The Murder Kornet

[nickagneta]

Kornet is fine as a deep bench piece who protects the paint some on a minimum contract. Guy missed almost all of camp and preseason with a sprained ankle and people want to wring their hands because he wasn't in mid-season form in his first minutes back...

I think that it's because, based upon his track record, they don't think he should be on an NBA roster.  29 teams seem to agree with that assessment.  It's compounded because Kornet could be replaced with a better player who plays a position of need.

First off, you have no idea if this is true, but let's assume it is. You want to replace the guy that 29 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA with who? Guys 30 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA like Whiteside, Howard or Cousins?

Were those guys parked in the G-league for most of last season?

Does it matter? Where are they playing now? Who is currently getting NBA minutes and who is out of the league?

Kornet, who has been on an NBA roster every year since entering the league, is clearly a guy 29 other team do not feel should be out of the league, otherwise he wouldn't keep getting on rosters. 

[Roy H.]

Kornet is fine as a deep bench piece who protects the paint some on a minimum contract. Guy missed almost all of camp and preseason with a sprained ankle and people want to wring their hands because he wasn't in mid-season form in his first minutes back...

I think that it's because, based upon his track record, they don't think he should be on an NBA roster.  29 teams seem to agree with that assessment.  It's compounded because Kornet could be replaced with a better player who plays a position of need.

First off, you have no idea if this is true, but let's assume it is. You want to replace the guy that 29 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA with who? Guys 30 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA like Whiteside, Howard or Cousins?

Were those guys parked in the G-league for most of last season?

Does it matter? Where are they playing now? Who is currently getting NBA minutes and who is out of the league?

Kornet, who has been on an NBA roster every year since entering the league, is clearly a guy 29 other team do not feel should be out of the league, otherwise he wouldn't keep getting on rosters.

Kornet is in the league because Brad is making a mistake. 

[bogg]

Kornet is fine as a deep bench piece who protects the paint some on a minimum contract. Guy missed almost all of camp and preseason with a sprained ankle and people want to wring their hands because he wasn't in mid-season form in his first minutes back...

I think that it's because, based upon his track record, they don't think he should be on an NBA roster.  29 teams seem to agree with that assessment.  It's compounded because Kornet could be replaced with a better player who plays a position of need.

First off, you have no idea if this is true, but let's assume it is. You want to replace the guy that 29 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA with who? Guys 30 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA like Whiteside, Howard or Cousins?

Were those guys parked in the G-league for most of last season?

Does it matter? Where are they playing now? Who is currently getting NBA minutes and who is out of the league?

Kornet, who has been on an NBA roster every year since entering the league, is clearly a guy 29 other team do not feel should be out of the league, otherwise he wouldn't keep getting on rosters.

Kornet is in the league because Brad is making a mistake.

Kornet's in the league because he's not a distraction that's as interested in being a professional wrestler as he is a professional basketball player and Boston's trotting out a 34-year-old first-time head coach who's coaching under the interim tag. I'm not convinced Kornet is still on the roster after the trade deadline, but the potential upside/potential downside math for Howard/Cousins/Whiteside is questionable.

[bogg]

Double post

[Sophomore]

Kornet is fine as a deep bench piece who protects the paint some on a minimum contract. Guy missed almost all of camp and preseason with a sprained ankle and people want to wring their hands because he wasn't in mid-season form in his first minutes back...

I think that it's because, based upon his track record, they don't think he should be on an NBA roster.  29 teams seem to agree with that assessment.  It's compounded because Kornet could be replaced with a better player who plays a position of need.

I mean, is any of that true though? We saw the kind of fringe-NBA players that are out there as an alternative and, well, Layman/Thomas/Samanic/etc didn't blow me away. I'm not even sold on Justin Jackson, honestly.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over the end-of-the-bench guys. Between the Juancho and Schroeder TPEs, a likely Gallo DPE, and Pritchard looking like a trade candidate, I'm expecting some bench turnover once the season starts shaking out and teams make moves.

I think this is it. Unless Vonleh suddenly puts it together, the team needs to make a mid season move to make sure we have a frontcourt able to go deep in the playoffs - and set us up for next year, when Horford may leave or, if not, will be a little less reliable.

