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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #2295 on: May 14, 2023, 09:20:25 PM »

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I think the Lakers beat the Nuggets.  They've been the best team in basketball since the all star break, are an excellent defensive team, and have the 2nd and 3rd best players in the series with a very large gap to anyone else.  They have a lot of depth as well, so their lesser players don't have to be on every night for them to get the requisite points from the "others".  Jokic will be great, but I just don't trust Murray, Porter, Gordon, etc. to give him enough support for Denver to win 4 games.  I also think this will be a Vanderbilt and Hachimura series.  The Warriors were tiny and the Lakers didn't need to go with Vanderbilt and Hachimura as much (Walker and Schroder got a lot more run).  Against Denver, I'd expect to see them both a lot more minutes, maybe even more than they were used against Memphis (might even see Tristan Thompson get some burn to put a fresh body on Jokic).  That is why I really liked all the moves the Lakers made at the deadline, it just gave them so many more options to play match-ups in the playoffs, and Ham has done that really well so far. 

I don't think it really matters who comes out of the West though, just as last year when I believed the winner of the 2nd round series involving Boston was going to win the title (with the Bucks eliminated), I think that way again.  So I believe Boston will win the title dispatching Miami in 5 and then win the title in 6.  Hopefully I won't be wrong this year as I was last year.
Least surprising take I’ve seen in a while. Been a while since you’ve fawned over the Lakers, who will lose :)
All about match-ups.  I had them losing to Phoenix in this round before the playoffs started (correctly predicted a win over Memphis and Golden State).  I was totally wrong about Phoenix though.  But they don't have the depth of the Lakers, which is why I do still think the Lakers will win. I thought the combo of Durant/Booker would be too much for the Nuggets to keep pace with, but the Suns just got nothing from Ayton, Paul, etc. that it didn't matter what Booker and Durant did.  I don't think the Lakers "others" are going to do nothing all series long and that will be the difference.  Sure some games Russell won't show up, but they have Reaves or Hachimura or Vanderbilt, etc. 

And I wouldn't be surprised if Jokic was a 60/40/90 player averaging a 30 point triple double.  I just don't think Murray and company have enough.  I could be wrong.  It is a prediction after all, but analyzing the teams I just think the Lakers match-up well with the Nuggets.  They have a lot of size and play excellent defense.  And they have about 6 different people that could score 20 on any given night.
That is very generous, whilst very harsh on Denver’s supporting cast (who are just better)
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #2296 on: May 14, 2023, 09:21:24 PM »

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I think the Lakers beat the Nuggets.  They've been the best team in basketball since the all star break, are an excellent defensive team, and have the 2nd and 3rd best players in the series with a very large gap to anyone else.  They have a lot of depth as well, so their lesser players don't have to be on every night for them to get the requisite points from the "others".  Jokic will be great, but I just don't trust Murray, Porter, Gordon, etc. to give him enough support for Denver to win 4 games.  I also think this will be a Vanderbilt and Hachimura series.  The Warriors were tiny and the Lakers didn't need to go with Vanderbilt and Hachimura as much (Walker and Schroder got a lot more run).  Against Denver, I'd expect to see them both a lot more minutes, maybe even more than they were used against Memphis (might even see Tristan Thompson get some burn to put a fresh body on Jokic).  That is why I really liked all the moves the Lakers made at the deadline, it just gave them so many more options to play match-ups in the playoffs, and Ham has done that really well so far. 

I don't think it really matters who comes out of the West though, just as last year when I believed the winner of the 2nd round series involving Boston was going to win the title (with the Bucks eliminated), I think that way again.  So I believe Boston will win the title dispatching Miami in 5 and then win the title in 6.  Hopefully I won't be wrong this year as I was last year.
Least surprising take I’ve seen in a while. Been a while since you’ve fawned over the Lakers, who will lose :)
All about match-ups.  I had them losing to Phoenix in this round before the playoffs started (correctly predicted a win over Memphis and Golden State).  I was totally wrong about Phoenix though.  But they don't have the depth of the Lakers, which is why I do still think the Lakers will win. I thought the combo of Durant/Booker would be too much for the Nuggets to keep pace with, but the Suns just got nothing from Ayton, Paul, etc. that it didn't matter what Booker and Durant did.  I don't think the Lakers "others" are going to do nothing all series long and that will be the difference.  Sure some games Russell won't show up, but they have Reaves or Hachimura or Vanderbilt, etc. 

