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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #480 on: July 09, 2022, 01:05:15 PM »

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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #481 on: July 09, 2022, 01:25:13 PM »

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Guys like Harden are the rare ones, but lets be real most of these guys will always chase the money. And I don't even blame them. But people need to stop acting like every star who says "the goal is a championship and I don't care about the money" will always go and take less to join another great team. It's pretty obvious Beal wanted the money and he probably just loves Washington the city/area. That's fine.

I know the rumors were that Horford was willing to re-sign with Boston after they added Kemba (and lost Kyrie) but I don't really buy it unless BOS was going to increase their offer. He chose PHI for the extra 30M, lets not fool ourselves

And he felt the 76ers had a good chance to compete with Embiid, Harris, and Simmons in which they ended up getting swept  ;D


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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #482 on: July 09, 2022, 02:41:15 PM »

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Saw Harden took a 15 million dollar pay cut for next year and only added a 1 year player option on the end.  Say what you will about him, but that is a solid team building move.
I do respect guys like Harden who isn’t all about money and want to have a max contract..very few left..he want 76ers to have cap room where they can get more vet players unlike James & others
Did he want the Sixers to have more cap room though? Or did the free agent market that would give him a max contract for 4 years dry up or weren't interested in him? Knowing the market wasn't there did Morey play hardball and only offer the 1+1 player option deal Harden got?

Morey could have said, "Listen James, we aren't giving you a max. Accept this and then you and the team can leak info that you wanted to give up money for the betterment of the team."

Let's realize, there really was not a market out there for him and a max contract after Harden had just forced a trade TWICE in the last year and been out of shape almost all of time. The reports of him missing practices and spending time partying after hours in Houston were probably pretty damaging.

I am not buying into Harden being all about titles and so gave up millions and millions to help Philly add other players. I think Morey hardballed Harden, because he could, due to a bad market for Harden's services, then released the story of Harden purposely giving up money to save Harden's image.

Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #483 on: July 09, 2022, 03:45:38 PM »

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Saw Harden took a 15 million dollar pay cut for next year and only added a 1 year player option on the end.  Say what you will about him, but that is a solid team building move.
I do respect guys like Harden who isn’t all about money and want to have a max contract..very few left..he want 76ers to have cap room where they can get more vet players unlike James & others
Did he want the Sixers to have more cap room though? Or did the free agent market that would give him a max contract for 4 years dry up or weren't interested in him? Knowing the market wasn't there did Morey play hardball and only offer the 1+1 player option deal Harden got?

Morey could have said, "Listen James, we aren't giving you a max. Accept this and then you and the team can leak info that you wanted to give up money for the betterment of the team."

Let's realize, there really was not a market out there for him and a max contract after Harden had just forced a trade TWICE in the last year and been out of shape almost all of time. The reports of him missing practices and spending time partying after hours in Houston were probably pretty damaging.

I am not buying into Harden being all about titles and so gave up millions and millions to help Philly add other players. I think Morey hardballed Harden, because he could, due to a bad market for Harden's services, then released the story of Harden purposely giving up money to save Harden's image.

When Harden declined his option, the reports then were he’d give up money for a year so the Sixers could use the MLE and BAE, which is what happened.  Harden giving up money intentionally, for a season, seems plausible.

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« Reply #484 on: July 09, 2022, 04:31:19 PM »

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Saw Harden took a 15 million dollar pay cut for next year and only added a 1 year player option on the end.  Say what you will about him, but that is a solid team building move.
I do respect guys like Harden who isn’t all about money and want to have a max contract..very few left..he want 76ers to have cap room where they can get more vet players unlike James & others
Did he want the Sixers to have more cap room though? Or did the free agent market that would give him a max contract for 4 years dry up or weren't interested in him? Knowing the market wasn't there did Morey play hardball and only offer the 1+1 player option deal Harden got?

Morey could have said, "Listen James, we aren't giving you a max. Accept this and then you and the team can leak info that you wanted to give up money for the betterment of the team."

