Patriots 2022 Season

[nickagneta]

Moranis just realized that the Pats are 3 wins away from having one of the worst takes of the year.

I've said for weeks they'd split with the Jets.  If they beat them in a couple of weeks that would change things.  I've been very consistent in my view of the Patriots i.e. they are bad offensive team that won't be able to keep up with the great offenses they play to close out the year.

I’ve enjoyed the back and forth and appreciate your consistency.

The schedule gets tougher, but you have the Pats losing 7 of their last 9 games. I think it’s reasonable for Pats fans to call this out.

I have no issue if Pats fans disagree, it is questioning my motives and the personal insults that aren't necessary and don't provide for good discourse. 

In a 17 game season, the schedule is just so important and I think the Patriots schedule down the stretch will prove too difficult for what I view as an overall bad team.  Maybe I'm wrong, but maybe I'm not.  The next couple of weeks will shed some light on that.

I think people are annoyed because you've constantly said they'll be a 6-win team (6-11) and predicted it, but you also keep moving the goalposts after each game. Do you disagree with that?

Yes I think they will be 6-11 at this point.  If they win games, I think they'd lose, I'd adjust upwards or if they lose games I thought they'd win, I'd adjust downward.  That is what you are supposed to do, adjust as results dictate it.

Or in other words.... change your stance and initial prediction when proven wrong so you can appear right later on.

Classic LarBrd33 move right there. State something very definitive while couching your stance every once in a while but arguing your point incessantly, then if proven wrong you can come back later and say you were right because of your very rare caveat you stated that couched your stance/comment/prediction.

[Moranis]

Moranis just realized that the Pats are 3 wins away from having one of the worst takes of the year.

I've said for weeks they'd split with the Jets.  If they beat them in a couple of weeks that would change things.  I've been very consistent in my view of the Patriots i.e. they are bad offensive team that won't be able to keep up with the great offenses they play to close out the year.

I’ve enjoyed the back and forth and appreciate your consistency.

The schedule gets tougher, but you have the Pats losing 7 of their last 9 games. I think it’s reasonable for Pats fans to call this out.

I have no issue if Pats fans disagree, it is questioning my motives and the personal insults that aren't necessary and don't provide for good discourse. 

In a 17 game season, the schedule is just so important and I think the Patriots schedule down the stretch will prove too difficult for what I view as an overall bad team.  Maybe I'm wrong, but maybe I'm not.  The next couple of weeks will shed some light on that.

I think people are annoyed because you've constantly said they'll be a 6-win team (6-11) and predicted it, but you also keep moving the goalposts after each game. Do you disagree with that?

Yes I think they will be 6-11 at this point.  If they win games, I think they'd lose, I'd adjust upwards or if they lose games I thought they'd win, I'd adjust downward.  That is what you are supposed to do, adjust as results dictate it.

Or in other words.... change your stance and initial prediction when proven wrong so you can appear right later on.

Classic LarBrd33 move right there. State something very definitive while couching your stance every once in a while but arguing your point incessantly, then if proven wrong you can come back later and say you were right because of your very rare caveat you stated that couched your stance/comment/prediction.

I won't claim I was right at the beginning of the year if they end up with 10 wins and a playoff birth, but it is dumb to keep with a prediction you no longer believe to be true just because you had it originally.  Right now, they are exactly where I thought they'd be.  I do think they will be 6-10 entering the Bills game (and if Buffalo sits everyone, they might pick that one up).  Obviously it is a long season and things can change very rapidly in the NFL.  An injury or two to key players and a team can go from the top seed in the conference to missing the playoffs like the Ravens did last year when Lamar got hurt. 

[celticsclay]

Moranis just realized that the Pats are 3 wins away from having one of the worst takes of the year.

I've said for weeks they'd split with the Jets.  If they beat them in a couple of weeks that would change things.  I've been very consistent in my view of the Patriots i.e. they are bad offensive team that won't be able to keep up with the great offenses they play to close out the year.

I’ve enjoyed the back and forth and appreciate your consistency.

