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Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
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Kabengelie has been signed to a two-way, according to a couple of sources.

Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2022, 01:28:10 AM »

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Play Kabengele a lot and let him eat up regular season minutes, while saving Al for the playoffs.
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Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
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Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
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Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2022, 08:19:32 AM »

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I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.
Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2022, 10:04:07 AM »

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2 way contract players aren’t eligible for the playoffs right? Let’s say Kabengele breaks out and plays really well under Al’s tutelage, can his 2 way be converted into a regular contract to make him playoffs eligible?

Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2022, 10:21:01 AM »

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I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.
Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.

Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2022, 10:46:00 AM »

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I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.
Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.
Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.

Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2022, 06:01:27 PM »

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I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.
Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.
Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.
Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.
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Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2022, 06:10:52 PM »

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I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.
Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.
Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.
Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.
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Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2022, 06:24:20 PM »

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I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.
Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.
Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.
Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Travion is so slow he makes Kornet look like Garnett.

Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2022, 07:46:35 PM »

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I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.
Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.
Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.
Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Travion is so slow he makes Kornet look like Garnett.

Are you kidding? Travion is a much better athlete than Kornet. See clip below. He’s running the fast break and dribbling like a guard. Luke could never do that.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O5dZUGXdZfk
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Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2022, 07:52:39 PM »

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I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.
Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.
Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.
Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Travion is so slow he makes Kornet look like Garnett.
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Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2022, 08:04:53 PM »

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I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.
Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.
Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.
Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Travion is so slow he makes Kornet look like Garnett.

Are you kidding? Travion is a much better athlete than Kornet. See clip below. He’s running the fast break and dribbling like a guard. Luke could never do that.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O5dZUGXdZfk

His first step quickness is slow though.  There were times in the summer league when guys blew by him like he wasn’t even there.  He has a nice post game, but he won’t get much of a chance to use that.  His passing was fun to watch, but he’s not a rim defender, doesn’t play above the rim, and is a poor shooter (he shot under 60% on free throws all four years of college.). I don’t think he’s an NBA player.

Re: Who do we keep off the VSL team?
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2022, 08:53:04 PM »

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I think as it stands, we have 3 regular roster spots open plus Kornet on a very lightly guaranteed contract.  Others have pointed this out that Kornet isn't really on the roster.  I think they can cut him and only pay $100,000 or something like that.  So if someone beats out Kornet, there will be no hesitation to open that roster spot back up to add the player.  Based on this, I call it 4 roster spots and 1 2-way to be filled.

My feeling (maybe my hope) is that Kornet is just insurance for the insurance big.  For example is we were to sign Whiteside, I believe Kornet would very likely be cut. Definitely agree. If they do not sign a vet big, Kornet probably hangs on.  My prediction (again, maybe hope) is as follows:

12.  Whiteside Please no, I intensely dislike Whiteside's game and attitude.  That said, replace his name with Nerlens or Dwight and your point is still valid.
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (I prefer Thomas) See this is where I struggle, I like all 3.  Seems like Thomas has the inside track having been with the team all last year.  However, you can't ignore Ryan's shooting.
15.  Kabengele or Kornet

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele or some other promising PF/C

The key is to sign the vet big and the vet wing.  To me, the rest doesn't matter nearly as much but I am fine filling up the final spots with "prospects".  For example, it makes no difference to me whether it is Kornet on the roster and Kabengele as a 2-way or Kabengele on the roster and some other prospect on the 2-way.
Good post, TP for the summary.  Now that Kab is signed I made a few edits and comments above.

I think you may have mixed up the strike through on Kornet as he still seems to have the 15th spot.  If it is true that Brodric Thomas was offered a 2-way, that indicates to me that the Celtics prefer him to Matt Ryan.  Justin Jackson may not be eligible for a 2-way.  The only reason that Thomas would decline a 2-way is if he thinks he can get a full roster spot.

12.  Whiteside
13.  Vet Wing (not sure who but I hope they can find someone to fit this role that is better than Hauser or Justin Jackson)
14.  Brodric Thomas or Justin Jackson or Matt Ryan (Brodric Thomas may have been offered a 2-way and declined)
15.  Kornet (for now)

2-way  Davison
2-way  Kabengele

2-ways can be elevated to full roster spots during the season.  So if they wanted Kabengele on the playoff roster, just cut someone (probably Kornet) and elevate Kabengele's contract to regular roster.

It seems like the Celtics are working from 1-11 but then flipping and working from the bottom up to 12.  Kornet could be considered 14 or 15 but it seems they are holding spots 12 and 13 to be sure they don't miss out on any useful vets that may become available.
Actually, I didn't. Even though technically Kornet is still on the roster, I was following your lead that he is very likely to be cut.  I crossed him off, but I think you changed the cross-out back to Kabengele.
Why would Kornet be likely to be cut? They just resigned him.

Cause he sucks and has no upside at 27. He’s good at being tall. Believe his contract is not guaranteed or only a small amount is. Would rather take a flier on Travion Williams.

Travion is so slow he makes Kornet look like Garnett.

Are you kidding? Travion is a much better athlete than Kornet. See clip below. He’s running the fast break and dribbling like a guard. Luke could never do that.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O5dZUGXdZfk

His first step quickness is slow though.  There were times in the summer league when guys blew by him like he wasn’t even there.  He has a nice post game, but he won’t get much of a chance to use that.  His passing was fun to watch, but he’s not a rim defender, doesn’t play above the rim, and is a poor shooter (he shot under 60% on free throws all four years of college.). I don’t think he’s an NBA player.

I mean, he is a PF. Do you think Grant or Al have quick first steps? Kornet certainly doesn’t. Travion seems to still be working on his conditioning, but he’s definitely lost weight since college and had several alley-oops and a few blocked shots in the limited minutes he played in summer league. He also shot 80% from the FT line is SL and seems to have a decent stroke.

Travion played 14mpg in summer league and averaged: 7.4pts, 6.6rebs, 1.8ast while shooting 46% from the field, 25% from 3pt and 80% from the line. If he played 28mpg vs the 14 would he have averaged 14.8pts, 13.2rebs and 3.6ast? Probably not, but he’s certainly a better prospect at 21 years old than Kornet, who isn’t even a prospect anymore.



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