Is Grant a goner? (Yes: Traded to DAL for second rounders)

[Roy H.]

I don't know about the upcoming CBA, but it sounds like the middle class players may be hurt the most. Unfortunately for Grant, he's in the lower middle class. Then again, it may benefit the Celtics if they want to keep him.

That is what is going to happen. I'm surprised the NBAPA didn't foresee it.

It's what happened in the NFL. QBs and WRs making crazy money while everyone else salary going down or staying the same.

The lower middle class get by…. on 10M a year.  Now that’s crazy — a 24 year old guy who spends half the game seated and whose ceiling may not be much higher than present getting a 3/30M (or so) contract.   I get the point of salaries being lopsided in favor of the top, but a middle class NBA player still makes a whole lot of money.

They do, but I have a feeling that number will be crunched even more than the $10million once the new CBA kicks in fully. the NBA thinks this will spread salaries throughout the league with stars being more spread out and less "stacked rosters"

what will probably happen is the stars will still get their supermax and max contracts. You aren't going to let a Giannis or Tatum leave. and then the teams now having less cap to work with around the league will all offer peanuts to the guys remaining. It will lead to a depressed market for those guys. they'll be fine. but I don't think it will have the effect people think it will.

It's already starting. Grant william wanted $20million last year. he will be lucky to get $10million this year. and in a year or two? maybe $5-6million. Not bad money. but the stars will still make their $50-60million

this happened in the NFL. Teams just prioritized what positions to pay. and in turn other positions markets got depressed. it's created more of a divide in the salaries. not less.

Time will tell, but traditionally only about a quarter or less of the league exceeds the luxury tax.  That still leaves 20 to 23 teams each year that will have either cap space of the full MLE ($12+ million).  I think that's going to sustain the "middle class".  I do think that more guys will be pushed into accepting minimum salaries (because the very top teams will lose even the taxpayer MLE, and roster spots need to go somewhere), but I think most rotation players will be able to get similar or better contracts than what they're getting now.

[Vermont Green]

I don't know about the upcoming CBA, but it sounds like the middle class players may be hurt the most. Unfortunately for Grant, he's in the lower middle class. Then again, it may benefit the Celtics if they want to keep him.

It does seem that way.  A year ago, people like Jordan Poole were getting 4 years, $123M.  Now Grant is going to have trouble getting half that, or a third of that.  I could see a short contract for Grant favoring both.

As to Grant defending Giannis, I think people make too much of this as a singular thing.  The point is that Grant CAN defend Giannis and a pretty broad range of other players.  That is part of what makes him a useful player.  A lot of bench players couldn't be trusted to provide even average defense against Giannis.

[Roy H.]

Given that Grant Williams seemingly fell out of favor and Boston is staring down a tricky luxury-tax crunch, it’s possible the Celtics won’t be willing to match an offer sheet in the mid-to-high teens. The Cavs are monitoring the situation and Williams likely won’t have as many suitors as fellow restricted free agents Bridges, Johnson, Rui Hachimura or even P.J. Washington. – via Chris Fedor @ Cleveland Plain Dealer

Mid-to-high teens?  I should hope not.

[Goldstar88]

Given that Grant Williams seemingly fell out of favor and Boston is staring down a tricky luxury-tax crunch, it’s possible the Celtics won’t be willing to match an offer sheet in the mid-to-high teens. The Cavs are monitoring the situation and Williams likely won’t have as many suitors as fellow restricted free agents Bridges, Johnson, Rui Hachimura or even P.J. Washington. – via Chris Fedor @ Cleveland Plain Dealer

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Mid-to-high teens?  I should hope not.

Right, because those guys are better players. Lol.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Given that Grant Williams seemingly fell out of favor and Boston is staring down a tricky luxury-tax crunch, it’s possible the Celtics won’t be willing to match an offer sheet in the mid-to-high teens. The Cavs are monitoring the situation and Williams likely won’t have as many suitors as fellow restricted free agents Bridges, Johnson, Rui Hachimura or even P.J. Washington. – via Chris Fedor @ Cleveland Plain Dealer

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Mid-to-high teens?  I should hope not.

Right, because those guys are better players. Lol.

Kuzma too

[wdleehi]

How much of this is going to be decided by the textbook teams were just given yesterday?

