Lakers (23-26) at Celtics (35-15) Game #51 1/28/23

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As a Jaylen Brown fan, I made the mistake of heading over to realgm and the JB hate over there is just off the charts.
Even after the game tonight....

[Somebody]

That went in, but another horrible iso possession. Yuck. What is wrong with this team?

What is wrong with this coach ?

If it wasn’t for coach, we’d be in first place!!! 

Part of the burden of the coach is that they never get credit for wins, but always get the blame for losses. If people think the game threads are negative now, with us in first place, let's all remember back to this time last year when some people quit the game threads because they couldn't handle the negativity, Just look back to some of the comments from this time last year about Ime:

"I love Perk’s frankness and insight. Anybody see Perk pre-game? He said Ime needs to be held accountable by Brad. Perk likened Ime to a parent who has lost control of his kids. “ You give them too much rope and they play with you all the time. He has to draw the line [with the players]. Uchoka is in way over his head."

"I can't do this anymore. I have seen them blow games all season long. This team is poorly constructed and they don't believe in each other.. Their body language shows it."

"A viable head coach might have a bigger impact!"

"The whole Tatum bringing up the ball was a disaster when Brad did it, it is still a disaster with Ime."

"Coach is certainly worse in my opinion. We’ve got a fairly substantial sample size to be able to say that with confidence. He just has no idea on the offensive side of things."

"They have decent talent. They just have a head coach who doesn’t know how to use that talent effectively, either short or long term, and he especially doesn’t have the coaching skills to get them to perform by holding them accountable."

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=107585.30

Now this isn't to criticize fans, but reality is fans have short memories and they are passionate about the game and take every loss personally. Losses can genuine ruin someone's day. When the team isn't playing well the coach becomes the easiest target. Even easier if he's a new kid who is younger than most of the people here, and is an NBA greenhorn. So when the team plays well it's because it's an experienced team with players that know what they are doing, when it doesn't the coach is doing a terrible job. That's just the curse of being a coach 

The light at the end of the tunnel is that, well, there's always another game around the corner, so any frustration over a loss should be short lived. And we can take heart from last year, that if the playoffs had started in January we wouldn't have made the playoffs, let alone the finals, the way we were playing. The same goes for this year. We need to be playing well in May and June, and they need to be learning from all these poor performances on the way.

I mean our previous coach had us playing .500 basketball for half a season while we have the best record in the league with our current one, it's not really comparable lol.

[hpantazo]

Let it not be lost in all the hype of the Lebron tantrum and great plays by the C's down the stretch that tonight, Mazzulla called several timeouts. Almost like a normal coach.

[tonydelk]

Now they won't stop talking about that missed call on that lebron layup.

As if the C's haven't been shafted by the refs when Lakers play us in the past

Had it been the reverse we’d be screaming from the rooftops - and Cs would have lost.  They’re screaming from the rooftops - and Cs won.  Much better for us.

I've watched the replay 20.times.  James took 3 steps.  Was a travel b4 the foul.  I mean blstent 3 steps. 

[Goldstar88]

That went in, but another horrible iso possession. Yuck. What is wrong with this team?

What is wrong with this coach ?

If it wasn’t for coach, we’d be in first place!!! 

Part of the burden of the coach is that they never get credit for wins, but always get the blame for losses. If people think the game threads are negative now, with us in first place, let's all remember back to this time last year when some people quit the game threads because they couldn't handle the negativity, Just look back to some of the comments from this time last year about Ime:

"I love Perk’s frankness and insight. Anybody see Perk pre-game? He said Ime needs to be held accountable by Brad. Perk likened Ime to a parent who has lost control of his kids. “ You give them too much rope and they play with you all the time. He has to draw the line [with the players]. Uchoka is in way over his head."

"I can't do this anymore. I have seen them blow games all season long. This team is poorly constructed and they don't believe in each other.. Their body language shows it."

"A viable head coach might have a bigger impact!"

"The whole Tatum bringing up the ball was a disaster when Brad did it, it is still a disaster with Ime."

"Coach is certainly worse in my opinion. We’ve got a fairly substantial sample size to be able to say that with confidence. He just has no idea on the offensive side of things."

"They have decent talent. They just have a head coach who doesn’t know how to use that talent effectively, either short or long term, and he especially doesn’t have the coaching skills to get them to perform by holding them accountable."

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=107585.30

Now this isn't to criticize fans, but reality is fans have short memories and they are passionate about the game and take every loss personally. Losses can genuine ruin someone's day. When the team isn't playing well the coach becomes the easiest target. Even easier if he's a new kid who is younger than most of the people here, and is an NBA greenhorn. So when the team plays well it's because it's an experienced team with players that know what they are doing, when it doesn't the coach is doing a terrible job. That's just the curse of being a coach 

The light at the end of the tunnel is that, well, there's always another game around the corner, so any frustration over a loss should be short lived. And we can take heart from last year, that if the playoffs had started in January we wouldn't have made the playoffs, let alone the finals, the way we were playing. The same goes for this year. We need to be playing well in May and June, and they need to be learning from all these poor performances on the way.

