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Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2022, 05:01:07 PM »

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Locker room presence and team chemistry - I think are what is likely at play here.  Tristan I think messed things up as did Kyrie.  I believe Howard and Whiteside are difficult personalities to malcontents.  Favors I don't know much about.  We do know that Kornet is not disruptive and fits .  Bringing back Al and now solid guys like Brogdan and White is bringing good "karma". There probably was more talent than Blake available but they must have thought that his ego would work with this team and his role.  And judging by Blake pumping everybody up on the sidelines I like having him over Howard or Whiteside.

I mean I don't disagree but Kornet literally offers nothing on the court. So we signed him and kept him on the roster to be a cheerleader?
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Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2022, 05:18:24 PM »

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I mean I don't disagree but Kornet literally offers nothing on the court. So we signed him and kept him on the roster to be a cheerleader?

See, that's literally not the case, and it's what makes the hysterics over and end-of-the-bench guy tedious. He's 7'2", blocks more shots than you'd expect in the paint, and at least theoretically has something of a jump shot.

Some would prefer to sign Dwight Howard or Whiteside, which isn't a totally crazy proposition, but it's not some sure-thing improvement either.

Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2022, 05:56:20 PM »

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I mean I don't disagree but Kornet literally offers nothing on the court. So we signed him and kept him on the roster to be a cheerleader?

See, that's literally not the case, and it's what makes the hysterics over and end-of-the-bench guy tedious. He's 7'2", blocks more shots than you'd expect in the paint, and at least theoretically has something of a jump shot.

Some would prefer to sign Dwight Howard or Whiteside, which isn't a totally crazy proposition, but it's not some sure-thing improvement either.

With an understanding that no one was singing Kornet’s praises prior to his season debut, the guy played less than 6 minutes which was his first action coming off an ankle injury with no training camp.  NO ONE expects him to be anything other than a third string mop up/situational C at best.  But the dump on Luke after a dismal 5:50 is a bit much.  I’d like to see him a few more minutes before I decide there is absolutely no end of bench use for our 7’2” center. 

Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2022, 06:15:40 PM »

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I’m all on board with wanting a 7’2 “ center .

Just want one that is not a corpse please .

Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2022, 06:24:47 PM »

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Kornet is fine as a deep bench piece who protects the paint some on a minimum contract. Guy missed almost all of camp and preseason with a sprained ankle and people want to wring their hands because he wasn't in mid-season form in his first minutes back...

I think that it's because, based upon his track record, they don't think he should be on an NBA roster.  29 teams seem to agree with that assessment.  It's compounded because Kornet could be replaced with a better player who plays a position of need.
First off, you have no idea if this is true, but let's assume it is. You want to replace the guy that 29 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA with who? Guys 30 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA like Whiteside, Howard or Cousins?

Were those guys parked in the G-league for most of last season?
Does it matter? Where are they playing now? Who is currently getting NBA minutes and who is out of the league?

Kornet, who has been on an NBA roster every year since entering the league, is clearly a guy 29 other team do not feel should be out of the league, otherwise he wouldn't keep getting on rosters.

Kornet is in the league because Brad is making a mistake.
Like the one you claimed he did with Grant Williams?

Lol.  You crack me up. 

Brad and Danny aren't the same person, by the way.
Perhaps I should have said the way you felt the Celtics did with Grant?

Anyway, I just don't get the very real hate that people on this site have for Kornet. When it was Moses Brown as the 4th center/#14-#15 player on the roster everyone was excited and loved the guy. Tacko, Moritz Wagner, Bol Bol, Greg Monroe...same thing. But the complete opposite for Kornet.

Have we become so spoiled that we can't accept that 4th string centers/#14-#15 guys on the roster are of the general quality of a Luke Kornet? Why are we expecting guys like this to be more than something they aren't?

A lot of teams don't have 4th string centers and those that do have guys like Marko Simonovic, Udonis Haslem,  Willy Hernangomez, Jericho Sims, Damian Jones, Moritz Wagner, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Jock Landale and such as their 4th string guys taking up one of their last roster spots.