Let's realize, there really was not a market out there for him and a max contract after Harden had just forced a trade TWICE in the last year and been out of shape almost all of time. The reports of him missing practices and spending time partying after hours in Houston were probably pretty damaging.

I am not buying into Harden being all about titles and so gave up millions and millions to help Philly add other players. I think Morey hardballed Harden, because he could, due to a bad market for Harden's services, then released the story of Harden purposely giving up money to save Harden's image.

When Harden declined his option, the reports then were he’d give up money for a year so the Sixers could use the MLE and BAE, which is what happened.  Harden giving up money intentionally, for a season, seems plausible.

Yeah, he definitely wasn't looking to maximize money.  He easily could have opted in at...  was it $47 million?  Instead, he's playing for $33 million, and $35 next year.  To break even, he would have only needed to get back $21 million on a contract next year?  That seems extraordinarily likely.


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« Reply #485 on: July 09, 2022, 05:16:30 PM »

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Saw Harden took a 15 million dollar pay cut for next year and only added a 1 year player option on the end.  Say what you will about him, but that is a solid team building move.
I do respect guys like Harden who isn’t all about money and want to have a max contract..very few left..he want 76ers to have cap room where they can get more vet players unlike James & others
Did he want the Sixers to have more cap room though? Or did the free agent market that would give him a max contract for 4 years dry up or weren't interested in him? Knowing the market wasn't there did Morey play hardball and only offer the 1+1 player option deal Harden got?

Morey could have said, "Listen James, we aren't giving you a max. Accept this and then you and the team can leak info that you wanted to give up money for the betterment of the team."

Let's realize, there really was not a market out there for him and a max contract after Harden had just forced a trade TWICE in the last year and been out of shape almost all of time. The reports of him missing practices and spending time partying after hours in Houston were probably pretty damaging.

I am not buying into Harden being all about titles and so gave up millions and millions to help Philly add other players. I think Morey hardballed Harden, because he could, due to a bad market for Harden's services, then released the story of Harden purposely giving up money to save Harden's image.

When Harden declined his option, the reports then were he’d give up money for a year so the Sixers could use the MLE and BAE, which is what happened.  Harden giving up money intentionally, for a season, seems plausible.

Yeah, he definitely wasn't looking to maximize money.  He easily could have opted in at...  was it $47 million?  Instead, he's playing for $33 million, and $35 next year.  To break even, he would have only needed to get back $21 million on a contract next year?  That seems extraordinarily likely.
Yeah.  He clearly gave money back.  And there are all sorts of repots that the Sixers would have given him whatever dollars or years he wanted.  And that makes perfect sense, since you don't trade Simmons, Curry, and multiple 1st's for a half season of a player to play hard ball with him at the end of that season. 
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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #486 on: July 09, 2022, 07:58:10 PM »

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Saw Harden took a 15 million dollar pay cut for next year and only added a 1 year player option on the end.  Say what you will about him, but that is a solid team building move.
I do respect guys like Harden who isn’t all about money and want to have a max contract..very few left..he want 76ers to have cap room where they can get more vet players unlike James & others
Did he want the Sixers to have more cap room though? Or did the free agent market that would give him a max contract for 4 years dry up or weren't interested in him? Knowing the market wasn't there did Morey play hardball and only offer the 1+1 player option deal Harden got?

Morey could have said, "Listen James, we aren't giving you a max. Accept this and then you and the team can leak info that you wanted to give up money for the betterment of the team."

Let's realize, there really was not a market out there for him and a max contract after Harden had just forced a trade TWICE in the last year and been out of shape almost all of time. The reports of him missing practices and spending time partying after hours in Houston were probably pretty damaging.

I am not buying into Harden being all about titles and so gave up millions and millions to help Philly add other players. I think Morey hardballed Harden, because he could, due to a bad market for Harden's services, then released the story of Harden purposely giving up money to save Harden's image.