I mean our previous coach had us playing .500 basketball for half a season while we have the best record in the league with our current one, it's not really comparable lol.

Lies! The team would be better off with no coach! 

[jpotter33]

Now they won't stop talking about that missed call on that lebron layup.

As if the C's haven't been shafted by the refs when Lakers play us in the past

Had it been the reverse we’d be screaming from the rooftops - and Cs would have lost.  They’re screaming from the rooftops - and Cs won.  Much better for us.

I cant believe im actually gonna say this but im gonna give Faker fans a pass tonight because I know personally a literal game changing missed call wouldve sent me into a spiral LOL

Yeah, hard to blame them for being upset. Was a clear foul, though I’m not sure of the ref’s angle.

That said, they’ve also benefitted from some of those same questionable calls and non-calls this year (e.g. Kings game), too.

[jpotter33]

That went in, but another horrible iso possession. Yuck. What is wrong with this team?

What is wrong with this coach ?

If it wasn’t for coach, we’d be in first place!!! 

Part of the burden of the coach is that they never get credit for wins, but always get the blame for losses. If people think the game threads are negative now, with us in first place, let's all remember back to this time last year when some people quit the game threads because they couldn't handle the negativity, Just look back to some of the comments from this time last year about Ime:

"I love Perk’s frankness and insight. Anybody see Perk pre-game? He said Ime needs to be held accountable by Brad. Perk likened Ime to a parent who has lost control of his kids. “ You give them too much rope and they play with you all the time. He has to draw the line [with the players]. Uchoka is in way over his head."

"I can't do this anymore. I have seen them blow games all season long. This team is poorly constructed and they don't believe in each other.. Their body language shows it."

"A viable head coach might have a bigger impact!"

"The whole Tatum bringing up the ball was a disaster when Brad did it, it is still a disaster with Ime."

"Coach is certainly worse in my opinion. We’ve got a fairly substantial sample size to be able to say that with confidence. He just has no idea on the offensive side of things."

"They have decent talent. They just have a head coach who doesn’t know how to use that talent effectively, either short or long term, and he especially doesn’t have the coaching skills to get them to perform by holding them accountable."

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=107585.30

Now this isn't to criticize fans, but reality is fans have short memories and they are passionate about the game and take every loss personally. Losses can genuine ruin someone's day. When the team isn't playing well the coach becomes the easiest target. Even easier if he's a new kid who is younger than most of the people here, and is an NBA greenhorn. So when the team plays well it's because it's an experienced team with players that know what they are doing, when it doesn't the coach is doing a terrible job. That's just the curse of being a coach 

The light at the end of the tunnel is that, well, there's always another game around the corner, so any frustration over a loss should be short lived. And we can take heart from last year, that if the playoffs had started in January we wouldn't have made the playoffs, let alone the finals, the way we were playing. The same goes for this year. We need to be playing well in May and June, and they need to be learning from all these poor performances on the way.

I mean our previous coach had us playing .500 basketball for half a season while we have the best record in the league with our current one, it's not really comparable lol.

Lies! The team would be better off with no coach! 

Such a terrible argument lol it’s a strawman argument that’s comparing apples and oranges.

Ime took over a dysfunctional team and transformed them into a juggernaut. Joe is simply sustaining what was given to him on a silver platter, with even more talent than Ime had.

Also, Ime absolutely deserved a much longer leash coming in given his resume and significant more experience. Joe is not even a realistic candidate for a head coaching job elsewhere given his lack of experience if it wasn’t for Ime’s transgressions.

So, let’s get real. Any argument that doesn’t recognize those clear distinctions shouldn’t be taken seriously.

[liam]

That went in, but another horrible iso possession. Yuck. What is wrong with this team?

What is wrong with this coach ?

If it wasn’t for coach, we’d be in first place!!! 

Part of the burden of the coach is that they never get credit for wins, but always get the blame for losses. If people think the game threads are negative now, with us in first place, let's all remember back to this time last year when some people quit the game threads because they couldn't handle the negativity, Just look back to some of the comments from this time last year about Ime:

"I love Perk’s frankness and insight. Anybody see Perk pre-game? He said Ime needs to be held accountable by Brad. Perk likened Ime to a parent who has lost control of his kids. “ You give them too much rope and they play with you all the time. He has to draw the line [with the players]. Uchoka is in way over his head."

"I can't do this anymore. I have seen them blow games all season long. This team is poorly constructed and they don't believe in each other.. Their body language shows it."

"A viable head coach might have a bigger impact!"

"The whole Tatum bringing up the ball was a disaster when Brad did it, it is still a disaster with Ime."

"Coach is certainly worse in my opinion. We’ve got a fairly substantial sample size to be able to say that with confidence. He just has no idea on the offensive side of things."

