Fire Joe! ... or critique Joe ... or defend Joe... or worry about Joe's coaching

[gouki88]

“Joe’s real big on not bailing us out when we’re playing like ****.”
Marcus Smart on the third quarter timeout ⬇️
pic.twitter.com/ONRQJK78PO

Because, why would a coach bail his team out during the ECF?  It's all about teaching lessons!

I am sure they will all be grateful for the learning experience whilst they watch the Finals from home

[Roy H.]

Non-basketball things I've learned about Joe Mazzulla during the playoff run:

1.  He watches "The Town" four times per week;

2.  He sleeps with his mouth taped shut;

3.  He has his jiu jitsu instructor literally choke him, so he can better understand how to make decisions while under pressure.

[SparzWizard]

Non-basketball things I've learned about Joe Mazzulla during the playoff run:

1.  He watches "The Town" four times per week;

2.  He sleeps with his mouth taped shut;

3.  He has his jiu jitsu instructor literally choke him, so he can better understand how to make decisions while under pressure.

Sounds submissive. 😂

Maybe he gets choked too hard that his brain collapsed and can't think properly and is the reason why we lose games!

[Roy H.]

Non-basketball things I've learned about Joe Mazzulla during the playoff run:

1.  He watches "The Town" four times per week;

2.  He sleeps with his mouth taped shut;

3.  He has his jiu jitsu instructor literally choke him, so he can better understand how to make decisions while under pressure.

Sounds submissive. 😂

Maybe he gets choked too hard that his brain collapsed and can't think properly and is the reason why we lose games!

Anoxic brain injury?  Could be.

[Celtic_Pride777]

Does ownership have it in them to step in and fix this cluster after the season ends (badly).

This is as much on Brad as it is Joe. Joe is in way over his head, it is obvious.
They let the Ime thing drag on through the summer without being prepared to hire a replacement.
Then they throw this moron into the fire one week before training camp started.
What a disservice to a talented contender entering the prime years of it's core guys.
If there was ever an experienced, talented team that needed a firm hand and solid coaching, this group is it.
Lots of talent with some of the main guys dumber than a rock on the basketball court.

Ownership needs to have the sense of urgency their team so often lacks.
They are wasting the next Celtics championship group and it is very hard to watch.

Ownership bought into College Boy Brad philosophy. To be frank, I am done with Brad. He's been here for 10 years and it's just the same soft mentality attitude that comes outta here. We need guys who can kill on the court. Guys who play bully ball. Guys who throw elbows around and scream at other teammates to inspire them and fire them up.

Gosh if it's Lakers/Celtics Finals, Old Man LeBron and the Lakers gonna annihilate this team in 4 games.

+ a million on your brad take. He sucked as a coach and equally sucks as a gm.

This proud franchise is owned, managed, and coached by morons.

They do pretty well for morons then. How many ECF in the last 8 years? Any other teams with that kind of sustained success in the East?

Cute accomplishments for teams without a legacy. I'm sorry, I thought I was a fan of a franchise who hung banners, not participation trophies

ECFs are great, but when it gets to a point where you've had multiple ECF exits it becomes redundant and frustrating. The team needs more than just ECF. They need banners and championships!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

and the dumbness of this team has never been fixed. that falls on the coaches and management I refuse to believe our players  cannot be taught or fixed. bad trend. If not why do we still keep them? we need players with high BBIQ.

Jaylen Brown is one of the dumbest basketball players I have ever seen. Maybe a smart dude off the court but he has zero basketball IQ....or handles.

I don't know that Jaylen is dumb. I just think he is limited. He is not that good of a passer. He is not that good of a ball-handler.

His offense is ... one dimensional is not the right word but not well rounded ... He doesn't have the skill-set to exploit defenses in different ways. Only really through his scoring.

That Jaylen is limited skill-wise more than dumb.

In that case, is he worth giving a super-max contact?

[blink]

Non-basketball things I've learned about Joe Mazzulla during the playoff run:

1.  He watches "The Town" four times per week;

2.  He sleeps with his mouth taped shut;

3.  He has his jiu jitsu instructor literally choke him, so he can better understand how to make decisions while under pressure.

oh man, lol...you have to wonder if we might be better off without Joe at all?  just let the players coach themselves?

