Report: Celtics still looking to utilize trade exception?

[JSD]

I would take anyone with a $13+ million dollar expiring at this point.  It buys time and gives us an asset at the next deadline

Kelly is 12.1M
Everyone else wants a first.

I’m with you my friend, check my post history, I’ve been saying grab Kelly for months

My point isn't to argue for Kelly. The argument is 30M in tax worth it?

Yes. It opens up future trade possibility, and the Celtics front office needs to do everything they can to put this team in position to add to this title contending group.

Utilizing this large TPE is a must. Lacob would do it without question. This Celtics team is worth billions, this group bought the C’s for a fraction of what it’s worth now. Do it!

So bring in a player you don't need on a $12M contract so that maybe you can trade him again (at a cost of something) and get a TPE that you may not ever use?

Now if Detroit is offering Olynyk and a first for a second, that is potentially different.  And I get that this type of transaction could allow the Celtics to reset the TPE (well, it would be down to $12M).

I do not blame the owners for not doing this though, assuming that they do bring in a reasonably useful big on a min contract (or use a much smaller TPE).  If they don't do anything or only add G-Leaguers, then maybe I complain.

Why would it be a TPE you trade Kelly for? It could be to match salaries, with say, White, to bring in a John Collins and filler. Having a short term $12 million contract at your disposal is an asset in that sense.

[nickagneta]

Does this work:

To Detroit: TPE and 1 or 2 second rounders
To Utah: White and Olynyk and 1st rounders
To Boston: Donovan Mitchell

Boston goes with 1 big lineup

Mitchell/Pritchard
Smart/Brogdon
Brown/Grant/Hauser
Tatum/Gallo
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Of course, Pritchard probably gets minimal minutes with Mitchell, Smart and Brogdon eating up the guard minutes.

Yeah, this wouldn't happen and might make for too many chefs stirring the pot, but it's an idea

[Roy H.]

Does this work:

To Detroit: TPE and 1 or 2 second rounders
To Utah: White and Olynyk and 1st rounders
To Boston: Donovan Mitchell

Boston goes with 1 big lineup

Mitchell/Pritchard
Smart/Brogdon
Brown/Grant/Hauser
Tatum/Gallo
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Of course, Pritchard probably gets minimal minutes with Mitchell, Smart and Brogdon eating up the guard minutes.

Yeah, this wouldn't happen and might make for too many chefs stirring the pot, but it's an idea

No, at least in the short term.  It’s aggregating salaries / TPE.

[nickagneta]

Does this work:

To Detroit: TPE and 1 or 2 second rounders
To Utah: White and Olynyk and 1st rounders
To Boston: Donovan Mitchell

Boston goes with 1 big lineup

Mitchell/Pritchard
Smart/Brogdon
Brown/Grant/Hauser
Tatum/Gallo
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Of course, Pritchard probably gets minimal minutes with Mitchell, Smart and Brogdon eating up the guard minutes.

Yeah, this wouldn't happen and might make for too many chefs stirring the pot, but it's an idea

No, at least in the short term.  It’s aggregating salaries / TPE.

Even if done in separate simultaneous trades? The TPE and 2nd rounders for Olynyk. Then move Olynyk and White to Utah.

[Vermont Green]

I would take anyone with a $13+ million dollar expiring at this point.  It buys time and gives us an asset at the next deadline

Kelly is 12.1M
Everyone else wants a first.

I’m with you my friend, check my post history, I’ve been saying grab Kelly for months

My point isn't to argue for Kelly. The argument is 30M in tax worth it?

Yes. It opens up future trade possibility, and the Celtics front office needs to do everything they can to put this team in position to add to this title contending group.

Utilizing this large TPE is a must. Lacob would do it without question. This Celtics team is worth billions, this group bought the C’s for a fraction of what it’s worth now. Do it!

So bring in a player you don't need on a $12M contract so that maybe you can trade him again (at a cost of something) and get a TPE that you may not ever use?

Now if Detroit is offering Olynyk and a first for a second, that is potentially different.  And I get that this type of transaction could allow the Celtics to reset the TPE (well, it would be down to $12M).

I do not blame the owners for not doing this though, assuming that they do bring in a reasonably useful big on a min contract (or use a much smaller TPE).  If they don't do anything or only add G-Leaguers, then maybe I complain.

Why would it be a TPE you trade Kelly for? It could be to match salaries, with say, White, to bring in a John Collins and filler. Having a short term $12 million contract at your disposal is an asset in that sense.

