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Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #135 on: September 21, 2022, 03:21:34 PM »

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How involved in the sale of the team can he be if he is suspended from the team?
he is banned from activities, not ownership
I guess I don't know the extent of activities, it's not like a blind trust.
Can he participate in marketing and licensing activities, those type of deals could increase or decrease the sales price.
How much contact is he allowed with management? Are specific topics forbidden?
It is in the NBA's statement that Roy posted on the first page of this thread.
Thanks, I had to open in a new tab.
"Mr. Sarver is suspended from the Suns/Mercury organization for the period of one year,during which time he will not"
"Represent the Suns or Mercury in any public or private capacity"
"Have any involvement with the business or basketball operations of the Suns or Mercury.
etc.

Selling the business implies involvement with the business .

Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #136 on: September 21, 2022, 03:29:12 PM »

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How involved in the sale of the team can he be if he is suspended from the team?
he is banned from activities, not ownership
I guess I don't know the extent of activities, it's not like a blind trust.
Can he participate in marketing and licensing activities, those type of deals could increase or decrease the sales price.
How much contact is he allowed with management? Are specific topics forbidden?
It is in the NBA's statement that Roy posted on the first page of this thread.
Thanks, I had to open in a new tab.
"Mr. Sarver is suspended from the Suns/Mercury organization for the period of one year,during which time he will not"
"Represent the Suns or Mercury in any public or private capacity"
"Have any involvement with the business or basketball operations of the Suns or Mercury.
etc.

Selling the business implies involvement with the business .

He’s not the sole owner, so he can sell his share without being involved in any operating capacity.

Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #137 on: September 21, 2022, 03:34:28 PM »

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How involved in the sale of the team can he be if he is suspended from the team?
he is banned from activities, not ownership
I guess I don't know the extent of activities, it's not like a blind trust.
Can he participate in marketing and licensing activities, those type of deals could increase or decrease the sales price.
How much contact is he allowed with management? Are specific topics forbidden?
It is in the NBA's statement that Roy posted on the first page of this thread.
Thanks, I had to open in a new tab.
"Mr. Sarver is suspended from the Suns/Mercury organization for the period of one year,during which time he will not"
"Represent the Suns or Mercury in any public or private capacity"
"Have any involvement with the business or basketball operations of the Suns or Mercury.
etc.

Selling the business implies involvement with the business .

He’s not the sole owner, so he can sell his share without being involved in any operating capacity.
He's going to turn over a billion plus transaction to the minority shareholders?

Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #138 on: September 21, 2022, 03:41:43 PM »

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How involved in the sale of the team can he be if he is suspended from the team?
he is banned from activities, not ownership
I guess I don't know the extent of activities, it's not like a blind trust.
Can he participate in marketing and licensing activities, those type of deals could increase or decrease the sales price.
How much contact is he allowed with management? Are specific topics forbidden?
It is in the NBA's statement that Roy posted on the first page of this thread.
Thanks, I had to open in a new tab.
"Mr. Sarver is suspended from the Suns/Mercury organization for the period of one year,during which time he will not"
"Represent the Suns or Mercury in any public or private capacity"
"Have any involvement with the business or basketball operations of the Suns or Mercury.
etc.

Selling the business implies involvement with the business .

He’s not the sole owner, so he can sell his share without being involved in any operating capacity.
He's going to turn over a billion plus transaction to the minority shareholders?
Selling your shares is not involvement with the business
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Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #139 on: September 21, 2022, 03:43:16 PM »

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If I were him I'd be looking around to sell the team.

Wise move from Sarver. His ownership was going to become untenable if it wasn't already.
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Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #140 on: September 21, 2022, 03:49:56 PM »

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How involved in the sale of the team can he be if he is suspended from the team?
he is banned from activities, not ownership
I guess I don't know the extent of activities, it's not like a blind trust.
Can he participate in marketing and licensing activities, those type of deals could increase or decrease the sales price.
How much contact is he allowed with management? Are specific topics forbidden?
It is in the NBA's statement that Roy posted on the first page of this thread.
Thanks, I had to open in a new tab.
"Mr. Sarver is suspended from the Suns/Mercury organization for the period of one year,during which time he will not"
"Represent the Suns or Mercury in any public or private capacity"
"Have any involvement with the business or basketball operations of the Suns or Mercury.
etc.

