Robert Sarver suspended one year, fined $10 million

[Kernewek]

The fact is that we don’t know, and most likely will never know, which topic LeBron feels more strongly about.

Requiring a strong settled opinion from every person on every topic before they give their 2c on something else is an unrealistic ask.


To that end, reading the Twitter tea leaves to try and figure it out seems counterproductive.

[nickagneta]

I’m fine if he is forced to sell the team. I’m fine if he comes back in a year and doesn’t do any more bad behavior. I think this entered the zone of faux outrage with some virtue signaling. There are multiple players in the nba that have done worse things this off-season alone with half the outrage. Would be interesting if Lebron or Paul tweeted out “this has no place in our game” when rondo pulled a gun on his ex or bridges beat the hell out of a women. People join in and act outraged when it is low hanging fruit.

I think a lot of players view this through a racial lens.  I think that's what motivates some of the outrage here, moreso than in other events.  Although the report didn't find Sarver to be racist in his employment decisions, he did casually repeat racial slurs for their entertainment value, and there were allegations that the racial dynamics were tense with some of his black coaches.  My guess (I could be wrong) is that for Lebron, that's a more important topic than much of the other things complained about.

If Lebron has a bigger issue with a guy repeating a racial slur that someone else said compared to man beating the hell out of a woman that is extremely misguided.

Here is the issue.

Edwards use of a homophobic slur and Rondo's situation came in private away from the team and league. Sarver did the things that he did on team property, in the full view of his employees, saying and doing things that created a racist, sexist work environment that had a terrible effect on his employees.

If you're the boss, if you are responsible for the professional environment and atmosphere of your employees, you take on the responsibility of providing healthy, inclusive and legal working conditions. Women shouldn't have to worry about going to work and being hit on by the boss, who could fire them for saying no. People of color shouldn't have to worry about going to work and hearing their boss using racist slurs, where bringing up he shouldn't do that could get you fired or moved to another team.

If you can't run your team giving your employees a proper healthy, inclusive and legal working place of employment, you shouldn't be allowed to own a team.

Do you really think that’s why Lebron has a bigger problem with it?

I really don't give a flying fig what Lebron thinks nor am I interested in trying to dive into his mind to figure out what he thinks.

That’s fair.  The response was just a bit confusing given the comment you quoted.  Personally I think physically assaulting a woman is much worse than making sexist and racially insensitive comments in the workplace, regardless of whether they occur on company property or not, and deserves much more outrage.  But they’re all bad.

See, for me, doing sexually explicit things while saying racist and sexist things in the workplace isn't anywhere near being as bad as being the owner of a business and doing sexually explicit things while saying racist and sexist things in the workplace. I one situation that guy gets reported to the boss and gets fired. In the other everyone that works in that workplace has to feel anxious, unsafe, insulted, uncomfortable, angry, racially violated, etc. because you can't go to the boss because he is the guy doing the disgusting things

Being an owner of any company, you take on the responsibility of making sure your employees can come to work in a comfortable, inclusive, safe, non-racist, non-homophobic, non-sexist, legally mandated environment. When you do things that created a working situation that isn't the above, you abdicate the right to own/run that company.

With great power comes great responsibility.

That's my issue.

[greg683x]

I’m fine if he is forced to sell the team. I’m fine if he comes back in a year and doesn’t do any more bad behavior. I think this entered the zone of faux outrage with some virtue signaling. There are multiple players in the nba that have done worse things this off-season alone with half the outrage. Would be interesting if Lebron or Paul tweeted out “this has no place in our game” when rondo pulled a gun on his ex or bridges beat the hell out of a women. People join in and act outraged when it is low hanging fruit.

I think a lot of players view this through a racial lens.  I think that's what motivates some of the outrage here, moreso than in other events.  Although the report didn't find Sarver to be racist in his employment decisions, he did casually repeat racial slurs for their entertainment value, and there were allegations that the racial dynamics were tense with some of his black coaches.  My guess (I could be wrong) is that for Lebron, that's a more important topic than much of the other things complained about.

If Lebron has a bigger issue with a guy repeating a racial slur that someone else said compared to man beating the hell out of a woman that is extremely misguided.

Here is the issue.

Edwards use of a homophobic slur and Rondo's situation came in private away from the team and league. Sarver did the things that he did on team property, in the full view of his employees, saying and doing things that created a racist, sexist work environment that had a terrible effect on his employees.