"They have decent talent. They just have a head coach who doesn’t know how to use that talent effectively, either short or long term, and he especially doesn’t have the coaching skills to get them to perform by holding them accountable."

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=107585.30

Now this isn't to criticize fans, but reality is fans have short memories and they are passionate about the game and take every loss personally. Losses can genuine ruin someone's day. When the team isn't playing well the coach becomes the easiest target. Even easier if he's a new kid who is younger than most of the people here, and is an NBA greenhorn. So when the team plays well it's because it's an experienced team with players that know what they are doing, when it doesn't the coach is doing a terrible job. That's just the curse of being a coach 

The light at the end of the tunnel is that, well, there's always another game around the corner, so any frustration over a loss should be short lived. And we can take heart from last year, that if the playoffs had started in January we wouldn't have made the playoffs, let alone the finals, the way we were playing. The same goes for this year. We need to be playing well in May and June, and they need to be learning from all these poor performances on the way.

I mean our previous coach had us playing .500 basketball for half a season while we have the best record in the league with our current one, it's not really comparable lol.

Lies! The team would be better off with no coach! 

Such a terrible argument lol it’s a strawman argument that’s comparing apples and oranges.

Ime took over a dysfunctional team and transformed them into a juggernaut. Joe is simply sustaining what was given to him on a silver platter, with even more talent than Ime had.

Also, Ime absolutely deserved a much longer leash coming in given his resume and significant more experience. Joe is not even a realistic candidate for a head coaching job elsewhere given his lack of experience if it wasn’t for Ime’s transgressions.

So, let’s get real. Any argument that doesn’t recognize those clear distinctions shouldn’t be taken seriously.

Which coach do you think coaches the All-Star game first?

[SparzWizard]

Now they won't stop talking about that missed call on that lebron layup.

As if the C's haven't been shafted by the refs when Lakers play us in the past

Had it been the reverse we’d be screaming from the rooftops - and Cs would have lost.  They’re screaming from the rooftops - and Cs won.  Much better for us.

I cant believe im actually gonna say this but im gonna give Faker fans a pass tonight because I know personally a literal game changing missed call wouldve sent me into a spiral LOL

Yeah, hard to blame them for being upset. Was a clear foul, though I’m not sure of the ref’s angle.

That said, they’ve also benefitted from some of those same questionable calls and non-calls this year (e.g. Kings game), too.

It's hilarious. Laker fans are like "Celtics are 36-2 when that ref officiates Celtics games. Clearly he helps them win" 

[86MaxwellSmart]

1: LeBron clearly fouled---but The Cs never get a call like this so I'm okay
2: Credit to Brown for hitting his FT to send game into OT
3: Once again Credit to Brown for ATTACKING the basket in OT, instead of letting JT dribble the air out of the [dang] ball.
4: How does LeBron get away with his antics, when in previous games,Tatum claps his hands once on a no call and gets T'd up??

[tenn_smoothie]

That went in, but another horrible iso possession. Yuck. What is wrong with this team?

What is wrong with this coach ?

If it wasn’t for coach, we’d be in first place!!! 

These criticisms are not about pulling out an ugly win tonite or about padding our record after a fast start to the season, they are about how this team, as currently comprised and as currently playing and as currently being coached, will do in the playoffs and will that be good enough to win the title. That's all that matters to me.

[tenn_smoothie]

"The whole Tatum bringing up the ball was a disaster when Brad did it, it is still a disaster with Ime."

"Coach is certainly worse in my opinion. We’ve got a fairly substantial sample size to be able to say that with confidence. He just has no idea on the offensive side of things."

"They have decent talent. They just have a head coach who doesn’t know how to use that talent effectively"

Actually, much of Perk's opinion remained true to the end, Ime's lack of offensive creativity cost the team the title last year. The offense got so stagnant in the finals that the players many times had no option other than to go iso and penetrate or hope to hit a contested shot. His defensive coaching and, yes, accountability got us that far.

[CelticSooner]

C’s will get robbed in a game so what does it really matter? The outrage simply because the Lakers are involved is a joke. They are 23-27! If one game matters that much, your team already sucks.

[libermaniac]

Now they won't stop talking about that missed call on that lebron layup.

As if the C's haven't been shafted by the refs when Lakers play us in the past

Had it been the reverse we’d be screaming from the rooftops - and Cs would have lost.  They’re screaming from the rooftops - and Cs won.  Much better for us.

I've watched the replay 20.times.  James took 3 steps.  Was a travel b4 the foul.  I mean blstent 3 steps.

Wow. You are so right. I hadn’t picked it up. Just rewatched and you are right. TP.

[ozgod]

C’s will get robbed in a game so what does it really matter? The outrage simply because the Lakers are involved is a joke. They are 23-27! If one game matters that much, your team already sucks.

The more the outrage the better, I hope those lemons they're sucking on taste especially bitter