The schedule gets tougher, but you have the Pats losing 7 of their last 9 games. I think it’s reasonable for Pats fans to call this out.

I have no issue if Pats fans disagree, it is questioning my motives and the personal insults that aren't necessary and don't provide for good discourse. 

In a 17 game season, the schedule is just so important and I think the Patriots schedule down the stretch will prove too difficult for what I view as an overall bad team.  Maybe I'm wrong, but maybe I'm not.  The next couple of weeks will shed some light on that.

I think people are annoyed because you've constantly said they'll be a 6-win team (6-11) and predicted it, but you also keep moving the goalposts after each game. Do you disagree with that?

Yes I think they will be 6-11 at this point.  If they win games, I think they'd lose, I'd adjust upwards or if they lose games I thought they'd win, I'd adjust downward.  That is what you are supposed to do, adjust as results dictate it.

Or in other words.... change your stance and initial prediction when proven wrong so you can appear right later on.

Classic LarBrd33 move right there. State something very definitive while couching your stance every once in a while but arguing your point incessantly, then if proven wrong you can come back later and say you were right because of your very rare caveat you stated that couched your stance/comment/prediction.

This is the post of the year right here cause it is a very good comparison and actions anyone on any forum would find frustrating. If you scroll through this thread you can see people just constantly admitting they were wrong. I thought the bears were giving the cowboys all they could handle. Then they bears and I just laughed at myself cause my take immediately aged poorly. It would be completely stupid if I said well they were giving them all they could handle and was right until the cowboys scored 17 straight.

[celticsclay]

Also if you are looking at the schedule honestly, without major injuries or something crazy the patriots will be favored at home against the colts, at home against the jets, at Oakland. They will be either slight favorites or pickems at home against cinci, at home against Miami and possibly slight dogs at arizona depending how far arizona continues to fall currently 3-5 with wins against raiders, Carolina and New Orleans. Nobody in good faith can look at that schedule and think they only win two games barring some crazy happening.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

Also if you are looking at the schedule honestly, without major injuries or something crazy the patriots will be favored at home against the colts, at home against the jets, at Oakland. They will be either slight favorites or pickems at home against cinci, at home against Miami and possibly slight dogs at arizona depending how far arizona continues to fall currently 3-5 with wins against raiders, Carolina and New Orleans. Nobody in good faith can look at that schedule and think they only win two games barring some crazy happening.

Good faith isn’t the important aspect of creating hot takes. Agenda based debate is the name of the game on TV, so why would it be any different online?

[Larry for 3]

The pats are fortunate. If the Jets had a competent QB they win by 10 yesterday. They’re in last place, they’re not good football team. 9-8 @ best. Probably 7 or 8 wins. I could see 6. They won’t beat a good team at all and Jones is not the answer. I guess he’s better than Wilson. But is that saying much after what you saw yesterday?

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

The pats are fortunate. If the Jets had a competent QB they win by 10 yesterday. They’re in last place, they’re not good football team. 9-8 @ best. Probably 7 or 8 wins. I could see 6. They won’t beat a good team at all and Jones is not the answer. I guess he’s better than Wilson. But is that saying much after what you saw yesterday?

This is a measured take. I agree that the Pats aren’t good, at least on paper. Zach Wilson stinks and the Pats lose to many teams yesterday. Mac Jones is not playing well, and has been bailed out by Stevenson and their run blocking. That was a good D line that they ran over.

The Patriots defense, however, despite their lack of brand name talent, is good. Their head coach is excellent. I see 7-8 wins as a floor and 10 wins as a ceiling.

[Neurotic Guy]

The pats are fortunate. If the Jets had a competent QB they win by 10 yesterday. They’re in last place, they’re not good football team. 9-8 @ best. Probably 7 or 8 wins. I could see 6. They won’t beat a good team at all and Jones is not the answer. I guess he’s better than Wilson. But is that saying much after what you saw yesterday?