If you're the boss, if you are responsible for the professional environment and atmosphere of your employees, you take on the responsibility of providing healthy, inclusive and legal working conditions. Women shouldn't have to worry about going to work and being hit on by the boss, who could fire them for saying no. People of color shouldn't have to worry about going to work and hearing their boss using racist slurs, where bringing up he shouldn't do that could get you fired or moved to another team.

If you can't run your team giving your employees a proper healthy, inclusive and legal working place of employment, you shouldn't be allowed to own a team.

Do you really think that’s why Lebron has a bigger problem with it?

I really don't give a flying fig what Lebron thinks nor am I interested in trying to dive into his mind to figure out what he thinks.

That’s fair.  The response was just a bit confusing given the comment you quoted.  Personally I think physically assaulting a woman is much worse than making sexist and racially insensitive comments in the workplace, regardless of whether they occur on company property or not, and deserves much more outrage.  But they’re all bad.

See, for me, doing sexually explicit things while saying racist and sexist things in the workplace isn't anywhere near being as bad as being the owner of a business and doing sexually explicit things while saying racist and sexist things in the workplace. I one situation that guy gets reported to the boss and gets fired. In the other everyone that works in that workplace has to feel anxious, unsafe, insulted, uncomfortable, angry, racially violated, etc. because you can't go to the boss because he is the guy doing the disgusting things

Being an owner of any company, you take on the responsibility of making sure your employees can come to work in a comfortable, inclusive, safe, non-racist, non-homophobic, non-sexist, legally mandated environment. When you do things that created a working situation that isn't the above, you abdicate the right to own/run that company.

With great power comes great responsibility.

That's my issue.

I hear you and I agree. Though I would say some of that great responsibility falls on the athletes themselves as well bc of the large influence they have on the youth of America BUT in regards to comparing Sarver to Anthony Edwards, you’re right, fostering an environment of sexism and racial insensitivity is much worse than getting caught in one singular instance. I’d hope you don’t feel the same way about Rondo too bc you gave your speech about higher standards for company owners when someone mentioned him beating up his girl.

Rondo beat the crap out of his kids mother and had a gun drawn in the room with his kid, IIRC.  Physical abuse and having guns out around kids is a whole different realm of disgusting behavior than what Sarver did, I don’t care how he runs his company, physical abuse of women and children will always be worse than insensitive words.  Workplace or not, owner of a company or not.

Unfortunately I think our society has become accustomed to athletes behaving this way and because of that, there’s a lot less outrage.  It’s awful.

ANYWAY, that’s not what this thread is about and sorry I’ve steered the convo away a bit.  I just took a little bit of exception to the downplaying of what Rondo did.

[nickagneta]

I’m fine if he is forced to sell the team. I’m fine if he comes back in a year and doesn’t do any more bad behavior. I think this entered the zone of faux outrage with some virtue signaling. There are multiple players in the nba that have done worse things this off-season alone with half the outrage. Would be interesting if Lebron or Paul tweeted out “this has no place in our game” when rondo pulled a gun on his ex or bridges beat the hell out of a women. People join in and act outraged when it is low hanging fruit.

I think a lot of players view this through a racial lens.  I think that's what motivates some of the outrage here, moreso than in other events.  Although the report didn't find Sarver to be racist in his employment decisions, he did casually repeat racial slurs for their entertainment value, and there were allegations that the racial dynamics were tense with some of his black coaches.  My guess (I could be wrong) is that for Lebron, that's a more important topic than much of the other things complained about.

If Lebron has a bigger issue with a guy repeating a racial slur that someone else said compared to man beating the hell out of a woman that is extremely misguided.

Here is the issue.

Edwards use of a homophobic slur and Rondo's situation came in private away from the team and league. Sarver did the things that he did on team property, in the full view of his employees, saying and doing things that created a racist, sexist work environment that had a terrible effect on his employees.

If you're the boss, if you are responsible for the professional environment and atmosphere of your employees, you take on the responsibility of providing healthy, inclusive and legal working conditions. Women shouldn't have to worry about going to work and being hit on by the boss, who could fire them for saying no. People of color shouldn't have to worry about going to work and hearing their boss using racist slurs, where bringing up he shouldn't do that could get you fired or moved to another team.

If you can't run your team giving your employees a proper healthy, inclusive and legal working place of employment, you shouldn't be allowed to own a team.

