Shams: Kyrie Traded to Mavs (Dinwiddie, DFS, #1)

[Moranis]

Dallas got significantly better if Kyrie shows up and is engaged.  Now, will Kyrie show up and be engaged, who knows.

[wdleehi]

Dallas got significantly better if Kyrie shows up and is engaged.  Now, will Kyrie show up and be engaged, who knows.

Well, we know he will.   The question is always when will the other part of the Kyrie package show up.

[RJ87]

All ya experts already predicting this would be a disaster for Dallas...I beg to dissagree.

KD and Kyrie thrived and infact were the best team in the east prior to KD goin down..i certainly see the same thing happening in Dallas.

Cuban has made a brilliant move imo and the only hitch really is if Kyrie goes back to being his other self...meaning the one that the Cs had.

The Js have doun alright with having the bulk of the scoring load...same is goin to happen in Dallas...Luka needs help and not just a Robin to his Batman but another co 1b to his 1a..
This also allows Doncic to play off ball at times and this will allow Dallas to offswt those early double teaming Doncic receives and it would be hard now to contain Doncic because there is Kyrie also to keep defenses honest.

Dallas went almost all the way last yr with Doncic by himself what more now with Kyrie...Irving just really need to be focused to basketball and nothing else and they are good.

This is a really surface level take.

There's two ends of the court. Dallas will likely be very good offensively, but they will be terrible defensively and that will be compounded by the fact that they just lost their best defensive player in this deal in DFS. Their front court is weak - and that's being generous. Dwight Powell and Maxi Kleiber aren't scaring scorers out of the paint. A trio of Irving/Doncic/Wood will put a bunch points on the board, but they won't stop anyone.

There's also the locker room issue. Kyrie has bailed on 3 winning teams now. What makes him happy? No one knows. It's undecipherable. Winning clearly isn't a factor. Is it money? Brooklyn gave him a max deal and he played in only 50% of games possible - and a ton of those missed games were missed due to self-inflicted drama. There's a stat on Twitter that shows he never played more than 12 games in a row during his entire Brooklyn stint. That's absurd. Giving him a max isn't going to make him accountable, it's only going to enable his behavior because he has financial security.

He's going to find a reason to miss games - whether it's skipping out for 2 weeks to celebrate his sister's birthday by partying during a global pandemic, refusing to get a shot, being an anti-semite, or because rioters storm the capitol - he will find a reason to be unhappy and not play. Dude's a malcontent who insists on being a leader and it consistently torpedoes championship caliber teams.

[hpantazo]

I wonder if the Mavs have any other moves lined up to bolster their defense and depth now that they got Kyrie.

[tonydelk]

All ya experts already predicting this would be a disaster for Dallas...I beg to dissagree.

KD and Kyrie thrived and infact were the best team in the east prior to KD goin down..i certainly see the same thing happening in Dallas.

Cuban has made a brilliant move imo and the only hitch really is if Kyrie goes back to being his other self...meaning the one that the Cs had.

The Js have doun alright with having the bulk of the scoring load...same is goin to happen in Dallas...Luka needs help and not just a Robin to his Batman but another co 1b to his 1a..
This also allows Doncic to play off ball at times and this will allow Dallas to offswt those early double teaming Doncic receives and it would be hard now to contain Doncic because there is Kyrie also to keep defenses honest.

Dallas went almost all the way last yr with Doncic by himself what more now with Kyrie...Irving just really need to be focused to basketball and nothing else and they are good.

This is a really surface level take.

There's two ends of the court. Dallas will likely be very good offensively, but they will be terrible defensively and that will be compounded by the fact that they just lost their best defensive player in this deal in DFS. Their front court is weak - and that's being generous. Dwight Powell and Maxi Kleiber aren't scaring scorers out of the paint. A trio of Irving/Doncic/Wood will put a bunch points on the board, but they won't stop anyone.

There's also the locker room issue. Kyrie has bailed on 3 winning teams now. What makes him happy? No one knows. It's undecipherable. Winning clearly isn't a factor. Is it money? Brooklyn gave him a max deal and he played in only 50% of games possible - and a ton of those missed games were missed due to self-inflicted drama. There's a stat on Twitter that shows he never played more than 12 games in a row during his entire Brooklyn stint. That's absurd. Giving him a max isn't going to make him accountable, it's only going to enable his behavior because he has financial security.

He's going to find a reason to miss games - whether it's skipping out for 2 weeks to celebrate his sister's birthday by partying during a global pandemic, refusing to get a shot, being an anti-semite, or because rioters storm the capitol - he will find a reason to be unhappy and not play. Dude's a malcontent who insists on being a leader and it consistently torpedoes championship caliber teams.