Well I don’t know if that makes them fortunate. If the Pats had Patrick Mahomes they’d have won by more. 
I think 7-9 wins is the likely range.  But I don’t think it’s impossible that Mac improves over the coming weeks. I think that happens if the O-line can protect him. O-line needs bolstering. Mac has tools. His decision-making needs to be better.  He also needs more time.

[celticsclay]

I would like us to add beckham.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I'm happy for the win, but boy do I despise the "Field Goals ’R Us" stuff. Way too much stalling out in the red zone.

And I agree with those who said it's a good thing the Jets only have Zach Wilson. The D made some good plays, but Wilson is terrible and just handed NE the ball a couple of times.

This team has miles to go, though I'm thankful they have Folk and Stevenson.

[Vermont Green]

I would like us to add beckham.

Unless Beckham can pass protect, I don't see him being much help.

[nickagneta]

For all the people that have the Pats' as being bad and going nowhere, if the Cleveland-Cincinnati score upholds, the Pats' will have the same record as last year's AFC champion, only one half game out of the last playoff spot.

Parity is very real in the NFL this year and future losses to any teams at this time, except maybe the top two in each conference, should not be considered guarantees. And even then, stuff happens.

As someone famous once said: "Anything is possible!" Especially in the NFL this year.

[Phantom255x]

For all the people that have the Pats' as being bad and going nowhere, if the Cleveland-Cincinnati score upholds, the Pats' will have the same record as last year's AFC champion, only one half game out of the last playoff spot.

Parity is very real in the NFL this year and future losses to any teams at this time, except maybe the top two in each conference, should be considered guarantees. And even then, stuff happens.

As someone famous once said: "Anything is possible!" Especially in the NFL this year.

Yep. With the Bengals loss yesterday, the Pats are now the 8th seed in the AFC and basically just 1 game back of seeds 4-7 in the AFC (who are all 5-3 record-wise).

This team has a lot of flaws but this is also why I think they'll be in the hunt for a playoff spot most of the season. Obviously you have Buffalo and Kansas City. But after that can anyone definitively say who the next 4-5 best teams in the AFC are? Good luck lol. I thought CIN was rounding into form and could have been the 3rd best but idk after last night. Baltimore and Cincy are teams that have great games, but then letdowns mixed in too so it's hard to say.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

For all the people that have the Pats' as being bad and going nowhere, if the Cleveland-Cincinnati score upholds, the Pats' will have the same record as last year's AFC champion, only one half game out of the last playoff spot.

Parity is very real in the NFL this year and future losses to any teams at this time, except maybe the top two in each conference, should be considered guarantees. And even then, stuff happens.

As someone famous once said: "Anything is possible!" Especially in the NFL this year.

Yep. With the Bengals loss yesterday, the Pats are now the 8th seed in the AFC and basically just 1 game back of seeds 4-7 in the AFC (who are all 5-3 record-wise).

This team has a lot of flaws but this is also why I think they'll be in the hunt for a playoff spot most of the season. Obviously you have Buffalo and Kansas City. But after that can anyone definitively say who the next 4-5 best teams in the AFC are? Good luck lol. I thought CIN was rounding into form and could have been the 3rd best but idk after last night. Baltimore and Cincy are teams that have great games, but then letdowns mixed in too so it's hard to say.

Moranis can definitely predict what will happen in the AFC. He’s a “proponent of schedules”.

The Pats need to show more in order to make the playoffs. They can do it, but not playing this way.

Buff
KC
Bal
Tenn

After that, who knows. The Dolphins, Chargers, Cincy, NYJ, and yes, even the Patriots could do this.

The problem with predicting is that we’re wrong…. a lot. There are a lot of teams that should have been good and aren’t.

[Donoghus]

AFC is Buffalo & Kansas City then everybody else.  I think there is a significant gap btw those two teams and the rest of the conference even after the Ravens trade yesterday.  Barring injuries, one of those two teams is going to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.

Pats schedule is going to get rough.  A wild card is a possibility but I think it'll be an uphill climb.  However, I certainly think they're better than a 6 win ceiling team.