Do you really think that’s why Lebron has a bigger problem with it?

I really don't give a flying fig what Lebron thinks nor am I interested in trying to dive into his mind to figure out what he thinks.

That’s fair.  The response was just a bit confusing given the comment you quoted.  Personally I think physically assaulting a woman is much worse than making sexist and racially insensitive comments in the workplace, regardless of whether they occur on company property or not, and deserves much more outrage.  But they’re all bad.

See, for me, doing sexually explicit things while saying racist and sexist things in the workplace isn't anywhere near being as bad as being the owner of a business and doing sexually explicit things while saying racist and sexist things in the workplace. I one situation that guy gets reported to the boss and gets fired. In the other everyone that works in that workplace has to feel anxious, unsafe, insulted, uncomfortable, angry, racially violated, etc. because you can't go to the boss because he is the guy doing the disgusting things

Being an owner of any company, you take on the responsibility of making sure your employees can come to work in a comfortable, inclusive, safe, non-racist, non-homophobic, non-sexist, legally mandated environment. When you do things that created a working situation that isn't the above, you abdicate the right to own/run that company.

With great power comes great responsibility.

That's my issue.

I hear you and I agree. Though I would say some of that great responsibility falls on the athletes themselves as well bc of the large influence they have on the youth of America BUT in regards to comparing Sarver to Anthony Edwards, you’re right, fostering an environment of sexism and racial insensitivity is much worse than getting caught in one singular instance. I’d hope you don’t feel the same way about Rondo too bc you gave your speech about higher standards for company owners when someone mentioned him beating up his girl.

Rondo beat the crap out of his kids mother and had a gun drawn in the room with his kid, IIRC.  Physical abuse and having guns out around kids is a whole different realm of disgusting behavior than what Sarver did, I don’t care how he runs his company, physical abuse of women and children will always be worse than insensitive words.  Workplace or not, owner of a company or not.

Unfortunately I think our society has become accustomed to athletes behaving this way and because of that, there’s a lot less outrage.  It’s awful.

ANYWAY, that’s not what this thread is about and sorry I’ve steered the convo away a bit.  I just took a little bit of exception to the downplaying of what Rondo did.

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating that Edwards, Rondo are any better or worse than Sarver. I'm really not into measuring the amount of scuminess in people. Bad is bad. Rondo....bad. Sarver ...bad. Both should be properly punished. Rondo should be in jail if found guilty. Sarver should lose his team.

[greg683x]

I’m fine if he is forced to sell the team. I’m fine if he comes back in a year and doesn’t do any more bad behavior. I think this entered the zone of faux outrage with some virtue signaling. There are multiple players in the nba that have done worse things this off-season alone with half the outrage. Would be interesting if Lebron or Paul tweeted out “this has no place in our game” when rondo pulled a gun on his ex or bridges beat the hell out of a women. People join in and act outraged when it is low hanging fruit.

I think a lot of players view this through a racial lens.  I think that's what motivates some of the outrage here, moreso than in other events.  Although the report didn't find Sarver to be racist in his employment decisions, he did casually repeat racial slurs for their entertainment value, and there were allegations that the racial dynamics were tense with some of his black coaches.  My guess (I could be wrong) is that for Lebron, that's a more important topic than much of the other things complained about.

If Lebron has a bigger issue with a guy repeating a racial slur that someone else said compared to man beating the hell out of a woman that is extremely misguided.

Here is the issue.

Edwards use of a homophobic slur and Rondo's situation came in private away from the team and league. Sarver did the things that he did on team property, in the full view of his employees, saying and doing things that created a racist, sexist work environment that had a terrible effect on his employees.

If you're the boss, if you are responsible for the professional environment and atmosphere of your employees, you take on the responsibility of providing healthy, inclusive and legal working conditions. Women shouldn't have to worry about going to work and being hit on by the boss, who could fire them for saying no. People of color shouldn't have to worry about going to work and hearing their boss using racist slurs, where bringing up he shouldn't do that could get you fired or moved to another team.

If you can't run your team giving your employees a proper healthy, inclusive and legal working place of employment, you shouldn't be allowed to own a team.

Do you really think that’s why Lebron has a bigger problem with it?

I really don't give a flying fig what Lebron thinks nor am I interested in trying to dive into his mind to figure out what he thinks.

