think he knows any other offensive scheme besides chucking 3's.

This team has way too much talent to be reliant on it as much as they are. We're over the cap and if they don't win it all its a massive fail. Imo it would be one of the biggest chokes in all of sports.

Yes, there is a group of us here that have all been trying to say this.
But we are dismissed as negative fans who cannot be pleased.
We can be pleased quite easily, by seeing this team play the right way led by a knowledgeable coach who adapts and plays to his team's strengths.
I can't quite fathom that a coach who has reached this level of his profession simply not having the requisite basketball knowledge to identify and then make adjustments to obvious failing schemes. What is going thru the guy's head during games like last nite ? The worst part to me is watching another prime season of the league's most storied franchise possibly end with the team going home empty-handed yet again.

But I think everyone sees your point. It’s just that it would be a better point if the team wasn’t 32-10 and 20-1 at home.  Of course all of us are concerned about losing another prime Jays season. I certainly am. But they are playing regular season ball right now because that’s what this is. And they are playing better regular season ball than anyone else in the league. Of course there are concerns - I haven’t heard anyone here say that the 3-point focus feels good. But it’s working pretty well in terms of the most important regular season statistic.  Joe seems better to me overall than last year and he’s growing. Maybe fast enough, maybe not. Team has bounced back all season (a positive sign that I couldn’t say was true last regular season), we’ll see how they do in the next two weeks.

There we go again with the regular season success. As I said, it's great that they have the best record and have shown improvement from last season. A group as talented as this year's Celtics can win a lot of games in spite of an incompetent coach.

But it is the same nagging problems - late game execution, one-dimensional offense dependent on hot shooting to beat the better teams, timeout and game management issues, bad lineup combos at important segments of games, failure to make better use of Porzingis, on and on are coaching deficiencies that will cost us in the playoffs where these specific problems are exposed and exploited to a much higher degree than during the regular season. The Denver game was more characteristic of an important playoff game and all the above issues contributed to the loss.
The concern here is the playoffs, the playoffs, the playoffs !!!!


NG’s response is more to the overall point, but I just wanted to say that you are frustrated people are focusing on the current regular season when it’s the future playoffs you are worried about. You then go on to use a current regular season game to try and prove your point.

The point still stands. This thread (accurately renamed) is where thought goes to die.

I'd love to see a post that accurately breaks down his mistakes. It doesn't exist, and people are merely regurgitating anxious feelings after team losses.

"But it is the same nagging problems - late game execution, one-dimensional offense dependent on hot shooting to beat the better teams, timeout and game management issues, bad lineup combos at important segments of games, failure to make better use of Porzingis, on and on are coaching deficiencies that will cost us in the playoffs where these specific problems are exposed and exploited to a much higher degree than during the regular season. "

How much more accurate and detailed do you want ? If you are asking for an even more specific example of breaking down Joe's mistakes, see my comment* regarding lineup decisions in the Denver game thread. How many times do I need to point out exactly what problems I see now that will later translate to playoff game losses ? I'm hardly alone in talking about these specific issues that are examples of Joe's incompetency as a coach.

"Murray was red hot because for some inexplicable reason, Joe opened the 4th quarter with a terrible lineup that didn't have the necessary quick, switchable perimeter defenders with enough length to defend him. Kornet is too slow and Pritchard too small to effectively contest Murray's shots."
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“They have two Joe Mazzullas,” Perkins said (h/t MassLive). “They have the one that got the philosophy of we’re going to get up more 3s than you. When they hit them, he looks great. Then you have the other Joe Mazzulla, who just stands over there, and you wonder. If you take his brain out and you put it in a bird, the bird is going to start flying backwards. You got that Joe Mazzulla.

“You know why I say that? It’s because he doesn’t get his guys easy looks. Time and time again, we kept saying, attack the paint. You have so many guys that are great at cutting. They cannot continue to play AAU style basketball all the time. You gotta have sets.”
Keeping in mind that Kendrick '8 Step Travel' Perkins necessarily knows more about professional basketball than anyone posting on this forum, do we or should we hold the opinions of players beyond critique by nature of the fact that they used to be professionals? I'm not sure that's a position that holds up particularly well.


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I'd love to see a post that accurately breaks down his mistakes. It doesn't exist, and people are merely regurgitating anxious feelings after team losses.

Any chance that you'll never agree that pointing out a mistake is accurate?  Has there ever been a criticism that you have deemed valid?

What would you say his weaknesses are?
What was the game last season where he left, uh, Derrick White on the bench for the entire fourth or 10 minutes of the fourth or something? That was pretty egregious - but also plausibly blamed on the lack of assistants.
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