Patriots 2022 Season

[Vermont Green]

People are complaining about Mac’s ego and psyche. I just don’t care. I think Zappe may be better, and most likely, neither are the long term answer. Are Cowboys fans bummed that Cooper Rush isn’t being treated like royalty?

I like Mac, but he’s not that good. He doesn’t deserve royal treatment.

Funny, I don’t recall seeing posts like this last year when Mac had 22TD’s and threw for almost 4,000 yards, making the pro bowl. Looked pretty darn good as a rookie with McDaniels running the offense. Players are already losing faith in the coaching staff, but I guess some fans never will.

Speaking with reporters after the Patriots’ 33-14 loss to the Chicago Bears at Gillette Stadium, Meyers was asked whether he was surprised to see rookie Bailey Zappe replace Jones at quarterback early in the second quarter.

“Yeah,” New England’s No. 1 receiver replied. “But that’s the NFL for you. It’s a fast-changing business.”

“Not even as a football player, it’s tough as a man to see somebody who worked so hard get that kind of treatment,” he said. “But at the end of the day, we’re all trying to feed our families, so we’ve got to go out there and make plays for whoever’s throwing it.”

There is no doubt that Mac Jones was much better last season than so far this season.  It could be the McDaniels change is a factor but even with that, Mac Jones has not been as good.  So you are right, I was not complaining last season, but this is this season, I am worried about how Jones is playing.  I still start him next game for sure (assuming the ankle is fine).  It is tough to play looking over your shoulder though.  Although he wasn't good at the start of the season when he wasn't looking over his shoulder either.  He has gone from maybe too comfortable to now just the opposite.

I understand it isn't easy but he needs to find the mental toughness to deal with this.  Get through it.  Get his mojo back.  Find the groove.  Don't try to do too much, don't play scared either.  Just play.  I don't know if he has it or not.  This is a chance for him to prove ti.

Again, no mention of the coaching staff. Pats were terrible in all 3 phases of the game yesterday. A QB controversy was created by the coaching staff. This is essentially the same team the Pats had last year that went 11-7 and you’d never know it by how they look.

Not sure I follow.  I did specifically mention McDaniels leaving.  Are you saying it was bad coaching that led to Mac Jones throwing that lame duck pass into triple coverage?  Both things can be true.  Jones is not playing as well as last season.  He is not making the reads.  He is not as accurate.  The coaching or play calling or preparation or whatever is probably worse than last year too.  I don't see that directly on the field though so it is hard to judge.  I just see how Mac Jones is playing.  And that isn't so hard to judge.  He isn't playing as well as last season.

Yes, because Mac throwing the 1 Int early on in the 2nd Q was the reason for the Patriots losing the game…Had nothing to do with the NE being terrible not only on offense, but on defense and special teams as well. Zappe was not very good either. The current coaching staff is the biggest problem with this team. It amazes me how so many fans refuse to put any blame on Bill. Will be really interesting to see what Kraft does if this keeps up.

I think the bold is the key.  If this keeps up.  Belichick as a coach/GM has been successful for 20+ years.  Even last season, they made the playoffs.  This season, they were starting to look pretty good until last night.  The Steelers have been good every year under Tomlin but they aren't so good this season either.  Should you "blame" Tomlin or give him the benefit of the doubt.  Maybe the game has finally passed by Belichick.  Maybe it was always Brady covering up for a mediocre coach.  But if you are weighing Mac Jones, a player with one pretty good season, against Belichick, a coach with 20 years of hall of fame coaching, yeah, I am inclined to stick with Bill.

As to last night, I blame the coaching staff for that mess.  But I have seen that before and then had the team figure it out a few games later and make it to the super bowl.  Mac Jones played badly though.  He has played worse than last season all of this season.  I am not suggesting to give up Mac, in fact I think they should start him next game.  Give him all the reps during the practices.  I am not giving up on Belichick either though.  And of the two, I have more concern with Jones than I do with Belichick.  I have seen Belichick have the wheels fall off but be able to put them back on.  The wheels have fallen off Jones this season.  I have some doubt or concern he can get his wheels back on.  He has earned the chance to play though this though, to a point.  He should be the #1 QB this week.  Maybe that changes in a couple of weeks, we'll see.

[gouki88]

I love the Pats and like Mac. I’m not buying into the idea that he’s a Pro Bowl QB. He was an alternate, and was coached up better than most to become the best rookie QB. Even though last year’s QB class looks overrated, I’m still not certain he was the best out of that group.

Lawrence-meh
Wilson-meh
Lance- might be a bust
Fields- who knows
Mac- meh
Mills (HOU)- meh

A young star he is not.