And I wouldn't be surprised if Jokic was a 60/40/90 player averaging a 30 point triple double.  I just don't think Murray and company have enough.  I could be wrong.  It is a prediction after all, but analyzing the teams I just think the Lakers match-up well with the Nuggets.  They have a lot of size and play excellent defense.  And they have about 6 different people that could score 20 on any given night.

 I see no shame in acknowledging that the Lakers when LeBron and Davis are healthy, you are a very good team.  The team has not been doing it all season long, though like Denver has.  I see it as an intriguing series.

Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #2297 on: May 14, 2023, 09:28:39 PM »

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Lol Nuggets fans are feasting today on social media. They are so mad Embiid won MVP over Jokic
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #2298 on: May 14, 2023, 09:33:57 PM »

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Joel postgame: "Me and James, we can't win alone."

Yikes. What a take.

Great to see the MVP throwing his teammates under the bus after him and his sidekick played like crap in game 7.

Yeah, I don't know why he needs to do that.  He was reasonable in his end of series press conf.  What add crap like that?
Man Al Horford is the man for yet again coming up with the goods against Embiid.  Embiid was getting ANYTHING he wanted earlier in the series.  He even admitted that the move to put Timelord on the court with Al more made it a lot harder on him.

Embiid is super talented, he showed he could dominate against us, I am still unsure why he didn't get the ball more and have more shots in game 7?  I guess Doc wasn't very good with adjustments in the 2nd half.  You are only down 3 at half time, you would think the MVP could have had a bigger impact on the game.  Not saying he is a fraud, but it was the biggest stage and Embiid and Harden just sucked.  I don't know how you come back from that.

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« Reply #2299 on: May 14, 2023, 09:34:55 PM »

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Lol Nuggets fans are feasting today on social media. They are so mad Embiid won MVP over Jokic

Well Jokic gets another chance to prove their point against the Lakers.  Lets see how well Jokic handles the pressure.
I hope they beat the Lakers, but I am not convinced.

Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #2300 on: May 14, 2023, 10:05:10 PM »

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Lol Nuggets fans are feasting today on social media. They are so mad Embiid won MVP over Jokic

I prefer Jokic, but in fairness, 1) Embiid was hurting and 2) Embiid made a huge defensive impact.


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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #2301 on: May 14, 2023, 10:12:06 PM »

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Joel postgame: "Me and James, we can't win alone."

Yikes. What a take.

Great to see the MVP throwing his teammates under the bus after him and his sidekick played like crap in game 7.

Totally weird.

I know everyone raved about their roster construction overhaul. But they didn't really do much.

They needed Joe Ingles, not PJ Tucker...
They needed to trade Tobias.
They needed to trade Shake Milton.
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #2302 on: May 14, 2023, 10:41:14 PM »

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Joel postgame: "Me and James, we can't win alone."

Yikes. What a take.

Great to see the MVP throwing his teammates under the bus after him and his sidekick played like crap in game 7.

Totally weird.

I know everyone raved about their roster construction overhaul. But they didn't really do much.

They needed Joe Ingles, not PJ Tucker...
They needed to trade Tobias.
They needed to trade Shake Milton.
Does anyone trade for Harris?
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #2303 on: May 14, 2023, 10:44:10 PM »

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Lol Nuggets fans are feasting today on social media. They are so mad Embiid won MVP over Jokic

I prefer Jokic, but in fairness, 1) Embiid was hurting and 2) Embiid made a huge defensive impact.