Selling the business implies involvement with the business .

He’s not the sole owner, so he can sell his share without being involved in any operating capacity.
He's going to turn over a billion plus transaction to the minority shareholders?

He can sell it to whomever without being involved in operations.  It's not uncommon for a business to be controlled by someone other than the majority/leading shareholder, nor is it unusual for an entity to operate without ownership being actively involved while trying to sell.  We see it frequently with a trust holding a stake in a business after the death of a majority owner/sole proprietor. 

Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #141 on: September 21, 2022, 03:52:59 PM »

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How involved in the sale of the team can he be if he is suspended from the team?
he is banned from activities, not ownership
I guess I don't know the extent of activities, it's not like a blind trust.
Can he participate in marketing and licensing activities, those type of deals could increase or decrease the sales price.
How much contact is he allowed with management? Are specific topics forbidden?
It is in the NBA's statement that Roy posted on the first page of this thread.
Thanks, I had to open in a new tab.
"Mr. Sarver is suspended from the Suns/Mercury organization for the period of one year,during which time he will not"
"Represent the Suns or Mercury in any public or private capacity"
"Have any involvement with the business or basketball operations of the Suns or Mercury.
etc.

Selling the business implies involvement with the business .

He’s not the sole owner, so he can sell his share without being involved in any operating capacity.
He's going to turn over a billion plus transaction to the minority shareholders?
Selling your shares is not involvement with the business
Seriously? As a majority owner of an $1.8B business, you would "sell your shares" without involvement?

Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #142 on: September 21, 2022, 03:56:27 PM »

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How involved in the sale of the team can he be if he is suspended from the team?
he is banned from activities, not ownership
I guess I don't know the extent of activities, it's not like a blind trust.
Can he participate in marketing and licensing activities, those type of deals could increase or decrease the sales price.
How much contact is he allowed with management? Are specific topics forbidden?
It is in the NBA's statement that Roy posted on the first page of this thread.
Thanks, I had to open in a new tab.
"Mr. Sarver is suspended from the Suns/Mercury organization for the period of one year,during which time he will not"
"Represent the Suns or Mercury in any public or private capacity"
"Have any involvement with the business or basketball operations of the Suns or Mercury.
etc.

Selling the business implies involvement with the business .

He’s not the sole owner, so he can sell his share without being involved in any operating capacity.
He's going to turn over a billion plus transaction to the minority shareholders?
Selling your shares is not involvement with the business
Seriously? As a majority owner of an $1.8B business, you would "sell your shares" without involvement?

Being involved in selling your stake is not the same thing as being involved in operating a business, which is what he's prohibited from doing.

Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #143 on: September 21, 2022, 03:56:40 PM »

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How involved in the sale of the team can he be if he is suspended from the team?
he is banned from activities, not ownership
I guess I don't know the extent of activities, it's not like a blind trust.
Can he participate in marketing and licensing activities, those type of deals could increase or decrease the sales price.
How much contact is he allowed with management? Are specific topics forbidden?
It is in the NBA's statement that Roy posted on the first page of this thread.
Thanks, I had to open in a new tab.
"Mr. Sarver is suspended from the Suns/Mercury organization for the period of one year,during which time he will not"
"Represent the Suns or Mercury in any public or private capacity"
"Have any involvement with the business or basketball operations of the Suns or Mercury.
etc.

Selling the business implies involvement with the business .

He’s not the sole owner, so he can sell his share without being involved in any operating capacity.
He's going to turn over a billion plus transaction to the minority shareholders?

He can sell it to whomever without being involved in operations.  It's not uncommon for a business to be controlled by someone other than the majority/leading shareholder, nor is it unusual for an entity to operate without ownership being actively involved while trying to sell.  We see it frequently with a trust holding a stake in a business after the death of a majority owner/sole proprietor.
True, but the precise reason he is being "forced" to sell is this is not the case.

I believe this motivated his announcement. If he had waited and he was "voted out" by the league he would be in the position you describe. He announced a decision to sell, which will temper the groundswell to affirmatively remove him.

Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #144 on: September 21, 2022, 04:59:14 PM »

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Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #145 on: September 21, 2022, 05:15:44 PM »

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Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #146 on: September 21, 2022, 07:23:45 PM »

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How involved in the sale of the team can he be if he is suspended from the team?
he is banned from activities, not ownership
I guess I don't know the extent of activities, it's not like a blind trust.
Can he participate in marketing and licensing activities, those type of deals could increase or decrease the sales price.
How much contact is he allowed with management? Are specific topics forbidden?
It is in the NBA's statement that Roy posted on the first page of this thread.
Thanks, I had to open in a new tab.
"Mr. Sarver is suspended from the Suns/Mercury organization for the period of one year,during which time he will not"
"Represent the Suns or Mercury in any public or private capacity"
"Have any involvement with the business or basketball operations of the Suns or Mercury.
etc.

Selling the business implies involvement with the business .

He’s not the sole owner, so he can sell his share without being involved in any operating capacity.
He's going to turn over a billion plus transaction to the minority shareholders?
Selling your shares is not involvement with the business
Seriously? As a majority owner of an $1.8B business, you would "sell your shares" without involvement?
You aren't understanding.  He is not banned from selling his shares or participating in that process as that does not involve the Suns actual business.
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Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #147 on: September 21, 2022, 07:46:20 PM »

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So ...... he REPEATED racial slurs in direct reference to someone else's use of the words.

He commented on the attractiveness of some female employees.

He yelled at employees on certain occasions (I assume he was not happy with their performance).

Is this an accurate description of his behavior ?
Not remotely.

Maybe a few of the things he did is common and acceptable in Tennessee, but it's not in most of the rest of the country.

Gosh Nicky, that is quite an ignorant comment.

My question was based on the official findings report listed in Roy's initial post.
I genuinely wanted to know exactly what the guy did since media reports and chat room rumors are so often inaccurate.
Just asking questions, are ya?
Yeah, I'm not buying that either.

I can always count on Nicky and Gouk to comment on my posts with their syrupy sweet moral indignation.
I was kinda going for the powder sugary sweet moral indignation, but I guess I came close enough. They're both great with pancakes.

But seriously tenn, if you were really asking a question, why phrase it in the manner a defense attorney would in trying to minimalize the type of abhorrent behavior Sarver has been proven to have committed? You sure phrased it as if you thought what he did was no big deal?


My curiosity about Sarver's case grew after talking with a friend from NYC a couple of nights back. Having not kept up with the details myself, I was trying to find out what the exact behavior was that has brought down so much attention and scrutiny. I do not trust the liberal press to tell the truth and I sure as hell don't trust the rantings of Lebron James and Draymond Green - so I am not going to jump in and call for Sarver's head without finding out what he actually did do and what reports are just embellishment and not factual.
But Roy didn't provide media reports. He provided actual NBA communications about the situation. They were right there to be read with the NBA providing further links.

Sorry, dude, but you sure seemed to me to be defending Sarver's actions and now come to find out it was all because of political animus when this wasn't a political situation. This was a right or wrong situation, not a red or blue one, unless your red or blueness leads you to defend racist, sexist comments and actions.

Political animus ??

Just because I tell the truth about the modern media does not make this about politics.
My comment had to do whether I could trust the source of the information or not.

Sarver may have done some of or all of these things he is accused of.
But I don't automatically accept what I hear in the news because it is stylish to do so.
As for the NBA investigation, maybe it's true, though I trust Silver less than the media.
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Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #148 on: September 21, 2022, 08:18:04 PM »

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Sarver has made some mistakes and I thought the punishment was adequate justice. But cancel culture knows no bounds.

What Sarver did pales in comparison to what our own asterisk President has said and done. Inappropriate touching of kids, showering with his daughter, sexual assault allegation, multiple racist comments, etc.

Re: Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million
« Reply #149 on: September 21, 2022, 09:08:43 PM »

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Sarver has made some mistakes and I thought the punishment was adequate justice. But cancel culture knows no bounds.

What Sarver did pales in comparison to what our own asterisk President has said and done. Inappropriate touching of kids, showering with his daughter, sexual assault allegation, multiple racist comments, etc.

I know Trump has fantasized about showering with Ivanka, but I don’t think he’s actually managed to do it yet?