Favors, if he’s available for vet min, is low risk and might be a band-aid, but I doubt he’s going to satisfy people playing significant minutes. The knock on him even a few years ago was that he was too slow to play switch coverage on the perimeter. Now he’s older and I don’t know what happened to him last year in OKC but get an eyeful of those stats. Yuck. For a guy who draws a lot of fan interest he also seems never to stick anywhere. There’s probably a good reason for that… His contract is on the high side but it’s not so big people would want to dump him if he was a good player and good in the locker room.

The guy I had my eye on, Richaun Holmes, is probably out of reach because he has a trade kicker on his deal. Not sure who else they can target. Nerlens Noel makes about the right amount to match Pritchard plus Gallo, tho I think Detroit wants to keep him as a mentor to their young guys. Possibly Poeltl becomes available if the SAS commit to the tank, tho he’s a drop coverage guy so I’m down on that. Hopefully the front office knows something (well, a lot) that I don’t. I’m thinking defense-first roll man who can switch on the perimeter, and who won’t hurt us on offense because he can screen and pass reasonably well.

[nickagneta]

Kornet is fine as a deep bench piece who protects the paint some on a minimum contract. Guy missed almost all of camp and preseason with a sprained ankle and people want to wring their hands because he wasn't in mid-season form in his first minutes back...

I think that it's because, based upon his track record, they don't think he should be on an NBA roster.  29 teams seem to agree with that assessment.  It's compounded because Kornet could be replaced with a better player who plays a position of need.

First off, you have no idea if this is true, but let's assume it is. You want to replace the guy that 29 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA with who? Guys 30 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA like Whiteside, Howard or Cousins?

Were those guys parked in the G-league for most of last season?

Does it matter? Where are they playing now? Who is currently getting NBA minutes and who is out of the league?

Kornet, who has been on an NBA roster every year since entering the league, is clearly a guy 29 other team do not feel should be out of the league, otherwise he wouldn't keep getting on rosters.

Kornet is in the league because Brad is making a mistake.

Like the one you claimed he did with Grant Williams?

[Roy H.]

Kornet is fine as a deep bench piece who protects the paint some on a minimum contract. Guy missed almost all of camp and preseason with a sprained ankle and people want to wring their hands because he wasn't in mid-season form in his first minutes back...

I think that it's because, based upon his track record, they don't think he should be on an NBA roster.  29 teams seem to agree with that assessment.  It's compounded because Kornet could be replaced with a better player who plays a position of need.

First off, you have no idea if this is true, but let's assume it is. You want to replace the guy that 29 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA with who? Guys 30 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA like Whiteside, Howard or Cousins?

Were those guys parked in the G-league for most of last season?

Does it matter? Where are they playing now? Who is currently getting NBA minutes and who is out of the league?

Kornet, who has been on an NBA roster every year since entering the league, is clearly a guy 29 other team do not feel should be out of the league, otherwise he wouldn't keep getting on rosters.

Kornet is in the league because Brad is making a mistake.

Like the one you claimed he did with Grant Williams?

Lol.  You crack me up. 

Brad and Danny aren't the same person, by the way.

[nickagneta]

Kornet is fine as a deep bench piece who protects the paint some on a minimum contract. Guy missed almost all of camp and preseason with a sprained ankle and people want to wring their hands because he wasn't in mid-season form in his first minutes back...

I think that it's because, based upon his track record, they don't think he should be on an NBA roster.  29 teams seem to agree with that assessment.  It's compounded because Kornet could be replaced with a better player who plays a position of need.

First off, you have no idea if this is true, but let's assume it is. You want to replace the guy that 29 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA with who? Guys 30 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA like Whiteside, Howard or Cousins?

Were those guys parked in the G-league for most of last season?

Does it matter? Where are they playing now? Who is currently getting NBA minutes and who is out of the league?

Kornet, who has been on an NBA roster every year since entering the league, is clearly a guy 29 other team do not feel should be out of the league, otherwise he wouldn't keep getting on rosters.

Kornet is in the league because Brad is making a mistake.

Like the one you claimed he did with Grant Williams?

Lol.  You crack me up. 

Brad and Danny aren't the same person, by the way.

Perhaps I should have said the way you felt the Celtics did with Grant?

Anyway, I just don't get the very real hate that people on this site have for Kornet. When it was Moses Brown as the 4th center/#14-#15 player on the roster everyone was excited and loved the guy. Tacko, Moritz Wagner, Bol Bol, Greg Monroe...same thing. But the complete opposite for Kornet.

