Who do we keep off the VSL team?

[Vermont Green]

I did not get to see Trevion Williams play all that much.  He just didn't seem to play when I tuned in to the SL games.  But sometimes these athletic big players just are a beat slow in reaction time as compared to the speed of the game.  It doesn't matter how fast they can run or how high they can jump if their reactions are not at the speed of the game.  Kind of like how in baseball, you need to get a good "jump on the ball" as an outfielder.  It is just a natural ability that some have and some don't.

I don't know for sure if this is the case but based on what people are describing, that would be my fear.

[Surferdad]

I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.

Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.

Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.

Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Only $100K guaranteed for Kornet at this point. C's can eat that if somebody else better comes along -- though not sure T Williams is that guy.

[Vermont Green]

So to recap where we stand:

Starters:     Smart,        Brown,       Tatum,      Horford,    Williams
Back Up:     White,        Brogdon,    ______,    Grant,       Gallinari
Insurance:   Pritchard,   _______,   Hauser,      ______,    Kornet

This is lining things up in the very traditional way and having 2 exact back ups for each of the traditional slots (which never happens).  First, I don't think Kornet will survive and he will likely be cut and replaced at some point along the way (he has a very small guarantee).  He is probably just keeping the spot warm.

The insurance Guard/Wing/SG/2 (Brown/Brodon's insurance, call it what you want) will likely be a prospect as will be the insurance big/PF slot (maybe Kabengele).  In my mind, we still have a need at the back up Forward/Wing/SF/3 (again, call it what you want but Tatum's direct back up).  We don't absolutely need to fill that.  Brogdon could take that and Pritchard could be the back up SG but to me, Brogdon is perfect more as a versatile 2 guard and Hauser is not quite ready for regular minutes if it was needed.  I would like to see a vet brought in who is a natural forward/wing and who is better than Hauser.

And I know, Gallinari isn't a natural Center but no roster lines up perfectly.  I think the starting and back up bigs are set, what we still have to do is fill the insurance slots.  It could end up that Grant becomes the insurance, Gallinari the back up PF, and someone new the Back up C, but I doubt it.   If it did end up that way, our insurance 5 would be Pritchard, Thomas (maybe), Hauser, Grant, Kornet.  That is really solid depth.

[gouki88]

So to recap where we stand:

Starters:     Smart,        Brown,       Tatum,      Horford,    Williams
Back Up:     White,        Brogdon,    ______,    Grant,       Gallinari
Insurance:   Pritchard,   _______,   Hauser,      ______,    Kornet

This is lining things up in the very traditional way and having 2 exact back ups for each of the traditional slots (which never happens).  First, I don't think Kornet will survive and he will likely be cut and replaced at some point along the way (he has a very small guarantee).  He is probably just keeping the spot warm.

The insurance Guard/Wing/SG/2 (Brown/Brodon's insurance, call it what you want) will likely be a prospect as will be the insurance big/PF slot (maybe Kabengele).  In my mind, we still have a need at the back up Forward/Wing/SF/3 (again, call it what you want but Tatum's direct back up).  We don't absolutely need to fill that.  Brogdon could take that and Pritchard could be the back up SG but to me, Brogdon is perfect more as a versatile 2 guard and Hauser is not quite ready for regular minutes if it was needed.  I would like to see a vet brought in who is a natural forward/wing and who is better than Hauser.

And I know, Gallinari isn't a natural Center but no roster lines up perfectly.  I think the starting and back up bigs are set, what we still have to do is fill the insurance slots.  It could end up that Grant becomes the insurance, Gallinari the back up PF, and someone new the Back up C, but I doubt it.   If it did end up that way, our insurance 5 would be Pritchard, Thomas (maybe), Hauser, Grant, Kornet.  That is really solid depth.

I think it will be more like:

Starters:     Smart,        Brown,       Tatum,      Horford,    Williams
Back Up:     Pritchard,    White,      Brogdon,    Grant,       Gallinari
Insurance:   _______,  _______,   Hauser,      ______,    Kornet

[liam]

I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.

Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.

Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.

Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Travion is so slow he makes Kornet look like Garnett.

