Why haven't we signed a 15 man yet?

[Csfan1984]

So basically need a guy to push Hauser that is still okay with DNPs. Not a lot of buy out guys looking for a reduced roll.

I think offering $3.24 million, as opposed to the $500k other teams can offer, would go a long way toward compensating for that diminished role.

Depends on if an agent can still get his client a contact beyond this year. Sometimes signing as a buy-out player creates a stigma of value and hurts their next contract. Add in DNPs and it will be hard to get anything above the min on their next deal. That's why playing time matters.

[Roy H.]

So basically need a guy to push Hauser that is still okay with DNPs. Not a lot of buy out guys looking for a reduced roll.

I think offering $3.24 million, as opposed to the $500k other teams can offer, would go a long way toward compensating for that diminished role.

Depends on if an agent can still get his client a contact beyond this year. Sometimes signing as a buy-out player creates a stigma of value and hurts their next contract. Add in DNPs and it will be hard to get anything above the min on their next deal. That's why playing time matters.

I don’t think it really does.  Will playing 15 minutes per game for 20 games earn a player even an extra penny?  I doubt it.  Teams know what vet players can do, and 20 games as a deep bench player won’t change that one way or another.

Giving a guy 6x the salary another team could is a differentiating factor.  There have been zero reports that we’ve offered it, so it will be another asset (like the various TPEs) that we let expire.

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So basically need a guy to push Hauser that is still okay with DNPs. Not a lot of buy out guys looking for a reduced roll.

I think offering $3.24 million, as opposed to the $500k other teams can offer, would go a long way toward compensating for that diminished role.

Depends on if an agent can still get his client a contact beyond this year. Sometimes signing as a buy-out player creates a stigma of value and hurts their next contract. Add in DNPs and it will be hard to get anything above the min on their next deal. That's why playing time matters.

I don’t think it really does.  Will playing 15 minutes per game for 20 games earn a player even an extra penny?  I doubt it.  Teams know what vet players can do, and 20 games as a deep bench player won’t change that one way or another.

Giving a guy 6x the salary another team could is a differentiating factor.  There have been zero reports that we’ve offered it, so it will be another asset (like the various TPEs) that we let expire.

Yeah I am at least somewhat surprised (again) that we didn't use the DPE from Gallo.  Even if the player only contributes to reducing some starters minutes for the stretch run to the playoffs that might mean the difference in a game or two.  1 game might be the difference between the #1 seed and the #2 seed = a home game for game 7 vs the Bucks.

Seems silly not to take a shot on someone.  I mean cmon, we are one of the top contenders, you are telling me NO ONE wants to hop on to try and get a ring?

[Celtics2021]

So basically need a guy to push Hauser that is still okay with DNPs. Not a lot of buy out guys looking for a reduced roll.

I think offering $3.24 million, as opposed to the $500k other teams can offer, would go a long way toward compensating for that diminished role.

Depends on if an agent can still get his client a contact beyond this year. Sometimes signing as a buy-out player creates a stigma of value and hurts their next contract. Add in DNPs and it will be hard to get anything above the min on their next deal. That's why playing time matters.

I don’t think it really does.  Will playing 15 minutes per game for 20 games earn a player even an extra penny?  I doubt it.  Teams know what vet players can do, and 20 games as a deep bench player won’t change that one way or another.

Giving a guy 6x the salary another team could is a differentiating factor.  There have been zero reports that we’ve offered it, so it will be another asset (like the various TPEs) that we let expire.

It wouldn’t be 6x the salary.  For starters, it’s around 6x the subsidized salary, not the unsubsidized salary.  Secondly, there is set-off.  From Larry Coon:

If another team signs a player who has cleared waivers, the player's original team is allowed to reduce the amount of money it still owes the player (and lower its team salary) by a commensurate amount. This is called the right of set-off. This is true if the player signs with any professional team -- it does not have to be an NBA team. The amount the original team gets to set off is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran during the season in which the player is waived (if the player is a rookie, then the rookie minimum is used instead).

In other words, a large portion of the DPE would go to the Wizards, and not Barton.  In the end, if we did offer Barton the full DPE, he’d be leaving about a million on the table relative what he’s getting from Toronto, not the roughly $2.5 million you suppose.  If he gets regular playing time in Toronto that he wouldn’t get here and does well with it, he could certainly earn back that million in free agency.

[celticsclay]

Am the only one that wouldn’t hate if got noel to replace kornet?

[Celtics2021]

Am the only one that wouldn’t hate if got noel to replace kornet?