[keevsnick]

I don't know about the upcoming CBA, but it sounds like the middle class players may be hurt the most. Unfortunately for Grant, he's in the lower middle class. Then again, it may benefit the Celtics if they want to keep him.

That is what is going to happen. I'm surprised the NBAPA didn't foresee it.

It's what happened in the NFL. QBs and WRs making crazy money while everyone else salary going down or staying the same.

The lower middle class get by…. on 10M a year.  Now that’s crazy — a 24 year old guy who spends half the game seated and whose ceiling may not be much higher than present getting a 3/30M (or so) contract.   I get the point of salaries being lopsided in favor of the top, but a middle class NBA player still makes a whole lot of money.

They do, but I have a feeling that number will be crunched even more than the $10million once the new CBA kicks in fully. the NBA thinks this will spread salaries throughout the league with stars being more spread out and less "stacked rosters"

what will probably happen is the stars will still get their supermax and max contracts. You aren't going to let a Giannis or Tatum leave. and then the teams now having less cap to work with around the league will all offer peanuts to the guys remaining. It will lead to a depressed market for those guys. they'll be fine. but I don't think it will have the effect people think it will.

It's already starting. Grant william wanted $20million last year. he will be lucky to get $10million this year. and in a year or two? maybe $5-6million. Not bad money. but the stars will still make their $50-60million

this happened in the NFL. Teams just prioritized what positions to pay. and in turn other positions markets got depressed. it's created more of a divide in the salaries. not less.

Time will tell, but traditionally only about a quarter or less of the league exceeds the luxury tax.  That still leaves 20 to 23 teams each year that will have either cap space of the full MLE ($12+ million).  I think that's going to sustain the "middle class".  I do think that more guys will be pushed into accepting minimum salaries (because the very top teams will lose even the taxpayer MLE, and roster spots need to go somewhere), but I think most rotation players will be able to get similar or better contracts than what they're getting now.

Ya I'm skeptical as well that this will hurt the middle class. What it will do is make SOME middle class players chose between taking less to be on some top end competing teams with tax apron issue and taking more to play on lower end teams that now need to reach the salary floor. But as you say a vats majority of teams don't have that worry, and a vast majority of players don't get that choice anyway.

[boscel33]

"The Celtics have extended a qualifying offer to Grant Williams making him a restricted free agent, according to
@JaredWeissNBA."

The first move is made.

[Kernewek]

Interesting. Means we don't have the taxpayer MLE I believe.

[Celtics2021]

Interesting. Means we don't have the taxpayer MLE I believe.

I think that would be true if he signs the QO, but not while he’s a free agent, as we can still renounce it if we were to use the MLE instead.  But it is a signal the Celtics will not bind themselves to the second apron.

[Surferdad]

"The Celtics have extended a qualifying offer to Grant Williams making him a restricted free agent, according to
@JaredWeissNBA."

The first move is made.

Time to start the guessing game as to what the maximum offer is that they will match. $12mill seems about right to me

[Birdman]

Over 12 million I let him go..got others FAs out there who u can get cheaper like Prince

[Kernewek]

Interesting. Means we don't have the taxpayer MLE I believe.

I think that would be true if he signs the QO, but not while he’s a free agent, as we can still renounce it if we were to use the MLE instead.  But it is a signal the Celtics will not bind themselves to the second apron.

You're correct - if we rescind the offer we will have the MLE available.

[Vermont Green]

The QO is the first tangible signal.  They could still sign and trade Grant (and potentially use the MLE), but I doubt that they would rescind it.

My guess is that there is not going to be that much money out there for Grant.  The landscape has changed plus I think his value dropped back down a little.  $10M+ is a pretty big offer for Grant in this climate in my mind, and the Celtics would match that.  I don't see anyone offering enough that the Celtics wouldn't match.

I am going to predict he signs a short deal at or near the QO, with some player favorable opt outs or whatever they are, so he can get back into the market when he wants to and hopefully have a more favorable landscape.

[PAOBoston]

Last summer, it was rumored Grant turned down a $50 mil deal extension. Then he goes out and negotiates a CBA that squeezes players like him on top of playing like poo in a contract year. Rough stuff there.