Fact is, the type of guy that takes up the spot Kornet does on the roster is a guy that's about as good as Kornet. I don't see the need to get all crazy angry over him being on the team like so, so, so many did in the game thread last night.

Bring angry because Timelord is hurt, I get. Being angry that Al has to still take rest days while Timelord is hurt(like just rest up when Timelord gets back), I get. But being mad that a 4th string center plays like a 4th string center, that I do not get.

I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive to find Kornet to be a good guy and teammate, while also finding him to be useless from a basketball perspective.   I don’t think all, or even most, of the criticism is due to hatred or personal animosity.

Rather, it’s because we need his roster spot.  On nights like last night, we arguably have the worst big man rotation in the NBA.  We need to upgrade the spot, and Kornet or Jackson are the obvious choices.  With Kornet, we saw last season that he was unplayable even when we needed more size, and it seems unlikely that he’s gotten better.

Now, Kornet shouldn’t be a scapegoat.  He’s trying his best.  To me, if the roster is deficient, that’s on a combination of bad luck and poor choices by management.
When people describe someone as "trash", "garbage", "pathetic" and, yes, "useless", I think that shows some animus towards the player.

And, except for Favors, who has been available for over a week and not signed anywhere(for all we know he doesn't want to be in Boston, the assumption shouldn't be that he does), who else out there is available that is so much better than Kornet?

Yes, there are Howard, Cousins and Whiteside, but all three are idiotic clowns with long histories of being problem children both on and off the court. None will ever get a sniff here, nor should they. Their potential to destroy a great locker room far outweighs any potential better play they may bring to the 3rd or 4th string center position.
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Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2022, 07:08:46 PM »

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For whatever it's worth, I see Cousins, Whiteside and Howard in different categories.

D12 has blown up locker rooms and has publicly demanded touches.  He's still doing that, which is crazy to me.

Whiteside is a stat-chaser.  He's been a decent soldier lately, but fundamentally he is about "getting his" over the team.  He can't help himself.  I will say, I don't understand why Drummond is desirable but Whiteside isn't in the free agent market.  They're very similar in their mindset.

Cousins is diminished by injuries and is explosive emotionally.  He has shown a willingness to take a smaller role, and he's generally been a good teammate.

All three have shown a propensity to sulk at times, albeit for different reasons.  I'd take a chance on Cousins, and maybe on Whiteside.  I think Cousins would most accept a 10 minute per game role.


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Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2022, 08:10:21 PM »

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Kornet is fine as a deep bench piece who protects the paint some on a minimum contract. Guy missed almost all of camp and preseason with a sprained ankle and people want to wring their hands because he wasn't in mid-season form in his first minutes back...

I think that it's because, based upon his track record, they don't think he should be on an NBA roster.  29 teams seem to agree with that assessment.  It's compounded because Kornet could be replaced with a better player who plays a position of need.
First off, you have no idea if this is true, but let's assume it is. You want to replace the guy that 29 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA with who? Guys 30 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA like Whiteside, Howard or Cousins?

Were those guys parked in the G-league for most of last season?
Does it matter? Where are they playing now? Who is currently getting NBA minutes and who is out of the league?

Kornet, who has been on an NBA roster every year since entering the league, is clearly a guy 29 other team do not feel should be out of the league, otherwise he wouldn't keep getting on rosters.

Kornet is in the league because Brad is making a mistake.
Like the one you claimed he did with Grant Williams?

Lol.  You crack me up. 

Brad and Danny aren't the same person, by the way.
Perhaps I should have said the way you felt the Celtics did with Grant?

Anyway, I just don't get the very real hate that people on this site have for Kornet. When it was Moses Brown as the 4th center/#14-#15 player on the roster everyone was excited and loved the guy. Tacko, Moritz Wagner, Bol Bol, Greg Monroe...same thing. But the complete opposite for Kornet.