I’d be happy with Noel because a) I’m curious, b) our bigs are fragile, and c) then we could stop bringing him up every year.

[Phantom255x]

There are other options and there's still time to sign guys. But I'm beginning to feel we'll just sign nobody

[celticsclay]

Am the only one that wouldn’t hate if got noel to replace kornet?

I’d be happy with Noel because a) I’m curious, b) our bigs are fragile, and c) then we could stop bringing him up every year.

Haha Tommy point well said.

[Birdman]

There’s a reason why Noel has played for like 5 different teams already

[Moranis]

Wyc is cheap.

[Roy H.]

Wyc is cheap.

It's funny, pretty much all season we've heard from fans and friendly media that the Celtics will be the #1 choice of a lot of buyout candidates, because of their championship aspirations and because they had a big chunk of money to throw at free agents. 

Now that appears that budgetary restraints are keeping the team from spending that money, it's "free agents care about role more than winning" and "money isn't that important". 

Even beyond the narrative, it's very surprising to me that the team hasn't noticed any holes since Vonleh's trade in January.  We've seen a 30-game slump by Hauser, Grant Williams at times playing very poorly, injuries to Smart and Brown, ongoing rest needs for Timelord, Horford and Tatum...  but there isn't a single free agent that wants to play here, even for 3x - 6x the salary every other team is offering?

Our 15th man will be Tony Snell, signed on the last day of the regular season, to keep our cap hit to around $50k or so.  And with that, one of the likely hidden goals of the season will be accomplished:  the payroll on the last day of the season will be lower than it was on the first day.

[Vermont Green]

Am the only one that wouldn’t hate if got noel to replace kornet?

I’d be happy with Noel because a) I’m curious, b) our bigs are fragile, and c) then we could stop bringing him up every year.

I am a lot less curious about Noel these days than I was in the past.  I don't think he is better than Kornet.  He may not even be better than Vonleh.  I am sure he will continue to come up but at least the grumbling about how we should have traded for him has quieted down.

I have defended Celtics management and feel they had a really good year overall but in this case, I think they need to get someone in for what is really the 14th spot (Gallinari is the 15th spot).  If money is the reason that they have not, then I feel that is a poor decision.  And get them in soon so they can get acclimated.  It takes time.

[Vermont Green]

Wyc is cheap.

It's funny, pretty much all season we've heard from fans and friendly media that the Celtics will be the #1 choice of a lot of buyout candidates, because of their championship aspirations and because they had a big chunk of money to throw at free agents. 

Now that appears that budgetary restraints are keeping the team from spending that money, it's "free agents care about role more than winning" and "money isn't that important". 

Even beyond the narrative, it's very surprising to me that the team hasn't noticed any holes since Vonleh's trade in January.  We've seen a 30-game slump by Hauser, Grant Williams at times playing very poorly, injuries to Smart and Brown, ongoing rest needs for Timelord, Horford and Tatum...  but there isn't a single free agent that wants to play here, even for 3x - 6x the salary every other team is offering?

Our 15th man will be Tony Snell, signed on the last day of the regular season, to keep our cap hit to around $50k or so.  And with that, one of the likely hidden goals of the season will be accomplished:  the payroll on the last day of the season will be lower than it was on the first day.

It seemed to me that the Celtics were waiting to see what Barton was going to do.  It is impossible to know if we were in on Barton but I believe we were.  Toronto is a better fit.  I even predicted he would go to Toronto.  And I am not disappointed really in missing out on any other buy outs.  Stanley Johnson is out there, I am intrigued by him, but in reality, he isn't really going to help us much if at all.

But if we wait until the last day of the season to sign Tony Snell, then I feel that is a short sighted move.  If they have decided now that Tony Snell is the guy, just get him on the team so he can start to learn and integrate. 

The only argument I can see is that they want him to continue playing in the G-League for as long as possible.  I don't know how it works if they sign him to the regular roster.  Can he still play if needed in Maine?  And when does their season end?  Would they just sign him once the G-League season is over?  That would be OK in my mind.  He is playing in the system but once that is done, bring him up.  Why pay him a NBA salary plus tax if the plan is to play him in the G-League for longer.

Keep in mind that the tax isn't just less money you have, it is more money to the competition.  The tax comes out of Wyc's pocket and goes into some other owner's pocket.  I totally get them not wanting to unnecessarily pay more tax.

[JSD]

If sports reporters in this town still did their job, they’d be asking Wyc the questions Roy H is bringing up

[liam]

What could we possibly be waiting for? Saving money is the only answer I can come up with.