That’s fair.  The response was just a bit confusing given the comment you quoted.  Personally I think physically assaulting a woman is much worse than making sexist and racially insensitive comments in the workplace, regardless of whether they occur on company property or not, and deserves much more outrage.  But they’re all bad.

See, for me, doing sexually explicit things while saying racist and sexist things in the workplace isn't anywhere near being as bad as being the owner of a business and doing sexually explicit things while saying racist and sexist things in the workplace. I one situation that guy gets reported to the boss and gets fired. In the other everyone that works in that workplace has to feel anxious, unsafe, insulted, uncomfortable, angry, racially violated, etc. because you can't go to the boss because he is the guy doing the disgusting things

Being an owner of any company, you take on the responsibility of making sure your employees can come to work in a comfortable, inclusive, safe, non-racist, non-homophobic, non-sexist, legally mandated environment. When you do things that created a working situation that isn't the above, you abdicate the right to own/run that company.

With great power comes great responsibility.

That's my issue.

I hear you and I agree. Though I would say some of that great responsibility falls on the athletes themselves as well bc of the large influence they have on the youth of America BUT in regards to comparing Sarver to Anthony Edwards, you’re right, fostering an environment of sexism and racial insensitivity is much worse than getting caught in one singular instance. I’d hope you don’t feel the same way about Rondo too bc you gave your speech about higher standards for company owners when someone mentioned him beating up his girl.

Rondo beat the crap out of his kids mother and had a gun drawn in the room with his kid, IIRC.  Physical abuse and having guns out around kids is a whole different realm of disgusting behavior than what Sarver did, I don’t care how he runs his company, physical abuse of women and children will always be worse than insensitive words.  Workplace or not, owner of a company or not.

Unfortunately I think our society has become accustomed to athletes behaving this way and because of that, there’s a lot less outrage.  It’s awful.

ANYWAY, that’s not what this thread is about and sorry I’ve steered the convo away a bit.  I just took a little bit of exception to the downplaying of what Rondo did.

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating that Edwards, Rondo are any better or worse than Sarver. I'm really not into measuring the amount of scuminess in people. Bad is bad. Rondo....bad. Sarver ...bad. Both should be properly punished. Rondo should be in jail if found guilty. Sarver should lose his team.

Nevermind, not worth it

[tenn_smoothie]

So ...... he REPEATED racial slurs in direct reference to someone else's use of the words.

He commented on the attractiveness of some female employees.

He yelled at employees on certain occasions (I assume he was not happy with their performance).

Is this an accurate description of his behavior ?

Not remotely.

Maybe a few of the things he did is common and acceptable in Tennessee, but it's not in most of the rest of the country.

Gosh Nicky, that is quite an ignorant comment.

My question was based on the official findings report listed in Roy's initial post.
I genuinely wanted to know exactly what the guy did since media reports and chat room rumors are so often inaccurate.

[gouki88]

So ...... he REPEATED racial slurs in direct reference to someone else's use of the words.

He commented on the attractiveness of some female employees.

He yelled at employees on certain occasions (I assume he was not happy with their performance).

Is this an accurate description of his behavior ?

Not remotely.

Maybe a few of the things he did is common and acceptable in Tennessee, but it's not in most of the rest of the country.

Gosh Nicky, that is quite an ignorant comment.

My question was based on the official findings report listed in Roy's initial post.
I genuinely wanted to know exactly what the guy did since media reports and chat room rumors are so often inaccurate.

Just asking questions, are ya?

[nickagneta]

So ...... he REPEATED racial slurs in direct reference to someone else's use of the words.

He commented on the attractiveness of some female employees.

He yelled at employees on certain occasions (I assume he was not happy with their performance).

Is this an accurate description of his behavior ?

Not remotely.

Maybe a few of the things he did is common and acceptable in Tennessee, but it's not in most of the rest of the country.

Gosh Nicky, that is quite an ignorant comment.

My question was based on the official findings report listed in Roy's initial post.
I genuinely wanted to know exactly what the guy did since media reports and chat room rumors are so often inaccurate.

Just asking questions, are ya?

Yeah, I'm not buying that either.

[Kernewek]

Appreciate a nice cutting comment as much as anyone, but we should keep this in mind, from the link (never seen the site before, love it, btw):

The subjective nature of this charge means that deploying it can be a very inflammatory move. One side may put forward the accusation that the other side is cynically "just asking questions" and believe that they are acting in bad faith, and the other side may equally strongly believe that they were asking genuine questions in good faith and the first person is the one acting in bad faith.