This comes off to me as trying to cover for crap coaching. Mac was a good QB last year before we downgraded our OC, lost our best O-lineman, and shunned some of our receiving talent.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I love the Pats and like Mac. I’m not buying into the idea that he’s a Pro Bowl QB. He was an alternate, and was coached up better than most to become the best rookie QB. Even though last year’s QB class looks overrated, I’m still not certain he was the best out of that group.

Lawrence-meh
Wilson-meh
Lance- might be a bust
Fields- who knows
Mac- meh
Mills (HOU)- meh

A young star he is not.

This comes off to me as trying to cover for crap coaching. Mac was a good QB last year before we downgraded our OC, lost our best O-lineman, and shunned some of our receiving talent.

I was less impressed by Mac last year and those stats. He’s a game manager and at this point in his career, probably won’t be winning too many games for the Pats by himself. I feel the same way about Zappe. They’re both outside of the top 20 qbs in the game, in my eyes. So are the other QBs drafted last year (maybe besides Lawrence) in my opinion.

I think this Patricia/Judge split is dumb. I don’t know why the coaching staff is the way it is.

Sure, the O-line is beat up. Going forward, a lot of teams are going to have injuries.

Mac is fine. So is Zappe. There’s no reason to panic and get rid of them, but neither has guaranteed a role on this team, in my eyes.

[celticsclay]

I love the Pats and like Mac. I’m not buying into the idea that he’s a Pro Bowl QB. He was an alternate, and was coached up better than most to become the best rookie QB. Even though last year’s QB class looks overrated, I’m still not certain he was the best out of that group.

Lawrence-meh
Wilson-meh
Lance- might be a bust
Fields- who knows
Mac- meh
Mills (HOU)- meh

A young star he is not.

This comes off to me as trying to cover for crap coaching. Mac was a good QB last year before we downgraded our OC, lost our best O-lineman, and shunned some of our receiving talent.

I was less impressed by Mac last year and those stats. He’s a game manager and at this point in his career, probably won’t be winning too many games for the Pats by himself. I feel the same way about Zappe. They’re both outside of the top 20 qbs in the game, in my eyes. So are the other QBs drafted last year (maybe besides Lawrence) in my opinion.

I think this Patricia/Judge split is dumb. I don’t know why the coaching staff is the way it is.

Sure, the O-line is beat up. Going forward, a lot of teams are going to have injuries.

Mac is fine. So is Zappe. There’s no reason to panic and get rid of them, but neither has guaranteed a role on this team, in my eyes.

I agree with you about most of this especially about our qbs being average at best, and probably below. I do think you are being a little harsh on last years qbs. Lawrence has been quite a bit better without the disaster of urban Meyer (and he still has average weapons). I also think wilson is gonna be pretty solid. I think lance is probably a bust. Fields is impossible to judge at this point.

[Phantom255x]

A lot of the roster is the same and we saw Mac Jones have a very solid season especially for a rookie.

So what's the biggest change that's likely affected things? Oh that's right, letting McDaniels go and basically replacing him with those BOZOS Patricia + Judge. Those guys definitely aren't capable of helping a QB develop and sadly we're seeing it now.

Mac certainly has his flaws/limitations, but I'm sorry I don't know how someone who looked good last season suddenly looks bad and also lost/lacking confidence in a span of a season. And unlike previous years where you see McDaniels on the sideline coaching up Brady, Hoyer, Brissett, Garoppolo, etc. I don't see any of that now, it's just Mac and the offense mostly sitting amongst themselves.

Btw, notice how good the Giants look with Judge no longer there? And I know the Lions are still bad but you can tell they love their coach and they still had some exciting stretches here or there. The Lions currently have Goff at QB too while Patricia had Stafford. If they still had Stafford now there's no doubt in my mind they'd be solid too, but Goff is just not a good QB either.

[nickagneta]

A lot of the roster is the same and we saw Mac Jones have a very solid season especially for a rookie.

So what's the biggest change that's likely affected things? Oh that's right, letting McDaniels go and basically replacing him with those BOZOS Patricia + Judge. Those guys definitely aren't capable of helping a QB develop and sadly we're seeing it now.

Mac certainly has his flaws/limitations, but I'm sorry I don't know how someone who looked good last season suddenly looks bad and also lost/lacking confidence in a span of a season. And unlike previous years where you see McDaniels on the sideline coaching up Brady, Hoyer, Brissett, Garoppolo, etc. I don't see any of that now, it's just Mac and the offense mostly sitting amongst themselves.

