Report: Celtics still looking to utilize trade exception?

[Birdman]

I do that trade in a second but doubt Jazz would trade Vanderbilt..love see him on the Celtics

[slamtheking]

We've got four days to use the TPE.  Here's a list of guys that realistically could available for a second rounder and salary relief:

Rudy Gay
Josh Richardson
Jeff Green
Malik Beasley
Doug McDermott
Jordan Clarkson
Patrick Beverly
Terrence Ross
Derrick Favors
Jae Crowder
Danny Green (injured)
Dario Saric
Mason Plumlee (maybe)
JaMychal Green
Torrey Craig
Boban Marjanovic

Salaries (not always accurate) can be found here:  https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

How many of these would you expect to be actually playable in the playoffs?  Jae Crowder certainly, Danny Green I guess if healthy.  Jordan Clarkson (is he going take minutes from White)?  Josh Richardson probably?  It is hard to gauge this but in order to play in the playoffs, a player would have to beat out someone in the top 8?  Maybe 9?  So that means beat out White or Grant?

Not many.  Plumlee could, perhaps, depending on the matchup and the health of our bigs.  Richardson could carve out some minutes.  Most of those guys would add quality regular season depth and spot minutes in the playoffs, but I don't think Ime would rely on many.

And, that's the rub.  Take a guy like Rudy Gay.  If the cost was "only" $6 million to add him, he's probably worth it for leadership and depth alone.  But, with luxury tax adding him really adds about $30 million in payroll, maybe more.  If Wyc and Pags don't want to spend $30 million on a guy who is unlikely to play a lot, I totally get it.

I think the key is that picking up someone from that list is more about providing depth to get through the regular season rather than looking for someone to provide meaningful minutes in the playoffs (unless they're really doing well during the season where they can provide good playoff minutes then it's yippee for us). 

[Vermont Green]

I think we are all saying more or less the same thing.  I see possible final roster spots in 3 broad categories:

1.  Glorified G-Leaguers  (No expectation of useful minutes)
2.  Useful Vets on Min Contracts  (expect "insurance" regular season minutes)
3.  Rotation players fitting a TPE  (regular rotation (top 8 ) with some play in playoffs)

It is worth adding say $10M of salary for a player that makes the top 8 better.  Gallinari and Brogdon fit this.  At this point, there is not much need or opportunity to improve the top 8.  It is not worth to pay this much it for an insurance player though.  We should not pay more than vet min or a small equivalent TPE for this level of player.  I hope the team will add an insurance big at least and it wouldn't hurt to add an insurance wing.

We will also fill a couple of slots with glorified G-Leaguers, hopefully ones that have some real upside promise.  That is not necessarily a bad thing.  We want a win now mentality but you can do that and still have a couple of slots at the end of the bench for this level of player.  Kornet probably does not fit the upside promise part of this.  He is a little better than a glorified G-Leaguer but not quite a useful insurance big.  I am fine with him on the roster, so long as we do add that legit insurance big too.

[Vermont Green]

Jazz get:
Derrick White

Celtics get:
Malik Beasley
Jarred Vanderbilt

Well thought out trade.  I agree with you that White is probably the better individual player over Beasley and we don't really need Vanderbilt unless we trade Grant but this does roll over the TPE which has a fair amount of value in my mind.  This is a trade that targets improving the top 8 rotation (or at least changing it).

So you do essentially a lateral trade (at best) but get an $18M TPE for a year.

Beasley is a very one dimensional but that one dimension (3PT shooting) is extremely valuable.  I bet Ainge likes him and probably doesn't do this trade without us adding a pick.

[JBcat]

I do that trade in a second but doubt Jazz would trade Vanderbilt..love see him on the Celtics

I would love Vanderbilt on the Celtics as well. Intense defensive player, good rebounder, and some surprising playmaking ability. Since he’s more of a true PF, maybe you would play Horford more at the 5 when you mix and match the bigs.

[footey]

Jazz get:
Derrick White

Celtics get:
Malik Beasley
Jarred Vanderbilt

Well thought out trade.  I agree with you that White is probably the better individual player over Beasley and we don't really need Vanderbilt unless we trade Grant but this does roll over the TPE which has a fair amount of value in my mind.  This is a trade that targets improving the top 8 rotation (or at least changing it).

So you do essentially a lateral trade (at best) but get an $18M TPE for a year.

Beasley is a very one dimensional but that one dimension (3PT shooting) is extremely valuable.  I bet Ainge likes him and probably doesn't do this trade without us adding a pick.

Seems like Jazz would have little interest in White, as they are blowing things up and accumulating a lot of draft picks.  Starting over, not adding a dude who just turned 28. I know, that is not old, but it is not young by NBA standards.  Sad but true. Trade makes sense from Celtics perspective.

[perks-a-beast]

We've got four days to use the TPE.  Here's a list of guys that realistically could available for a second rounder and salary relief:

Rudy Gay
Josh Richardson
Jeff Green
Malik Beasley
Doug McDermott
Jordan Clarkson
Patrick Beverly
Terrence Ross
Derrick Favors
Jae Crowder
Danny Green (injured)
Dario Saric
Mason Plumlee (maybe)
JaMychal Green
Torrey Craig
Boban Marjanovic

Salaries (not always accurate) can be found here:  https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

Saric is still a binky of mine. I would be ecstatic if he was our backup center.