Two ball dominant guards fighting over touches.  I don't see this as a championship level team.  The west is wide open but Denver looks to be the best in the west and I don't see them on the same level as Denver after kyrie.

[gouki88]

All ya experts already predicting this would be a disaster for Dallas...I beg to dissagree.

KD and Kyrie thrived and infact were the best team in the east prior to KD goin down..i certainly see the same thing happening in Dallas.

Cuban has made a brilliant move imo and the only hitch really is if Kyrie goes back to being his other self...meaning the one that the Cs had.

The Js have doun alright with having the bulk of the scoring load...same is goin to happen in Dallas...Luka needs help and not just a Robin to his Batman but another co 1b to his 1a..
This also allows Doncic to play off ball at times and this will allow Dallas to offswt those early double teaming Doncic receives and it would be hard now to contain Doncic because there is Kyrie also to keep defenses honest.

Dallas went almost all the way last yr with Doncic by himself what more now with Kyrie...Irving just really need to be focused to basketball and nothing else and they are good.

KD and Kyrie played 54 games together (off the top of my head).

Trying to compare Kyrie and Luka to the Jays (both of whom are excellent defenders surrounded by a better supporting cast and a better coach) is just laughable

[RJ87]

All ya experts already predicting this would be a disaster for Dallas...I beg to dissagree.

KD and Kyrie thrived and infact were the best team in the east prior to KD goin down..i certainly see the same thing happening in Dallas.

Cuban has made a brilliant move imo and the only hitch really is if Kyrie goes back to being his other self...meaning the one that the Cs had.

The Js have doun alright with having the bulk of the scoring load...same is goin to happen in Dallas...Luka needs help and not just a Robin to his Batman but another co 1b to his 1a..
This also allows Doncic to play off ball at times and this will allow Dallas to offswt those early double teaming Doncic receives and it would be hard now to contain Doncic because there is Kyrie also to keep defenses honest.

Dallas went almost all the way last yr with Doncic by himself what more now with Kyrie...Irving just really need to be focused to basketball and nothing else and they are good.

This is a really surface level take.

There's two ends of the court. Dallas will likely be very good offensively, but they will be terrible defensively and that will be compounded by the fact that they just lost their best defensive player in this deal in DFS. Their front court is weak - and that's being generous. Dwight Powell and Maxi Kleiber aren't scaring scorers out of the paint. A trio of Irving/Doncic/Wood will put a bunch points on the board, but they won't stop anyone.

There's also the locker room issue. Kyrie has bailed on 3 winning teams now. What makes him happy? No one knows. It's undecipherable. Winning clearly isn't a factor. Is it money? Brooklyn gave him a max deal and he played in only 50% of games possible - and a ton of those missed games were missed due to self-inflicted drama. There's a stat on Twitter that shows he never played more than 12 games in a row during his entire Brooklyn stint. That's absurd. Giving him a max isn't going to make him accountable, it's only going to enable his behavior because he has financial security.

He's going to find a reason to miss games - whether it's skipping out for 2 weeks to celebrate his sister's birthday by partying during a global pandemic, refusing to get a shot, being an anti-semite, or because rioters storm the capitol - he will find a reason to be unhappy and not play. Dude's a malcontent who insists on being a leader and it consistently torpedoes championship caliber teams.

Two ball dominant guards fighting over touches.  I don't see this as a championship level team.  The west is wide open but Denver looks to be the best in the west and I don't see them on the same level as Denver after kyrie.

I actually think Kyrie and Doncic can be good together offensively. But that team has zero defensive infrastructure and it doesn't even have players capable of really trying. Dallas will have to pull some rabbits out of it's hat before the deadline to build a balanced team and they just don't have the resources.

I don't see them as a factor this season and by the time the offseason rolls around, Kyrie will have found some reason to cause chaos.

[Kernewek]

All ya experts already predicting this would be a disaster for Dallas...I beg to dissagree.

KD and Kyrie thrived and infact were the best team in the east prior to KD goin down..i certainly see the same thing happening in Dallas.

Cuban has made a brilliant move imo and the only hitch really is if Kyrie goes back to being his other self...meaning the one that the Cs had.

The Js have doun alright with having the bulk of the scoring load...same is goin to happen in Dallas...Luka needs help and not just a Robin to his Batman but another co 1b to his 1a..
This also allows Doncic to play off ball at times and this will allow Dallas to offswt those early double teaming Doncic receives and it would be hard now to contain Doncic because there is Kyrie also to keep defenses honest.

Dallas went almost all the way last yr with Doncic by himself what more now with Kyrie...Irving just really need to be focused to basketball and nothing else and they are good.