When Harden declined his option, the reports then were he’d give up money for a year so the Sixers could use the MLE and BAE, which is what happened.  Harden giving up money intentionally, for a season, seems plausible.

Yeah, he definitely wasn't looking to maximize money.  He easily could have opted in at...  was it $47 million?  Instead, he's playing for $33 million, and $35 next year.  To break even, he would have only needed to get back $21 million on a contract next year?  That seems extraordinarily likely.
Yeah.  He clearly gave money back.  And there are all sorts of repots that the Sixers would have given him whatever dollars or years he wanted.  And that makes perfect sense, since you don't trade Simmons, Curry, and multiple 1st's for a half season of a player to play hard ball with him at the end of that season.
Exactly.  Morey is supposed to have a very good relationship with Harden so it would be stupid of him to play hardball with Harden and ruin that relationship.  I don't think anybody was going to give Harden a 4-year Max deal but I do think he could have gotten a better deal than he signed.  Even with his drop-off in performance, he was still 21/7.1/10.5 in his 21 games with the Sixers.  I expect there is a handshake deal that if things go well that Harden will opt out and get a better long-term deal from the Sixers. 

Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #487 on: July 09, 2022, 11:33:53 PM »

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Lillard, speaking Saturday at a news conference announcing his two-year extension with the Blazers, was asked about how he doubled down on his desire to stay in Portland through thick and thin.

"I've always said that if I do something that goes against who I am, and say I do end up winning, I know me better than any of y'all know me," Lillard said. "So I'd be happy with it, because I don't think anybody wouldn't be happy being a champion, but it wouldn't be as fulfilling to me as I would want that moment to be. ... As long as I have an opportunity to do it, a good opportunity to [compete for a title], I'm willing to go out however."

That's where I've always stood, and that's where I stand," Lillard said. "It's going to get done or it's not going to get done. I don't want to go out there with this crazy uphill battle that I'm fighting and we need a miracle times 10 to get it done. I just want a shot at it and if that happens and it doesn't work out then I can live with that."

"I feel proud to be that guy," Lillard said. "Because I don't think you earn something like this just by going out there and scoring a bunch of points. And something that's missing in our league is the character and the fight and the passion and pride about not just the name on the back, but the name on the front and how you impact the people that you come in contact with.

"And I think because of how much I've embraced that and I haven't pretended to embrace it, that's really who I am, and I think this just shows the power in that. It shows that there's something there for being committed and having your heart in the right place and having your mind in the right place."

"Hopefully it will have an impact going forward," Lillard said. "It don't got to be, 'Oh, the media says this,' or 'everybody's telling me this.' And you just get swayed into doing what everybody is trying to convince you to do. Because nobody is going to live with those decisions like you will. So I'm proud to be the person to jump out, and this organization to show this type of trust and faith in me.

"But I'm even more proud of what a commitment like this from the organization represents. And I hope that that's what will reach guys that will come behind this."


Blazers coach Chauncey Billups reiterated how much Lillard's dedication meant to the team, calling it "an incredible day for our organization."

"We're very, very fortunate in our market, in our franchise, to have a guy like Dame," Billups said. "Superstars in our game today are different than our generation, in the way that they've taken ownership of their careers. And what I mean by that is, there's a lot of superstars that, if they don't want to be somewhere, they find a way to get where they want to go. And Dame has been very clear about his intentions and being in Portland and playing in front of the Portland fans, and I got a lot of respect for him for that because it just doesn't happen."

"In our game today, you got two kinds of teams," Billups said. "A team that has a superstar, and teams that are looking for one. We're lucky enough to have one and one that wants to be here. So that's great -- there's been a lot of change in this organization; he's stuck by us all, through it all."



Dude does not care about winning. Guess him and Beal are just in it for the money and to put up stats on losing teams. Beal is nearly 30 and Dame is going to be 33… Their prime years are nearly over.
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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #488 on: July 10, 2022, 12:14:15 AM »

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Eh.  Players get criticized if they team up to make super teams.  They get criticized for sticking with one franchise and taking the money.