Yeah I also thought Embiid was MVP
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #2304 on: May 14, 2023, 10:44:36 PM »

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I think the Lakers beat the Nuggets.  They've been the best team in basketball since the all star break, are an excellent defensive team, and have the 2nd and 3rd best players in the series with a very large gap to anyone else.  They have a lot of depth as well, so their lesser players don't have to be on every night for them to get the requisite points from the "others".  Jokic will be great, but I just don't trust Murray, Porter, Gordon, etc. to give him enough support for Denver to win 4 games.  I also think this will be a Vanderbilt and Hachimura series.  The Warriors were tiny and the Lakers didn't need to go with Vanderbilt and Hachimura as much (Walker and Schroder got a lot more run).  Against Denver, I'd expect to see them both a lot more minutes, maybe even more than they were used against Memphis (might even see Tristan Thompson get some burn to put a fresh body on Jokic).  That is why I really liked all the moves the Lakers made at the deadline, it just gave them so many more options to play match-ups in the playoffs, and Ham has done that really well so far. 

I don't think it really matters who comes out of the West though, just as last year when I believed the winner of the 2nd round series involving Boston was going to win the title (with the Bucks eliminated), I think that way again.  So I believe Boston will win the title dispatching Miami in 5 and then win the title in 6.  Hopefully I won't be wrong this year as I was last year.
Least surprising take I’ve seen in a while. Been a while since you’ve fawned over the Lakers, who will lose :)
All about match-ups.  I had them losing to Phoenix in this round before the playoffs started (correctly predicted a win over Memphis and Golden State).  I was totally wrong about Phoenix though.  But they don't have the depth of the Lakers, which is why I do still think the Lakers will win. I thought the combo of Durant/Booker would be too much for the Nuggets to keep pace with, but the Suns just got nothing from Ayton, Paul, etc. that it didn't matter what Booker and Durant did.  I don't think the Lakers "others" are going to do nothing all series long and that will be the difference.  Sure some games Russell won't show up, but they have Reaves or Hachimura or Vanderbilt, etc. 

And I wouldn't be surprised if Jokic was a 60/40/90 player averaging a 30 point triple double.  I just don't think Murray and company have enough.  I could be wrong.  It is a prediction after all, but analyzing the teams I just think the Lakers match-up well with the Nuggets.  They have a lot of size and play excellent defense.  And they have about 6 different people that could score 20 on any given night.
That is very generous, whilst very harsh on Denver’s supporting cast (who are just better)
Ranking the players in the series Jokic is 1st then Lebron and AD (in whatever order you prefer) followed by Murray who is way behind the other 3 though a good amount ahead of the next grouping.  I'd take Russell over Porter and Reaves over Gordon (especially offensively), but you could argue either way as those are a preference thing.  You then have KCP, Brown, Green, and Braun for Denver vs. Schroder, Hachimura, Vanderbilt, and Walker.  That pretty clearly favors the Lakers on the whole, though KCP is an excellent fit as that 5th starter for the Nuggets.  The deeper bench also pretty clearly favors the Lakers with guys like Beasley and Brown over Jackson and Jordan.

As for the 6, Lebron and AD are obvious as is Russell.  Reaves went for at least 20, 10 times this season (4 more in the playoffs), Schroder 11 times,  Hachimura 6 times (and 3 more in the playoffs).  That is 6 and doesn't even count Beasley who scored 20, 10 times in the regular season nor Walker who did it 8 times this season.  The Nuggets have 4 guys in Jokic, Murray, Porter, and Gordon.  The next 3 most likely KCP, Brown, and Green who collectively did it just 10 times combined this year.  The Lakers just have a different class of depth than the Nuggets do. 

If Denver wins it is because Jokic goes nuclear and Murray actually plays like a solid #2 basically ever game in the series.  Murray can't be his typical up and down.  He has to play consistently well all series long for Denver to have a shot because Lebron and AD are easily going to outpace Jokic collectively.  Murray has to keep it close among the top 2 for Denver to win.  I just don't think it is going to happen at least not 4 times.  Even if he does though, they need Porter or Gordon to keep pace with whomever is hot for the Lakers.  The Lakers just have more scoring options.  They have more guys they can lean on when the top tier guys are resting.  And the Lakers are an excellent defensive team.  They have good length and size to defend not just Jokic, but everyone else.  I'd be surprised if Jokic wasn't great, I just don't think the rest of his team is going to be good enough to beat the Lakers this year. 
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #2305 on: May 14, 2023, 10:46:47 PM »

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Joel postgame: "Me and James, we can't win alone."

Yikes. What a take.

Great to see the MVP throwing his teammates under the bus after him and his sidekick played like crap in game 7.