I mean, we don't get timeouts at critical points anyways, the players could call those themselves when they think they need it.  Joe doesn't make any adjustments (except putting Timelord back in the starting lineup) and it sounds like the team was probably internally lobbying for that already.  It would be interesting to see what an alternate universe looks like where there is no Joe and maybe Al as player/coach.  I am not sure we would be worse.

[Celtic_Pride777]

“Joe’s real big on not bailing us out when we’re playing like ****.”
Marcus Smart on the third quarter timeout ⬇️
pic.twitter.com/ONRQJK78PO

Because, why would a coach bail his team out during the ECF?  It's all about teaching lessons!

I know right? I rolled my eyes when I heard that.

[Kernewek]

Non-basketball things I've learned about Joe Mazzulla during the playoff run:

1.  He watches "The Town" four times per week;

2.  He sleeps with his mouth taped shut;

3.  He has his jiu jitsu instructor literally choke him, so he can better understand how to make decisions while under pressure.

oh man, lol...you have to wonder if we might be better off without Joe at all?  just let the players coach themselves?

I mean, we don't get timeouts at critical points anyways, the players could call those themselves when they think they need it.  Joe doesn't make any adjustments (except putting Timelord back in the starting lineup) and it sounds like the team was probably internally lobbying for that already.  It would be interesting to see what an alternate universe looks like where there is no Joe and maybe Al as player/coach.  I am not sure we would be worse.

If the coach calling timeouts "at critical points" has a meaningful effect on the game, can you explain why none of Doc Rivers's timeouts in Game 7 appeared to slow down the Celtics?

[Roy H.]

I wonder, does the content of Joe's quizlet account provide any further insights now that we've seen him coach for a year?

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=107453.msg3106050#msg3106050

https://pdfhost.io/v/lMHgMiGTc_Joe_Mazzulla_scouting_notes_from_Quizlet

[Roy H.]

Non-basketball things I've learned about Joe Mazzulla during the playoff run:

1.  He watches "The Town" four times per week;

2.  He sleeps with his mouth taped shut;

3.  He has his jiu jitsu instructor literally choke him, so he can better understand how to make decisions while under pressure.

oh man, lol...you have to wonder if we might be better off without Joe at all?  just let the players coach themselves?

I mean, we don't get timeouts at critical points anyways, the players could call those themselves when they think they need it.  Joe doesn't make any adjustments (except putting Timelord back in the starting lineup) and it sounds like the team was probably internally lobbying for that already.  It would be interesting to see what an alternate universe looks like where there is no Joe and maybe Al as player/coach.  I am not sure we would be worse.

If the coach calling timeouts "at critical points" has a meaningful effect on the game, can you explain why none of Doc Rivers's timeouts in Game 7 appeared to slow down the Celtics?

If calling timeouts at critical points doesn't have a meaningful effect on the game, why do almost all of the most successful coaches do it?

[liam]

Non-basketball things I've learned about Joe Mazzulla during the playoff run:

1.  He watches "The Town" four times per week;

2.  He sleeps with his mouth taped shut;

3.  He has his jiu jitsu instructor literally choke him, so he can better understand how to make decisions while under pressure.

oh man, lol...you have to wonder if we might be better off without Joe at all?  just let the players coach themselves?

I mean, we don't get timeouts at critical points anyways, the players could call those themselves when they think they need it.  Joe doesn't make any adjustments (except putting Timelord back in the starting lineup) and it sounds like the team was probably internally lobbying for that already.  It would be interesting to see what an alternate universe looks like where there is no Joe and maybe Al as player/coach.  I am not sure we would be worse.

If the coach calling timeouts "at critical points" has a meaningful effect on the game, can you explain why none of Doc Rivers's timeouts in Game 7 appeared to slow down the Celtics?

If calling timeouts at critical points doesn't have a meaningful effect on the game, why do almost all of the most successful coaches do it?

Sometimes they work and sometimes not. Sometimes I think they work just to give the plays a couple of minutes to redirect themselves. Joe hasn't looked like a good out of time out coach.

[Kernewek]

Non-basketball things I've learned about Joe Mazzulla during the playoff run:

1.  He watches "The Town" four times per week;

2.  He sleeps with his mouth taped shut;

3.  He has his jiu jitsu instructor literally choke him, so he can better understand how to make decisions while under pressure.

oh man, lol...you have to wonder if we might be better off without Joe at all?  just let the players coach themselves?