Have we become so spoiled that we can't accept that 4th string centers/#14-#15 guys on the roster are of the general quality of a Luke Kornet? Why are we expecting guys like this to be more than something they aren't?

A lot of teams don't have 4th string centers and those that do have guys like Marko Simonovic, Udonis Haslem,  Willy Hernangomez, Jericho Sims, Damian Jones, Moritz Wagner, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Jock Landale and such as their 4th string guys taking up one of their last roster spots.

Fact is, the type of guy that takes up the spot Kornet does on the roster is a guy that's about as good as Kornet. I don't see the need to get all crazy angry over him being on the team like so, so, so many did in the game thread last night.

Bring angry because Timelord is hurt, I get. Being angry that Al has to still take rest days while Timelord is hurt(like just rest up when Timelord gets back), I get. But being mad that a 4th string center plays like a 4th string center, that I do not get.

[Roy H.]

Kornet is fine as a deep bench piece who protects the paint some on a minimum contract. Guy missed almost all of camp and preseason with a sprained ankle and people want to wring their hands because he wasn't in mid-season form in his first minutes back...

I think that it's because, based upon his track record, they don't think he should be on an NBA roster.  29 teams seem to agree with that assessment.  It's compounded because Kornet could be replaced with a better player who plays a position of need.

First off, you have no idea if this is true, but let's assume it is. You want to replace the guy that 29 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA with who? Guys 30 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA like Whiteside, Howard or Cousins?

Were those guys parked in the G-league for most of last season?

Does it matter? Where are they playing now? Who is currently getting NBA minutes and who is out of the league?

Kornet, who has been on an NBA roster every year since entering the league, is clearly a guy 29 other team do not feel should be out of the league, otherwise he wouldn't keep getting on rosters.

Kornet is in the league because Brad is making a mistake.

Like the one you claimed he did with Grant Williams?

Lol.  You crack me up. 

Brad and Danny aren't the same person, by the way.

Perhaps I should have said the way you felt the Celtics did with Grant?

Anyway, I just don't get the very real hate that people on this site have for Kornet. When it was Moses Brown as the 4th center/#14-#15 player on the roster everyone was excited and loved the guy. Tacko, Moritz Wagner, Bol Bol, Greg Monroe...same thing. But the complete opposite for Kornet.

Have we become so spoiled that we can't accept that 4th string centers/#14-#15 guys on the roster are of the general quality of a Luke Kornet? Why are we expecting guys like this to be more than something they aren't?

A lot of teams don't have 4th string centers and those that do have guys like Marko Simonovic, Udonis Haslem,  Willy Hernangomez, Jericho Sims, Damian Jones, Moritz Wagner, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Jock Landale and such as their 4th string guys taking up one of their last roster spots.

Fact is, the type of guy that takes up the spot Kornet does on the roster is a guy that's about as good as Kornet. I don't see the need to get all crazy angry over him being on the team like so, so, so many did in the game thread last night.

Bring angry because Timelord is hurt, I get. Being angry that Al has to still take rest days while Timelord is hurt(like just rest up when Timelord gets back), I get. But being mad that a 4th string center plays like a 4th string center, that I do not get.

I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive to find Kornet to be a good guy and teammate, while also finding him to be useless from a basketball perspective.   I don’t think all, or even most, of the criticism is due to hatred or personal animosity.

Rather, it’s because we need his roster spot.  On nights like last night, we arguably have the worst big man rotation in the NBA.  We need to upgrade the spot, and Kornet or Jackson are the obvious choices.  With Kornet, we saw last season that he was unplayable even when we needed more size, and it seems unlikely that he’s gotten better.

Now, Kornet shouldn’t be a scapegoat.  He’s trying his best.  To me, if the roster is deficient, that’s on a combination of bad luck and poor choices by management.

[Goldstar88]

Kornet is fine as a deep bench piece who protects the paint some on a minimum contract. Guy missed almost all of camp and preseason with a sprained ankle and people want to wring their hands because he wasn't in mid-season form in his first minutes back...

I think that it's because, based upon his track record, they don't think he should be on an NBA roster.  29 teams seem to agree with that assessment.  It's compounded because Kornet could be replaced with a better player who plays a position of need.

First off, you have no idea if this is true, but let's assume it is. You want to replace the guy that 29 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA with who? Guys 30 teams agree shouldn't be in the NBA like Whiteside, Howard or Cousins?