Totally weird.

I know everyone raved about their roster construction overhaul. But they didn't really do much.

They needed Joe Ingles, not PJ Tucker...
They needed to trade Tobias.
They needed to trade Shake Milton.
Does anyone trade for Harris?
Harris is a perfectly fine 4th option (which is what he is in Philly).  He is just paid like a 2nd option and that is the problem.  I think he only has 1 year left on his contract though, so I suspect they could trade him without much issue.  I don't think they can trade him and get a player better than he is though, so I don't see why they would do that.
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #2306 on: May 15, 2023, 12:49:09 AM »

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You then have KCP, Brown, Green, and Braun for Denver vs. Schroder, Hachimura, Vanderbilt, and Walker.  That pretty clearly favors the Lakers on the whole

Are KCP and Bruce Brown not the two best players?

I don't just have them as the top two among either group; I have them well ahead of LAL's guys.

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« Reply #2307 on: May 15, 2023, 12:53:38 AM »

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Joel postgame: "Me and James, we can't win alone."

Yikes. What a take.

Let's see...

Joel Embiid 15/8 in 33 minutes
James Harden 9/6 in 40 minutes.

Maybe Tyrese Maxey should be the captain of this team haha


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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #2308 on: May 15, 2023, 02:19:39 AM »

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You then have KCP, Brown, Green, and Braun for Denver vs. Schroder, Hachimura, Vanderbilt, and Walker.  That pretty clearly favors the Lakers on the whole

Are KCP and Bruce Brown not the two best players?

I don't just have them as the top two among either group; I have them well ahead of LAL's guys.
Agreed, KCP and Brown are firmly on the same level as Reaves with their excellent defence. As is Gordon.

Murray is also not up and down these playoffs. Just 4 games below 20 points, and has averaged 26 on really strong efficiency
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« Reply #2309 on: May 15, 2023, 02:50:22 AM »

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I think the Lakers beat the Nuggets.  They've been the best team in basketball since the all star break, are an excellent defensive team, and have the 2nd and 3rd best players in the series with a very large gap to anyone else.  They have a lot of depth as well, so their lesser players don't have to be on every night for them to get the requisite points from the "others".  Jokic will be great, but I just don't trust Murray, Porter, Gordon, etc. to give him enough support for Denver to win 4 games.  I also think this will be a Vanderbilt and Hachimura series.  The Warriors were tiny and the Lakers didn't need to go with Vanderbilt and Hachimura as much (Walker and Schroder got a lot more run).  Against Denver, I'd expect to see them both a lot more minutes, maybe even more than they were used against Memphis (might even see Tristan Thompson get some burn to put a fresh body on Jokic).  That is why I really liked all the moves the Lakers made at the deadline, it just gave them so many more options to play match-ups in the playoffs, and Ham has done that really well so far. 

I don't think it really matters who comes out of the West though, just as last year when I believed the winner of the 2nd round series involving Boston was going to win the title (with the Bucks eliminated), I think that way again.  So I believe Boston will win the title dispatching Miami in 5 and then win the title in 6.  Hopefully I won't be wrong this year as I was last year.
Least surprising take I’ve seen in a while. Been a while since you’ve fawned over the Lakers, who will lose :)
All about match-ups.  I had them losing to Phoenix in this round before the playoffs started (correctly predicted a win over Memphis and Golden State).  I was totally wrong about Phoenix though.  But they don't have the depth of the Lakers, which is why I do still think the Lakers will win. I thought the combo of Durant/Booker would be too much for the Nuggets to keep pace with, but the Suns just got nothing from Ayton, Paul, etc. that it didn't matter what Booker and Durant did.  I don't think the Lakers "others" are going to do nothing all series long and that will be the difference.  Sure some games Russell won't show up, but they have Reaves or Hachimura or Vanderbilt, etc. 

And I wouldn't be surprised if Jokic was a 60/40/90 player averaging a 30 point triple double.  I just don't think Murray and company have enough.  I could be wrong.  It is a prediction after all, but analyzing the teams I just think the Lakers match-up well with the Nuggets.  They have a lot of size and play excellent defense.  And they have about 6 different people that could score 20 on any given night.

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