[boscel33]

We've got four days to use the TPE.  Here's a list of guys that realistically could available for a second rounder and salary relief:

Rudy Gay
Josh Richardson
Jeff Green
Malik Beasley
Doug McDermott
Jordan Clarkson
Patrick Beverly
Terrence Ross
Derrick Favors
Jae Crowder
Danny Green (injured)
Dario Saric
Mason Plumlee (maybe)
JaMychal Green
Torrey Craig
Boban Marjanovic

Salaries (not always accurate) can be found here:  https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

Saric is still a binky of mine. I would be ecstatic if he was our backup center.

I think, of this list, Favors would be my guy.

[Vermont Green]

Jazz get:
Derrick White

Celtics get:
Malik Beasley
Jarred Vanderbilt

Well thought out trade.  I agree with you that White is probably the better individual player over Beasley and we don't really need Vanderbilt unless we trade Grant but this does roll over the TPE which has a fair amount of value in my mind.  This is a trade that targets improving the top 8 rotation (or at least changing it).

So you do essentially a lateral trade (at best) but get an $18M TPE for a year.

Beasley is a very one dimensional but that one dimension (3PT shooting) is extremely valuable.  I bet Ainge likes him and probably doesn't do this trade without us adding a pick.

Seems like Jazz would have little interest in White, as they are blowing things up and accumulating a lot of draft picks.  Starting over, not adding a dude who just turned 28. I know, that is not old, but it is not young by NBA standards.  Sad but true. Trade makes sense from Celtics perspective.

I agree and that is why I suggested we would have to add a pick.  Ainge wouldn't necessarily keep White.  He can scoop up another pick and have a different asset to trade later, potentially with more value than Beasley.

[gouki88]

We've got four days to use the TPE.  Here's a list of guys that realistically could available for a second rounder and salary relief:

Rudy Gay
Josh Richardson
Jeff Green
Malik Beasley
Doug McDermott
Jordan Clarkson
Patrick Beverly
Terrence Ross
Derrick Favors
Jae Crowder
Danny Green (injured)
Dario Saric
Mason Plumlee (maybe)
JaMychal Green
Torrey Craig
Boban Marjanovic

Salaries (not always accurate) can be found here:  https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

The only guy on that list that I’ve been coming back to in my head for the last couple of days is Malik Beasley.  But at $15 million, I can’t see the Celtics going that high, and with the addition of Brogdon I don’t see th fit unless we traded away White.  I’m pretty sure I’d prefer White to Beasley.  If the Celtics and Jazz both agreed White was the more valuable player, then this is my proposal:

Jazz get:
Derrick White

Celtics get:
Malik Beasley
Jarred Vanderbilt

In addition to Beasley, the Celtics get the last big for their roster in Vanderbilt, who was solid for Minnesota last year.  The net payroll add is small, about $2 million more than adding a big for the minimum.  Further, the Celtics can make this trade using the Fournier TPE for Beasley and either the Schröder or Hernangomez TPE for Vanderbilt, giving them a new Derrick White TPE that expire next July.

I’m not sold on this idea myself because I like White more than Beasley (both on court and off), but it’s possible Brogdon and Beasley make for a more diverse backup guard rotation than Brogdon and White, so in that way the fit could be better.  And Vanderbilt would be a good add as well — maybe he should just be the target of a smaller deal, and not Beasley.

I would be absolutely in on this. Vanderbilt's strengths are different to Grant (rebounding) and Gallo (defence), which would make for interesting bench potential.

I love Malik Beasley. Since he started getting regular minutes he's basically been a 13/3/2 guy with really good shooting. I doubt he would get the opportunity to be a 20ppg guy like he was before (and might be in a post-Mitchell Utah), but he would add some bench shooting and scoring.

[mobilija]

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When on the 18th does the TPE expire?

[Roy H.]

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When on the 18th does the TPE expire?

Keith Smith suggested the deadline is midnight of the 19th.

[celticsclay]

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When on the 18th does the TPE expire?

Keith Smith suggested the deadline is midnight of the 19th.

I would be pretty shocked if used it at this point. Feel like we already here at least some rumblings.

[hwangjini_1]

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When on the 18th does the TPE expire?

Keith Smith suggested the deadline is midnight of the 19th.

hmmmm... a seemingly ongoing ambiguity in English. by "midnight of the 19th" do you mean that at 11:59 pm on july 19th the TPE is still valid? or 11:59 pm on the 18th?

[Roy H.]

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When on the 18th does the TPE expire?

Keith Smith suggested the deadline is midnight of the 19th.

hmmmm... a seemingly ongoing ambiguity in English. by "midnight of the 19th" do you mean that at 11:59 pm on july 19th the TPE is still valid? or 11:59 pm on the 18th?

11:59pm on the 18th.  At the stroke of midnight it disappears.