That said, it is important to keep in mind that what Sarver’s agreed to and what he’s accused of are two different things - but forming our opinions off of just what he’s agreed to seems silly.

[gouki88]

Appreciate a nice cutting comment as much as anyone, but we should keep this in mind, from the link (never seen the site before, love it, btw):

The subjective nature of this charge means that deploying it can be a very inflammatory move. One side may put forward the accusation that the other side is cynically "just asking questions" and believe that they are acting in bad faith, and the other side may equally strongly believe that they were asking genuine questions in good faith and the first person is the one acting in bad faith.

That said, it is important to keep in mind that what Sarver’s agreed to and what he’s accused of are two different things - but forming our opinions off of just what he’s agreed to seems silly.

Absolutely. I take past behaviour into account before just throwing that out there

[Moranis]

Appreciate a nice cutting comment as much as anyone, but we should keep this in mind, from the link (never seen the site before, love it, btw):

The subjective nature of this charge means that deploying it can be a very inflammatory move. One side may put forward the accusation that the other side is cynically "just asking questions" and believe that they are acting in bad faith, and the other side may equally strongly believe that they were asking genuine questions in good faith and the first person is the one acting in bad faith.

That said, it is important to keep in mind that what Sarver’s agreed to and what he’s accused of are two different things - but forming our opinions off of just what he’s agreed to seems silly.

The thing what he says he did is an actually crime.  He has admitted to pulling the pants of an employee down, as an example.  That is a crime.  He has acknowledged saying the N-word after told not to.  he has acknowledged sending **** and talking about female employees as well as his own male anatomy. 

What he has acknowledged is enough for him to be permanently banned, just based on the NBA's own prior precedent, i.e. Sterling. 

I'm a stickler for rules and consistency.  The NBA is not being consistent, putting the onus on the players, coaches, and other private businesses to apply the pressure that it should do itselft.  It was a weak move and a bad look and frankly the fact that they care so little about female employees, especially from the owner of a WNBA team, is just reprehensible.  Sarver needs to be forced out.  It is the only outcome that makes sense.

[ozgod]

I’m fine if he is forced to sell the team. I’m fine if he comes back in a year and doesn’t do any more bad behavior. I think this entered the zone of faux outrage with some virtue signaling. There are multiple players in the nba that have done worse things this off-season alone with half the outrage. Would be interesting if Lebron or Paul tweeted out “this has no place in our game” when rondo pulled a gun on his ex or bridges beat the hell out of a women. People join in and act outraged when it is low hanging fruit.

I think a lot of players view this through a racial lens.  I think that's what motivates some of the outrage here, moreso than in other events.  Although the report didn't find Sarver to be racist in his employment decisions, he did casually repeat racial slurs for their entertainment value, and there were allegations that the racial dynamics were tense with some of his black coaches.  My guess (I could be wrong) is that for Lebron, that's a more important topic than much of the other things complained about.

If Lebron has a bigger issue with a guy repeating a racial slur that someone else said compared to man beating the hell out of a woman that is extremely misguided.

Here is the issue.

Edwards use of a homophobic slur and Rondo's situation came in private away from the team and league. Sarver did the things that he did on team property, in the full view of his employees, saying and doing things that created a racist, sexist work environment that had a terrible effect on his employees.

If you're the boss, if you are responsible for the professional environment and atmosphere of your employees, you take on the responsibility of providing healthy, inclusive and legal working conditions. Women shouldn't have to worry about going to work and being hit on by the boss, who could fire them for saying no. People of color shouldn't have to worry about going to work and hearing their boss using racist slurs, where bringing up he shouldn't do that could get you fired or moved to another team.

If you can't run your team giving your employees a proper healthy, inclusive and legal working place of employment, you shouldn't be allowed to own a team.

Do you really think that’s why Lebron has a bigger problem with it?

I really don't give a flying fig what Lebron thinks nor am I interested in trying to dive into his mind to figure out what he thinks.

That’s fair.  The response was just a bit confusing given the comment you quoted.  Personally I think physically assaulting a woman is much worse than making sexist and racially insensitive comments in the workplace, regardless of whether they occur on company property or not, and deserves much more outrage.  But they’re all bad.