Btw, notice how good the Giants look with Judge no longer there? And I know the Lions are still bad but you can tell they love their coach and they still had some exciting stretches here or there. The Lions currently have Goff at QB too while Patricia had Stafford. If they still had Stafford now there's no doubt in my mind they'd be solid too, but Goff is just not a good QB either.

Were you constantly complaining about how horrible McDaniels was?

If not, for those that did, and there were many here, it just shows, careful what you wish for.

[Moranis]

A lot of the roster is the same and we saw Mac Jones have a very solid season especially for a rookie.

So what's the biggest change that's likely affected things? Oh that's right, letting McDaniels go and basically replacing him with those BOZOS Patricia + Judge. Those guys definitely aren't capable of helping a QB develop and sadly we're seeing it now.

Mac certainly has his flaws/limitations, but I'm sorry I don't know how someone who looked good last season suddenly looks bad and also lost/lacking confidence in a span of a season. And unlike previous years where you see McDaniels on the sideline coaching up Brady, Hoyer, Brissett, Garoppolo, etc. I don't see any of that now, it's just Mac and the offense mostly sitting amongst themselves.

Btw, notice how good the Giants look with Judge no longer there? And I know the Lions are still bad but you can tell they love their coach and they still had some exciting stretches here or there. The Lions currently have Goff at QB too while Patricia had Stafford. If they still had Stafford now there's no doubt in my mind they'd be solid too, but Goff is just not a good QB either.

I know people thought i was being dishonest, but I truly believe the 3 pass game was incredibly detrimental and the the turning point.  The Pats have been a significantly different team since that game.  I mean the Patriots told the world that they didn't have faith in their QB and it seems like the team listened to that. And then they pulled that stunt last week, benching him, but claiming they weren't.  The Patriots have not been treating Jones like he is their future. They have in fact done the opposite.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

A lot of the roster is the same and we saw Mac Jones have a very solid season especially for a rookie.

So what's the biggest change that's likely affected things? Oh that's right, letting McDaniels go and basically replacing him with those BOZOS Patricia + Judge. Those guys definitely aren't capable of helping a QB develop and sadly we're seeing it now.

Mac certainly has his flaws/limitations, but I'm sorry I don't know how someone who looked good last season suddenly looks bad and also lost/lacking confidence in a span of a season. And unlike previous years where you see McDaniels on the sideline coaching up Brady, Hoyer, Brissett, Garoppolo, etc. I don't see any of that now, it's just Mac and the offense mostly sitting amongst themselves.

Btw, notice how good the Giants look with Judge no longer there? And I know the Lions are still bad but you can tell they love their coach and they still had some exciting stretches here or there. The Lions currently have Goff at QB too while Patricia had Stafford. If they still had Stafford now there's no doubt in my mind they'd be solid too, but Goff is just not a good QB either.

I know people thought i was being dishonest, but I truly believe the 3 pass game was incredibly detrimental and the the turning point.  The Pats have been a significantly different team since that game.  I mean the Patriots told the world that they didn't have faith in their QB and it seems like the team listened to that. And then they pulled that stunt last week, benching him, but claiming they weren't.  The Patriots have not been treating Jones like he is their future. They have in fact done the opposite.

Eh, I was ok with last week’s decision. Apparently Belichick made the call that Mac wasn’t healthy enough after watching him in the first quarter. Wouldn’t it be a bad move to keep him in there to possibly get hurt more? I think it’s clear that Bill thought Mac was more capable than he was.

[Phantom255x]

A lot of the roster is the same and we saw Mac Jones have a very solid season especially for a rookie.

So what's the biggest change that's likely affected things? Oh that's right, letting McDaniels go and basically replacing him with those BOZOS Patricia + Judge. Those guys definitely aren't capable of helping a QB develop and sadly we're seeing it now.

Mac certainly has his flaws/limitations, but I'm sorry I don't know how someone who looked good last season suddenly looks bad and also lost/lacking confidence in a span of a season. And unlike previous years where you see McDaniels on the sideline coaching up Brady, Hoyer, Brissett, Garoppolo, etc. I don't see any of that now, it's just Mac and the offense mostly sitting amongst themselves.

Btw, notice how good the Giants look with Judge no longer there? And I know the Lions are still bad but you can tell they love their coach and they still had some exciting stretches here or there. The Lions currently have Goff at QB too while Patricia had Stafford. If they still had Stafford now there's no doubt in my mind they'd be solid too, but Goff is just not a good QB either.

Were you constantly complaining about how horrible McDaniels was?

If not, for those that did, and there were many here, it just shows, careful what you wish for.