This is a really surface level take.

There's two ends of the court. Dallas will likely be very good offensively, but they will be terrible defensively and that will be compounded by the fact that they just lost their best defensive player in this deal in DFS. Their front court is weak - and that's being generous. Dwight Powell and Maxi Kleiber aren't scaring scorers out of the paint. A trio of Irving/Doncic/Wood will put a bunch points on the board, but they won't stop anyone.

There's also the locker room issue. Kyrie has bailed on 3 winning teams now. What makes him happy? No one knows. It's undecipherable. Winning clearly isn't a factor. Is it money? Brooklyn gave him a max deal and he played in only 50% of games possible - and a ton of those missed games were missed due to self-inflicted drama. There's a stat on Twitter that shows he never played more than 12 games in a row during his entire Brooklyn stint. That's absurd. Giving him a max isn't going to make him accountable, it's only going to enable his behavior because he has financial security.

He's going to find a reason to miss games - whether it's skipping out for 2 weeks to celebrate his sister's birthday by partying during a global pandemic, refusing to get a shot, being an anti-semite, or because rioters storm the capitol - he will find a reason to be unhappy and not play. Dude's a malcontent who insists on being a leader and it consistently torpedoes championship caliber teams.

11 games in a row, I believe.

But while I support anyone who can get four years of pay for two years of work on principle, I think you’re right on, and I’m excited to see what happens in Dallas.

[hpantazo]

"NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
·
5m
The Clippers offer for Kyrie Irving:

Luke Kennard
Terance Mann
one future first
two first-round pick swaps
Salary filler 

Brooklyn declined.

(Via
@KevinOConnorNBA
 https://theringer.com/nba/2023/2/5/23587064/kyrie-irving-trade-kevin-durant-rumors-brooklyn-nets…)"

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1622404713302876162


I don't know. I think having a future first plus two first round pick swaps was pretty good. I guess the Nets preferred Dinwiddie and Finney-Smith for a win now strategy.

[LilRip]

Anytime you get a superstar, your team generally upgrades. Talent wins in the league. And Kyrie, as much as I don’t like the guy, I must begrudgingly admit has superstar talent.

Dallas will be better this year until personality issues inevitably eat away at their team. Talent is useless if talent doesn’t see the floor (aka Kyrie sitting out) or if talent doesn’t apply itself (aka Kyrie quitting on his team)

[perks-a-beast]

Cant even express how much I hate this trade for Dallas; I think they regret this one by March.

[Moranis]

"NBACentral
@TheNBACentral
·
5m
The Clippers offer for Kyrie Irving:

Luke Kennard
Terance Mann
one future first
two first-round pick swaps
Salary filler 

Brooklyn declined.

(Via
@KevinOConnorNBA
 https://theringer.com/nba/2023/2/5/23587064/kyrie-irving-trade-kevin-durant-rumors-brooklyn-nets…)"

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1622404713302876162


I don't know. I think having a future first plus two first round pick swaps was pretty good. I guess the Nets preferred Dinwiddie and Finney-Smith for a win now strategy.

I'm guessing they had the buy in from KD, because yeah the potential of the swaps is nicer.  The Mavs pick is apparently in 2029, that is so far in the future it could be a really good pick or it could hot garbage.

[Ed Monix]

The Suns are ready to pursue Kevin Durant once the Nets made him available for trade.

Chris Haynes

[jpotter33]

Luka + Kyrie = LeBron + Kyrie 2.0

Minus the defensive capabilities of LeBron

Yeah, I don’t see this comparison at all. Beyond the defense, Lebron has never been as ball-dominant as Luka.

Don’t think people realize how much of a change this will be for Luka and Dallas. Kyrie won’t be happy playing any way like they’re used to with Luka having the ball 70% of the time.

[jpotter33]

All ya experts already predicting this would be a disaster for Dallas...I beg to dissagree.

KD and Kyrie thrived and infact were the best team in the east prior to KD goin down..i certainly see the same thing happening in Dallas.

Cuban has made a brilliant move imo and the only hitch really is if Kyrie goes back to being his other self...meaning the one that the Cs had.

The Js have doun alright with having the bulk of the scoring load...same is goin to happen in Dallas...Luka needs help and not just a Robin to his Batman but another co 1b to his 1a..
This also allows Doncic to play off ball at times and this will allow Dallas to offswt those early double teaming Doncic receives and it would be hard now to contain Doncic because there is Kyrie also to keep defenses honest.

Dallas went almost all the way last yr with Doncic by himself what more now with Kyrie...Irving just really need to be focused to basketball and nothing else and they are good.

🤥

Perhaps this was true in some alternate universe, but surely not this one.