It wouldn't have to be a TPE of course but I don't see Olynyk bringing back any player of value.  Olynyk at $12M is not exactly an asset.  It could be trade ballast but then all you can expect to get back is ballast.  Even paired with White, that is $30M, could bring back up to say $37M, but no one is going to trade a good $35M'ish player for Olynyk and White.  The best you are going to do is end up with is a player on a contract that the other team doesn't want.  I don't see this helping the cause.  That is why I think the best you can hope for is a future TPE that at least has the advantage of not expiring for another year.  Kelly provides a half year of insurance, you trade him at the deadline to escape the tax, and you have another TPE to work with moving forward.  Or if RWill is injured and out for some period, maybe you keep Olynyk, not that he can replace Rob though.

[Roy H.]

Does this work:

To Detroit: TPE and 1 or 2 second rounders
To Utah: White and Olynyk and 1st rounders
To Boston: Donovan Mitchell

Boston goes with 1 big lineup

Mitchell/Pritchard
Smart/Brogdon
Brown/Grant/Hauser
Tatum/Gallo
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Of course, Pritchard probably gets minimal minutes with Mitchell, Smart and Brogdon eating up the guard minutes.

Yeah, this wouldn't happen and might make for too many chefs stirring the pot, but it's an idea

No, at least in the short term.  It’s aggregating salaries / TPE.

Even if done in separate simultaneous trades? The TPE and 2nd rounders for Olynyk. Then move Olynyk and White to Utah.

You can’t aggregate KO’s salary for two months after acquiring him.

So, if Utah would wait until September to make the trade work, it would be legal.

[JSD]

I would take anyone with a $13+ million dollar expiring at this point.  It buys time and gives us an asset at the next deadline

Kelly is 12.1M
Everyone else wants a first.

I’m with you my friend, check my post history, I’ve been saying grab Kelly for months

My point isn't to argue for Kelly. The argument is 30M in tax worth it?

Yes. It opens up future trade possibility, and the Celtics front office needs to do everything they can to put this team in position to add to this title contending group.

Utilizing this large TPE is a must. Lacob would do it without question. This Celtics team is worth billions, this group bought the C’s for a fraction of what it’s worth now. Do it!

So bring in a player you don't need on a $12M contract so that maybe you can trade him again (at a cost of something) and get a TPE that you may not ever use?

Now if Detroit is offering Olynyk and a first for a second, that is potentially different.  And I get that this type of transaction could allow the Celtics to reset the TPE (well, it would be down to $12M).

I do not blame the owners for not doing this though, assuming that they do bring in a reasonably useful big on a min contract (or use a much smaller TPE).  If they don't do anything or only add G-Leaguers, then maybe I complain.

Why would it be a TPE you trade Kelly for? It could be to match salaries, with say, White, to bring in a John Collins and filler. Having a short term $12 million contract at your disposal is an asset in that sense.

It wouldn't have to be a TPE of course but I don't see Olynyk bringing back any player of value.  Olynyk at $12M is not exactly an asset.  It could be trade ballast but then all you can expect to get back is ballast.  Even paired with White, that is $30M, could bring back up to say $37M, but no one is going to trade a good $35M'ish player for Olynyk and White.  The best you are going to do is end up with is a player on a contract that the other team doesn't want.  I don't see this helping the cause.  That is why I think the best you can hope for is a future TPE that at least has the advantage of not expiring for another year.  Kelly provides a half year of insurance, you trade him at the deadline to escape the tax, and you have another TPE to work with moving forward.  Or if RWill is injured and out for some period, maybe you keep Olynyk, not that he can replace Rob though.

Time and time again we have seen filler salary traded with multiple draft picks for a major asset. We just saw this with Rudy Gobert.

Use that TPE, Wyc.

[nickagneta]

Does this work:

To Detroit: TPE and 1 or 2 second rounders
To Utah: White and Olynyk and 1st rounders
To Boston: Donovan Mitchell

Boston goes with 1 big lineup

Mitchell/Pritchard
Smart/Brogdon
Brown/Grant/Hauser
Tatum/Gallo
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Of course, Pritchard probably gets minimal minutes with Mitchell, Smart and Brogdon eating up the guard minutes.

Yeah, this wouldn't happen and might make for too many chefs stirring the pot, but it's an idea

No, at least in the short term.  It’s aggregating salaries / TPE.

Even if done in separate simultaneous trades? The TPE and 2nd rounders for Olynyk. Then move Olynyk and White to Utah.

You can’t aggregate KO’s salary for two months after acquiring him.

So, if Utah would wait until September to make the trade work, it would be legal.

So they could come to the understanding of completing the proposed trade, complete the Olynyk deal then finish off the trade with Utah before the season starts. Given a trade the C's made weeks ago just got completed, I could still see it happening if the three teams wanted to do it.