Good for Lillard and Beal. 


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« Reply #489 on: July 10, 2022, 12:19:23 AM »

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Eh.  Players get criticized if they team up to make super teams.  They get criticized for sticking with one franchise and taking the money.

Good for Lillard and Beal.
Which is fine, but Beal's comments, in particular, don't match what he has done.  It is fine to say something like I love it, I don't want to move, I want to finish my career here, etc.  It is when you say things like I want to win and do everything in my power to bring a title here, when you take a full max and receive a ridiculous salary. 
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« Reply #490 on: July 10, 2022, 12:27:00 AM »

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Eh.  Players get criticized if they team up to make super teams.  They get criticized for sticking with one franchise and taking the money.

Good for Lillard and Beal.
Which is fine, but Beal's comments, in particular, don't match what he has done.  It is fine to say something like I love it, I don't want to move, I want to finish my career here, etc.  It is when you say things like I want to win and do everything in my power to bring a title here, when you take a full max and receive a ridiculous salary.

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While I do agree with this thought regarding Beal - who pretty clearly fabricated Washington's ability to win as a reason he wanted to stay - Dame seems pretty forthright here regarding his desire to stay in Portland. He sounds pretty realistic regarding their ability to win something eventually, but he admits that he really just wants to do it here and it wouldn't mean as much to go chase a ring like many others. I can respect that.
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« Reply #491 on: July 10, 2022, 12:37:19 AM »

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Eh.  Players get criticized if they team up to make super teams.  They get criticized for sticking with one franchise and taking the money.

Good for Lillard and Beal.
Which is fine, but Beal's comments, in particular, don't match what he has done.  It is fine to say something like I love it, I don't want to move, I want to finish my career here, etc.  It is when you say things like I want to win and do everything in my power to bring a title here, when you take a full max and receive a ridiculous salary.

Who cares?  Athletes give canned answers like this because it’s what fans want to hear.  It’s public relations, just like the vast majority of media statements by athletes, coaches, and GMs are.

Pretty much any employee would say nice things about their employer if they gave them unprecedented salaries. 


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« Reply #492 on: July 10, 2022, 09:34:11 AM »

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Eh.  Players get criticized if they team up to make super teams.  They get criticized for sticking with one franchise and taking the money.

Good for Lillard and Beal.

I think if you play 10+ years with one team and you have only been in the playoffs a few times, you should try to go elsewhere if you care at all about winning. Both guys have made a ton of money and given the teams that drafted them more than enough time to put a contending roster together. I don’t think many would criticize either player for moving on and trying to win at this stage of their career.
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« Reply #493 on: July 10, 2022, 02:01:32 PM »

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« Reply #494 on: July 10, 2022, 03:12:56 PM »

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Eh.  Players get criticized if they team up to make super teams.  They get criticized for sticking with one franchise and taking the money.

Good for Lillard and Beal.

This. I personally like it a lot when great players stick with one team throughout their career, through thick and thin. Portland is making some moves to try to get Dame where he wants to go. All it would take is hitting on one or two draft picks and those two franchises could suddenly be title contenders with Dame and Beal. I cannot blame the fellas at all for taking the money. I certainly hope Tatum follows suit in 2-3 years rather than being allured by the sexiness of Miami or Los Angeles.

Frankly, if I were an all-star NBA player, I’d wanna obviously play for Boston and live in Boston, but there’s a ton worse places to live than DC and Portland…can definitely see how living near those cities appeals more than taking free agency money in somewhere like Detroit to play with Cunningham.

Speaking of Detroit, is it pretty much going to be where Ayton lands if he does not go back to Phoenix? The KD thing is the hold-up? There’s no other big free agent, UFA or RFA, still available for all that cap space Detroit has cleared, right?
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