Are you kidding? Travion is a much better athlete than Kornet. See clip below. He’s running the fast break and dribbling like a guard. Luke could never do that.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O5dZUGXdZfk

His first step quickness is slow though.  There were times in the summer league when guys blew by him like he wasn’t even there.  He has a nice post game, but he won’t get much of a chance to use that.  His passing was fun to watch, but he’s not a rim defender, doesn’t play above the rim, and is a poor shooter (he shot under 60% on free throws all four years of college.). I don’t think he’s an NBA player.

No lateral quickness.

[liam]

I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.

Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.

Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.

Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Travion is so slow he makes Kornet look like Garnett.

This is just patently false

He's Kanter quick...
 

[gouki88]

I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.

Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.

Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.

Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Travion is so slow he makes Kornet look like Garnett.

This is just patently false

He's Kanter quick...
 

As is Kornet

[G-Bones]

I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.

Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.

Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.

Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Travion is so slow he makes Kornet look like Garnett.

Are you kidding? Travion is a much better athlete than Kornet. See clip below. He’s running the fast break and dribbling like a guard. Luke could never do that.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O5dZUGXdZfk

His first step quickness is slow though.  There were times in the summer league when guys blew by him like he wasn’t even there.  He has a nice post game, but he won’t get much of a chance to use that.  His passing was fun to watch, but he’s not a rim defender, doesn’t play above the rim, and is a poor shooter (he shot under 60% on free throws all four years of college.). I don’t think he’s an NBA player.

No lateral quickness.

He seemed slow on defense, IMO.

[liam]

I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.

Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.

Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.

Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Travion is so slow he makes Kornet look like Garnett.

This is just patently false

He's Kanter quick...
 

As is Kornet

Not that it's much of a brag but Kornet is way faster than either of those guys and he's 7'2".

[Goldstar88]

I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.

Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.

Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.

Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Travion is so slow he makes Kornet look like Garnett.

This is just patently false

He's Kanter quick...
 

As is Kornet

Not that it's much of a brag but Kornet is way faster than either of those guys and he's 7'2".

He’s really not, though.  If he was as good of an athlete at 7’2” as you are stating, he’d actually play in NBA games vs spending the whole year in Maine. He is in his late 20’s and has no upside at this point. Just a waste of a roster spot.

[gouki88]

I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.

Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.

Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.

Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Travion is so slow he makes Kornet look like Garnett.

This is just patently false

He's Kanter quick...
 

As is Kornet

Not that it's much of a brag but Kornet is way faster than either of those guys and he's 7'2".

Please, show me some footage of Kornet's fabled mobility. He is as slow as anyone

[liam]

I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.

Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.

Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.

Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Travion is so slow he makes Kornet look like Garnett.

This is just patently false

He's Kanter quick...
 

As is Kornet

Not that it's much of a brag but Kornet is way faster than either of those guys and he's 7'2".

Please, show me some footage of Kornet's fabled mobility. He is as slow as anyone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf3GuNq8MnI

[jay]

12.  Khem Birch
13. David Nwaba
14.  Brodric Thomas
15.  Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele


What if they used the remaining TPE's for Khem Birch and David Nwaba?   Birch makes 6.67 and Nwaba 5. 

I know that puts things much deeper into the luxury tax. Second question would be could they be traded at the deadline in a salary dump? Then replaced with vet minimum contracts (any veteran that may be cut after the deadline) in order to save money against the tax?

[Roy H.]

12.  Khem Birch
13. David Nwaba
14.  Brodric Thomas
15.  Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele


What if they used the remaining TPE's for Khem Birch and David Nwaba?   Birch makes 6.67 and Nwaba 5. 

I know that puts things much deeper into the luxury tax. Second question would be could they be traded at the deadline in a salary dump? Then replaced with vet minimum contracts (any veteran that may be cut after the deadline) in order to save money against the tax?

I'm a little confused.  Why trade for them now, only to trade them later and sign vet minimum players?

Why not just sign the minimum players now, and keep the existing TPEs?

[jay]

I guess im trying to ask if thats a way to circumvent the tax.  Trade for expensive players to use as veteran bench help but trade them away near the end of the season to keep the payroll low.