[slamtheking]

Does this work:

To Detroit: TPE and 1 or 2 second rounders
To Utah: White and Olynyk and 1st rounders
To Boston: Donovan Mitchell

Boston goes with 1 big lineup

Mitchell/Pritchard
Smart/Brogdon
Brown/Grant/Hauser
Tatum/Gallo
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Of course, Pritchard probably gets minimal minutes with Mitchell, Smart and Brogdon eating up the guard minutes.

Yeah, this wouldn't happen and might make for too many chefs stirring the pot, but it's an idea

No, at least in the short term.  It’s aggregating salaries / TPE.

Even if done in separate simultaneous trades? The TPE and 2nd rounders for Olynyk. Then move Olynyk and White to Utah.

You can’t aggregate KO’s salary for two months after acquiring him.

So, if Utah would wait until September to make the trade work, it would be legal.

So they could come to the understanding of completing the proposed trade, complete the Olynyk deal then finish off the trade with Utah before the season starts. Given a trade the C's made weeks ago just got completed, I could still see it happening if the three teams wanted to do it.

can't see that as enough for Utah and I don't see them kicking in a first to move KO.  like the general idea though

[ozgod]

Forsberg reporting that based on his interview with Brad, using a big chunk of the TPE seems unlikely.

Using a big chunk of the Fournier TPE seems unlikely

The Celtics have until July 18 to use the $17.1 million Evan Fournier trade exception. But after the big splurge to add Brogdon, and with a payroll that’s already $20 million over the tax line, it feels unlikely that Boston would use more than a small chunk of that TPE before it vaporizes.

Stevens insisted the team had the OK from ownership to spend if it meant adding the right player but also noted the potential to use other available TPEs later in the season.

"I think the bottom line is, and obviously we have not only a trade exception now but trade exceptions that we can use again towards the trade deadline, and that's all about just finding the right deal,” said Stevens. "If it's the right trade to be made, we have the green light to do that.”

Stevens repeatedly stressed a desire to add without taking away, which seemingly makes it unlikely that Boston would want to send out rotational pieces to facilitate any sort of grand addition.

The Celtics could ponder using a tiny slice of the TPE to acquire another body if they didn’t like available free agents on a minimum contract.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/brad-stevens-reveals-plan-rest-celtics-roster-construction

[Roy H.]

We've got four days to use the TPE.  Here's a list of guys that realistically could available for a second rounder and salary relief:

Rudy Gay
Josh Richardson
Jeff Green
Malik Beasley
Doug McDermott
Jordan Clarkson
Patrick Beverly
Terrence Ross
Derrick Favors
Jae Crowder
Danny Green (injured)
Dario Saric
Mason Plumlee (maybe)
JaMychal Green
Torrey Craig
Boban Marjanovic

Salaries (not always accurate) can be found here:  https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

[Vermont Green]

We've got four days to use the TPE.  Here's a list of guys that realistically could available for a second rounder and salary relief:

Rudy Gay
Josh Richardson
Jeff Green
Malik Beasley
Doug McDermott
Jordan Clarkson
Patrick Beverly
Terrence Ross
Derrick Favors
Jae Crowder
Danny Green (injured)
Dario Saric
Mason Plumlee (maybe)
JaMychal Green
Torrey Craig
Boban Marjanovic

Salaries (not always accurate) can be found here:  https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

How many of these would you expect to be actually playable in the playoffs?  Jae Crowder certainly, Danny Green I guess if healthy.  Jordan Clarkson (is he going take minutes from White)?  Josh Richardson probably?  It is hard to gauge this but in order to play in the playoffs, a player would have to beat out someone in the top 8?  Maybe 9?  So that means beat out White or Grant?

[Roy H.]

We've got four days to use the TPE.  Here's a list of guys that realistically could available for a second rounder and salary relief:

Rudy Gay
Josh Richardson
Jeff Green
Malik Beasley
Doug McDermott
Jordan Clarkson
Patrick Beverly
Terrence Ross
Derrick Favors
Jae Crowder
Danny Green (injured)
Dario Saric
Mason Plumlee (maybe)
JaMychal Green
Torrey Craig
Boban Marjanovic

Salaries (not always accurate) can be found here:  https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

How many of these would you expect to be actually playable in the playoffs?  Jae Crowder certainly, Danny Green I guess if healthy.  Jordan Clarkson (is he going take minutes from White)?  Josh Richardson probably?  It is hard to gauge this but in order to play in the playoffs, a player would have to beat out someone in the top 8?  Maybe 9?  So that means beat out White or Grant?