Yes, sometimes things are just wrong. Regardless of whether other people think certain things are more wrong than others, it shouldn't change the fact that something bad is bad. We shouldn't diminish one because of people's lack of response to the other.

[Donoghus]

I’m fine if he is forced to sell the team. I’m fine if he comes back in a year and doesn’t do any more bad behavior. I think this entered the zone of faux outrage with some virtue signaling. There are multiple players in the nba that have done worse things this off-season alone with half the outrage. Would be interesting if Lebron or Paul tweeted out “this has no place in our game” when rondo pulled a gun on his ex or bridges beat the hell out of a women. People join in and act outraged when it is low hanging fruit.

I think a lot of players view this through a racial lens.  I think that's what motivates some of the outrage here, moreso than in other events.  Although the report didn't find Sarver to be racist in his employment decisions, he did casually repeat racial slurs for their entertainment value, and there were allegations that the racial dynamics were tense with some of his black coaches.  My guess (I could be wrong) is that for Lebron, that's a more important topic than much of the other things complained about.

If Lebron has a bigger issue with a guy repeating a racial slur that someone else said compared to man beating the hell out of a woman that is extremely misguided.

Here is the issue.

Edwards use of a homophobic slur and Rondo's situation came in private away from the team and league. Sarver did the things that he did on team property, in the full view of his employees, saying and doing things that created a racist, sexist work environment that had a terrible effect on his employees.

If you're the boss, if you are responsible for the professional environment and atmosphere of your employees, you take on the responsibility of providing healthy, inclusive and legal working conditions. Women shouldn't have to worry about going to work and being hit on by the boss, who could fire them for saying no. People of color shouldn't have to worry about going to work and hearing their boss using racist slurs, where bringing up he shouldn't do that could get you fired or moved to another team.

If you can't run your team giving your employees a proper healthy, inclusive and legal working place of employment, you shouldn't be allowed to own a team.

Do you really think that’s why Lebron has a bigger problem with it?

I really don't give a flying fig what Lebron thinks nor am I interested in trying to dive into his mind to figure out what he thinks.

That’s fair.  The response was just a bit confusing given the comment you quoted.  Personally I think physically assaulting a woman is much worse than making sexist and racially insensitive comments in the workplace, regardless of whether they occur on company property or not, and deserves much more outrage.  But they’re all bad.

Yes, sometimes things are just wrong. Regardless of whether other people think certain things are more wrong than others, it shouldn't change the fact that something bad is bad. We shouldn't diminish one because of people's lack of response to the other.

Bingo.

[tenn_smoothie]

So ...... he REPEATED racial slurs in direct reference to someone else's use of the words.

He commented on the attractiveness of some female employees.

He yelled at employees on certain occasions (I assume he was not happy with their performance).

Is this an accurate description of his behavior ?

Not remotely.

Maybe a few of the things he did is common and acceptable in Tennessee, but it's not in most of the rest of the country.

Gosh Nicky, that is quite an ignorant comment.

My question was based on the official findings report listed in Roy's initial post.
I genuinely wanted to know exactly what the guy did since media reports and chat room rumors are so often inaccurate.

Just asking questions, are ya?

Yeah, I'm not buying that either.

I can always count on Nicky and Gouk to comment on my posts with their syrupy sweet moral indignation.

[nickagneta]

So ...... he REPEATED racial slurs in direct reference to someone else's use of the words.

He commented on the attractiveness of some female employees.

He yelled at employees on certain occasions (I assume he was not happy with their performance).

Is this an accurate description of his behavior ?

Not remotely.

Maybe a few of the things he did is common and acceptable in Tennessee, but it's not in most of the rest of the country.

Gosh Nicky, that is quite an ignorant comment.

My question was based on the official findings report listed in Roy's initial post.
I genuinely wanted to know exactly what the guy did since media reports and chat room rumors are so often inaccurate.

Just asking questions, are ya?

Yeah, I'm not buying that either.

I can always count on Nicky and Gouk to comment on my posts with their syrupy sweet moral indignation.

I was kinda going for the powder sugary sweet moral indignation, but I guess I came close enough. They're both great with pancakes.

But seriously tenn, if you were really asking a question, why phrase it in the manner a defense attorney would in trying to minimalize the type of abhorrent behavior Sarver has been proven to have committed? You sure phrased it as if you thought what he did was no big deal?