The only times I complained about McDaniels were on two occasions:

1. When it was like a 3rd and 15 and he'd call a draw play or screen that easily got snuffed out instead of actually trying for a 1st down

2. When we'd be in the redzone (especially 1st and goal situations) and for some reason we'd have 2 running plays up the middle that went nowhere and then it's a "3rd and long" basically which killed a drive and we had to settle for FGs

Btw, that 2nd point has still been true this year for some reason.

I never called for McDaniels job and he wasn't perfect, but he was dang good at his job and clearly you saw QBs and the offense improve with him. I don't consider it a small thing that Belichick (and probably Brady) fought to keep him from Indy back in 2018.

One thing I didn't realize though was that once we did let McDaniels walk, we'd replace him with Patricia and Judge (YUCK). If it were someone like Bill O'Brien or someone similar I might not have minded too much

[nickagneta]

A lot of the roster is the same and we saw Mac Jones have a very solid season especially for a rookie.

So what's the biggest change that's likely affected things? Oh that's right, letting McDaniels go and basically replacing him with those BOZOS Patricia + Judge. Those guys definitely aren't capable of helping a QB develop and sadly we're seeing it now.

Mac certainly has his flaws/limitations, but I'm sorry I don't know how someone who looked good last season suddenly looks bad and also lost/lacking confidence in a span of a season. And unlike previous years where you see McDaniels on the sideline coaching up Brady, Hoyer, Brissett, Garoppolo, etc. I don't see any of that now, it's just Mac and the offense mostly sitting amongst themselves.

Btw, notice how good the Giants look with Judge no longer there? And I know the Lions are still bad but you can tell they love their coach and they still had some exciting stretches here or there. The Lions currently have Goff at QB too while Patricia had Stafford. If they still had Stafford now there's no doubt in my mind they'd be solid too, but Goff is just not a good QB either.

Were you constantly complaining about how horrible McDaniels was?

If not, for those that did, and there were many here, it just shows, careful what you wish for.

The only times I complained about McDaniels were on two occasions:

1. When it was like a 3rd and 15 and he'd call a draw play or screen that easily got snuffed out instead of actually trying for a 1st down

2. When we'd be in the redzone (especially 1st and goal situations) and for some reason we'd have 2 running plays up the middle that went nowhere and then it's a "3rd and long" basically which killed a drive and we had to settle for FGs

Btw, that 2nd point has still been true this year for some reason.

I never called for McDaniels job and he wasn't perfect, but he was dang good at his job and clearly you saw QBs and the offense improve with him. I don't consider it a small thing that Belichick (and probably Brady) fought to keep him from Indy back in 2018.

One thing I didn't realize though was that once we did let McDaniels walk, we'd replace him with Patricia and Judge (YUCK). If it were someone like Bill O'Brien or someone similar I might not have minded too much

Guy I would love to see get the job is local boy Joe Philbin, but don't see that happening as he is a Mike McCarthy guy. (BTW, I'ld like to see this happen for selfish reasons as I am good friends with his brother and it would irk his brother to no end because his brother HATES the Patriots. Hehehe, I can be such an ass sometimes!)

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I feel like I’m missing something here…. The Patriots have an unprecedented 20 year run and now they are clearly rebuilding. They are 3-4 with below average QB play and an average (at best) roster. They’re not set up to win the Super Bowl this year or next year.

Why are people targeting them? Why does Moranis post more about the Pats than his Ravens, a team with higher expectations? Are Houston Texans and Jacksonville Jaguars fans this impatient? Do some forget the Patriots before 1992? They used to suck year after year.

[Goldstar88]

I feel like I’m missing something here…. The Patriots have an unprecedented 20 year run and now they are clearly rebuilding. They are 3-4 with below average QB play and an average (at best) roster. They’re not set up to win the Super Bowl this year or next year.

Why are people targeting them? Why does Moranis post more about the Pats than his Ravens, a team with higher expectations? Are Houston Texans and Jacksonville Jaguars fans this impatient? Do some forget the Patriots before 1992? They used to suck year after year.

They did have an unprecedented run with Tom, However, Pats are now 3 years post Brady and the team seems to be regressing from last year. The fans (and the owner) want to see progress and a competitive team. This is year 3 of the rebuild and NE spent a ton of money the off-season before last on FA’s. At some point you have to hold the coaching staff/management accountable for what is currently taking place on the field.

[Goldstar88]

Patricia’s play calling is so bad.

[Phantom255x]

 This defense is absolute garbage

[SparzWizard]

Back when the Pats always used to pummel the Jets. Now the Jets are having their way with us. At least so far in the first half