I mean, we don't get timeouts at critical points anyways, the players could call those themselves when they think they need it.  Joe doesn't make any adjustments (except putting Timelord back in the starting lineup) and it sounds like the team was probably internally lobbying for that already.  It would be interesting to see what an alternate universe looks like where there is no Joe and maybe Al as player/coach.  I am not sure we would be worse.

If the coach calling timeouts "at critical points" has a meaningful effect on the game, can you explain why none of Doc Rivers's timeouts in Game 7 appeared to slow down the Celtics?

If calling timeouts at critical points doesn't have a meaningful effect on the game, why do almost all of the most successful coaches do it?

If the Celtics won 16 of their 17 championships with a cigar smoking head coach and/or executive, why do Mazzulla and Stevens refuse to start smoking?

[Roy H.]

Non-basketball things I've learned about Joe Mazzulla during the playoff run:

1.  He watches "The Town" four times per week;

2.  He sleeps with his mouth taped shut;

3.  He has his jiu jitsu instructor literally choke him, so he can better understand how to make decisions while under pressure.

oh man, lol...you have to wonder if we might be better off without Joe at all?  just let the players coach themselves?

I mean, we don't get timeouts at critical points anyways, the players could call those themselves when they think they need it.  Joe doesn't make any adjustments (except putting Timelord back in the starting lineup) and it sounds like the team was probably internally lobbying for that already.  It would be interesting to see what an alternate universe looks like where there is no Joe and maybe Al as player/coach.  I am not sure we would be worse.

If the coach calling timeouts "at critical points" has a meaningful effect on the game, can you explain why none of Doc Rivers's timeouts in Game 7 appeared to slow down the Celtics?

If calling timeouts at critical points doesn't have a meaningful effect on the game, why do almost all of the most successful coaches do it?

If the Celtics won 16 of their 17 championships with a cigar smoking head coach and/or executive, why do Mazzulla and Stevens refuse to start smoking?

Does cigar smoking affect gameplay?  That's not even a clever quip... 

But, it's good to see that Joe is breaking free from the herd and is perfecting a technique that pretty much no successful basketball coach in the modern era has used consistently.  The "let's not call a single timeout during an opponent's 46 point quarter" strategy.

[Kernewek]

Non-basketball things I've learned about Joe Mazzulla during the playoff run:

1.  He watches "The Town" four times per week;

2.  He sleeps with his mouth taped shut;

3.  He has his jiu jitsu instructor literally choke him, so he can better understand how to make decisions while under pressure.

oh man, lol...you have to wonder if we might be better off without Joe at all?  just let the players coach themselves?

I mean, we don't get timeouts at critical points anyways, the players could call those themselves when they think they need it.  Joe doesn't make any adjustments (except putting Timelord back in the starting lineup) and it sounds like the team was probably internally lobbying for that already.  It would be interesting to see what an alternate universe looks like where there is no Joe and maybe Al as player/coach.  I am not sure we would be worse.

If the coach calling timeouts "at critical points" has a meaningful effect on the game, can you explain why none of Doc Rivers's timeouts in Game 7 appeared to slow down the Celtics?

If calling timeouts at critical points doesn't have a meaningful effect on the game, why do almost all of the most successful coaches do it?

If the Celtics won 16 of their 17 championships with a cigar smoking head coach and/or executive, why do Mazzulla and Stevens refuse to start smoking?

Does cigar smoking affect gameplay?  That's not even a clever quip... 

But, it's good to see that Joe is breaking free from the herd and is perfecting a technique that pretty much no successful basketball coach in the modern era has used consistently.  The "let's not call a single timeout during an opponent's 46 point quarter" strategy.

It doesn't have to be clever, because correlation isn't causation. Successful coaches and unsuccessful coaches alike call timeouts 'at critical points' to no avail, just like Doc in Game 7. Perhaps the most successful NBA coaches all lace their left shoe before their right - it has as much measurable bearing on the game as calling timeouts as described here (the nebulous 'critical points').

If timeouts reliably did something, the impact would be measurable. It isn't, because it doesn't.

[Roy H.]

If timeouts reliably did something, the impact would be measurable. It isn't, because it doesn't.

Link?  What's your proof that timeouts have little to no effect?  It's your claim, so back it up.

As liam said:  sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.  That's a lot different than a claim that it doesn't work at all.