Were those guys parked in the G-league for most of last season?

Does it matter? Where are they playing now? Who is currently getting NBA minutes and who is out of the league?

Kornet, who has been on an NBA roster every year since entering the league, is clearly a guy 29 other team do not feel should be out of the league, otherwise he wouldn't keep getting on rosters.

Kornet is in the league because Brad is making a mistake.

Like the one you claimed he did with Grant Williams?

Lol.  You crack me up. 

Brad and Danny aren't the same person, by the way.

Perhaps I should have said the way you felt the Celtics did with Grant?

Anyway, I just don't get the very real hate that people on this site have for Kornet. When it was Moses Brown as the 4th center/#14-#15 player on the roster everyone was excited and loved the guy. Tacko, Moritz Wagner, Bol Bol, Greg Monroe...same thing. But the complete opposite for Kornet.

Have we become so spoiled that we can't accept that 4th string centers/#14-#15 guys on the roster are of the general quality of a Luke Kornet? Why are we expecting guys like this to be more than something they aren't?

A lot of teams don't have 4th string centers and those that do have guys like Marko Simonovic, Udonis Haslem,  Willy Hernangomez, Jericho Sims, Damian Jones, Moritz Wagner, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Jock Landale and such as their 4th string guys taking up one of their last roster spots.

Fact is, the type of guy that takes up the spot Kornet does on the roster is a guy that's about as good as Kornet. I don't see the need to get all crazy angry over him being on the team like so, so, so many did in the game thread last night.

Bring angry because Timelord is hurt, I get. Being angry that Al has to still take rest days while Timelord is hurt(like just rest up when Timelord gets back), I get. But being mad that a 4th string center plays like a 4th string center, that I do not get.

I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive to find Kornet to be a good guy and teammate, while also finding him to be useless from a basketball perspective.   I don’t think all, or even most, of the criticism is due to hatred or personal animosity.

Rather, it’s because we need his roster spot.  On nights like last night, we arguably have the worst big man rotation in the NBA.  We need to upgrade the spot, and Kornet or Jackson are the obvious choices.  With Kornet, we saw last season that he was unplayable even when we needed more size, and it seems unlikely that he’s gotten better.

Now, Kornet shouldn’t be a scapegoat.  He’s trying his best.  To me, if the roster is deficient, that’s on a combination of bad luck and poor choices by management.

This. Blake Griffin looks pretty useless as well. Him and Kornet combined for 16mins of play and they gave the C’s 1pt, 1ast and 1reb. Defense was bad too. Really can’t afford for Al to miss time.

[drooldaddy]

For those wishing for Favors, that’s another smaller center. Give me Howard . Some actual size

[Roy H.]

For those wishing for Favors, that’s another smaller center. Give me Howard . Some actual size

Howard doesn’t want to play a role.  He still thinks he’s a star that deserves to start.

We mostly just need a guy who plays smart defense without hurting the team elsewhere.

[Goldstar88]

For those wishing for Favors, that’s another smaller center. Give me Howard . Some actual size

According to NBA.com Favors is 6’9”/265lbs and Howard is 6’10”/265lbs. I’d say both guys have size.

[bogg]

For those wishing for Favors, that’s another smaller center. Give me Howard . Some actual size

Howard doesn’t want to play a role.  He still thinks he’s a star that deserves to start.

We mostly just need a guy who plays smart defense without hurting the team elsewhere.

That's the exact problem though - the guys readily available for the minimum right now are all potential locker room problems on a team that's been through enough drama already. They tried to sign Montrezl Harrell and he passed because they wouldn't guarantee him enough playing time. Favors might be a real option, but he also may be looking at more playing time elsewhere.

The "clear upgrade at backup center" ship largely sailed when they let the Fournier TPE expire and doesn't come back around until trade season starts.

[feckless]

Locker room presence and team chemistry - I think are what is likely at play here.  Tristan I think messed things up as did Kyrie.  I believe Howard and Whiteside are difficult personalities to malcontents.  Favors I don't know much about.  We do know that Kornet is not disruptive and fits .  Bringing back Al and now solid guys like Brogdan and White is bringing good "karma". There probably was more talent than Blake available but they must have thought that his ego would work with this team and his role.  And judging by Blake pumping everybody up on the sidelines I like having him over Howard or Whiteside.