Have we become so spoiled that we can't accept that 4th string centers/#14-#15 guys on the roster are of the general quality of a Luke Kornet? Why are we expecting guys like this to be more than something they aren't?

A lot of teams don't have 4th string centers and those that do have guys like Marko Simonovic, Udonis Haslem,  Willy Hernangomez, Jericho Sims, Damian Jones, Moritz Wagner, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Jock Landale and such as their 4th string guys taking up one of their last roster spots.

Fact is, the type of guy that takes up the spot Kornet does on the roster is a guy that's about as good as Kornet. I don't see the need to get all crazy angry over him being on the team like so, so, so many did in the game thread last night.

Bring angry because Timelord is hurt, I get. Being angry that Al has to still take rest days while Timelord is hurt(like just rest up when Timelord gets back), I get. But being mad that a 4th string center plays like a 4th string center, that I do not get.

I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive to find Kornet to be a good guy and teammate, while also finding him to be useless from a basketball perspective.   I don’t think all, or even most, of the criticism is due to hatred or personal animosity.

Rather, it’s because we need his roster spot.  On nights like last night, we arguably have the worst big man rotation in the NBA.  We need to upgrade the spot, and Kornet or Jackson are the obvious choices.  With Kornet, we saw last season that he was unplayable even when we needed more size, and it seems unlikely that he’s gotten better.

Now, Kornet shouldn’t be a scapegoat.  He’s trying his best.  To me, if the roster is deficient, that’s on a combination of bad luck and poor choices by management.
When people describe someone as "trash", "garbage", "pathetic" and, yes, "useless", I think that shows some animus towards the player.

And, except for Favors, who has been available for over a week and not signed anywhere(for all we know he doesn't want to be in Boston, the assumption shouldn't be that he does), who else out there is available that is so much better than Kornet?

Yes, there are Howard, Cousins and Whiteside, but all three are idiotic clowns with long histories of being problem children both on and off the court. None will ever get a sniff here, nor should they. Their potential to destroy a great locker room far outweighs any potential better play they may bring to the 3rd or 4th string center position.

They are describing his ability to play basketball, not describing him as a human being.
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Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2022, 08:13:46 PM »

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four pages of histrionics, emotional vetting, hot takes, new toys, doubling down, and binkie love....all over the 15th player on the roster.

i must be at celticstrong.  ;D
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Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2022, 09:03:14 PM »

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For those wishing for Favors, that’s another smaller center. Give me Howard . Some actual size
Favors is 6'9 with a 7'4 wingspan, weighs 265lbs. Howard is 6'10 with a 7'5 wingspan, also weighs 265lbs.

They are near identical sizes
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Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #54 on: October 28, 2022, 10:19:32 PM »

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So glad we have this useless bum on the roster

But hey Brad, give him an extension!

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Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #55 on: October 28, 2022, 10:21:30 PM »

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Good guy, G-league player.

Sign Favors.
Please!

It’s basically playing 4-on-5 on both ends.

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Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #56 on: October 28, 2022, 10:26:11 PM »

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It’s not his fault that he stinks. It’s management’s fault for not getting better players.

Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2022, 10:26:39 PM »

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Kornet is just awful. I mean he’s not even serviceable out there.

Re: The Murder Kornet
« Reply #58 on: October 28, 2022, 10:35:19 PM »

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I feel bad for him to some extent. The only person in the world who believes in him is Brad and the rest of the world wonders why the heck he is on our championship contending roster.

Kornet has some discernible  basketball skills and he's tall, but he just lacks any toughness and his skills don't translate because his movement is just god-awful. I realize he is a good locker room guy, but it just doesn't make sense to have him on the roster if we are actually counting on him to get minutes. And then you have poor Payton Pritchard sitting over there on the bench.

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« Reply #59 on: October 29, 2022, 04:28:04 PM »

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Good guy, G-league player.

Sign Favors.
Please!

It’s basically playing 4-on-5 on both ends.

Travis Knight 2.0.
At least he plays gimmicky defence on close-outs, instead of being in position ::)
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