Not many.  Plumlee could, perhaps, depending on the matchup and the health of our bigs.  Richardson could carve out some minutes.  Most of those guys would add quality regular season depth and spot minutes in the playoffs, but I don't think Ime would rely on many.

And, that's the rub.  Take a guy like Rudy Gay.  If the cost was "only" $6 million to add him, he's probably worth it for leadership and depth alone.  But, with luxury tax adding him really adds about $30 million in payroll, maybe more.  If Wyc and Pags don't want to spend $30 million on a guy who is unlikely to play a lot, I totally get it.

[Moranis]

We've got four days to use the TPE.  Here's a list of guys that realistically could available for a second rounder and salary relief:

Rudy Gay
Josh Richardson
Jeff Green
Malik Beasley
Doug McDermott
Jordan Clarkson
Patrick Beverly
Terrence Ross
Derrick Favors
Jae Crowder
Danny Green (injured)
Dario Saric
Mason Plumlee (maybe)
JaMychal Green
Torrey Craig
Boban Marjanovic

Salaries (not always accurate) can be found here:  https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

How many of these would you expect to be actually playable in the playoffs?  Jae Crowder certainly, Danny Green I guess if healthy.  Jordan Clarkson (is he going take minutes from White)?  Josh Richardson probably?  It is hard to gauge this but in order to play in the playoffs, a player would have to beat out someone in the top 8?  Maybe 9?  So that means beat out White or Grant?

Not many.  Plumlee could, perhaps, depending on the matchup and the health of our bigs.  Richardson could carve out some minutes.  Most of those guys would add quality regular season depth and spot minutes in the playoffs, but I don't think Ime would rely on many.

And, that's the rub.  Take a guy like Rudy Gay.  If the cost was "only" $6 million to add him, he's probably worth it for leadership and depth alone.  But, with luxury tax adding him really adds about $30 million in payroll, maybe more.  If Wyc and Pags don't want to spend $30 million on a guy who is unlikely to play a lot, I totally get it.

While not a real need, Beasley is the best player on that list.  He can provide some real and legitimate scoring off the bench.  He just happens to play the deepest position on the team, but ~20 ppg scorers who are 25 and shoot well from deep aren't exactly easy to find.  If Boston could acquire him for a 2nd rounder, I think you'd have to do that.  I don't think he can be had for just a 2nd rounder though. 

If Saric was healthy I could see him getting some minutes as a small ball center or stretch power forward (even in the playoffs), though he is pretty similar to Gallo, who is probably better at this point (Saric does seem to be a bit better inside and is better as a center though). 

McDermott and either of the two J. Green's would certainly be a part of the regular season rotation.  In the playoffs when you shrink down to an 8.5 man rotation, probably not without injury, but they'd all be fine depth during the grind of the season.

Favors is interesting.  I don't know how much he has left, but he was still producing decent per minute production last year for the Thunder.  He started a bunch of games as well, so I do think he'd be ok in short bursts starting if Rob was out.  Is he better than the vet minimum guys like Dwight, Hasan, etc., that I don't know especially fit wise as he isn't exactly a plus defender? 

[Celtics2021]

We've got four days to use the TPE.  Here's a list of guys that realistically could available for a second rounder and salary relief:

Rudy Gay
Josh Richardson
Jeff Green
Malik Beasley
Doug McDermott
Jordan Clarkson
Patrick Beverly
Terrence Ross
Derrick Favors
Jae Crowder
Danny Green (injured)
Dario Saric
Mason Plumlee (maybe)
JaMychal Green
Torrey Craig
Boban Marjanovic

Salaries (not always accurate) can be found here:  https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

The only guy on that list that I’ve been coming back to in my head for the last couple of days is Malik Beasley.  But at $15 million, I can’t see the Celtics going that high, and with the addition of Brogdon I don’t see th fit unless we traded away White.  I’m pretty sure I’d prefer White to Beasley.  If the Celtics and Jazz both agreed White was the more valuable player, then this is my proposal:

Jazz get:
Derrick White

Celtics get:
Malik Beasley
Jarred Vanderbilt

In addition to Beasley, the Celtics get the last big for their roster in Vanderbilt, who was solid for Minnesota last year.  The net payroll add is small, about $2 million more than adding a big for the minimum.  Further, the Celtics can make this trade using the Fournier TPE for Beasley and either the Schröder or Hernangomez TPE for Vanderbilt, giving them a new Derrick White TPE that expire next July.

I’m not sold on this idea myself because I like White more than Beasley (both on court and off), but it’s possible Brogdon and Beasley make for a more diverse backup guard rotation than Brogdon and White, so in that way the fit could be better.  And Vanderbilt would be a good add as well — maybe he should just be the target of a smaller deal, and not Beasley.