Following our Finals loss, what's your ideal offseason?

[wiley]

1.  Trade Theis + Nesmith + Pritchard + #1 for Harrison Barnes

2.  Use TPE to acquire Josh Richardson and Jeff Green

3.  Sign best available PG with MLE.  Sadly, it probably won't be Tyus Jones, Aaron Holiday or Patty Mills. 

Timelord / Horford
Barnes / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / (BPA)

4.  Sign vets instead of D-League outcasts.  Whatever shooting or offensive talent is out there, get it.

I like Richardson and Barnes.  When J Rich has the ball I feel good, like a good shot will result, even if it's mostly his own shot.  And I like his defense.  So TP for this seemingly realistic idea.  Still high hopes for Nesmith, but maybe not ready for contending team..

[celticinorlando]

1.  Trade Theis + Nesmith + Pritchard + #1 for Harrison Barnes

2.  Use TPE to acquire Josh Richardson and Jeff Green

3.  Sign best available PG with MLE.  Sadly, it probably won't be Tyus Jones, Aaron Holiday or Patty Mills. 

Timelord / Horford
Barnes / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / (BPA)

4.  Sign vets instead of D-League outcasts.  Whatever shooting or offensive talent is out there, get it.

Agree. No more g league bench filler that you know is never going to amount to anything.

I like Barnes but would rather get Bruce brown instead of green.

Always felt like mills would be an excellent option with his shooting, defense and PG skills. Plus knowing Ime would be a plus

[#1P4P]

Aside from internal improvement (which will be key to the offseason), assembling a trustworthy, deep bench is the priority. Here’s a preliminary list of 15 targets:

UFA
Rubio
Ingles
Thad Young
Ibaka
Tyus Jones
Kyle Anderson
Gary Payton II
Bruce Brown
Batum
Jeff Green

Non-UFA’s that could be on the move for the right offer.
Barnes
Cam Johnson (if Suns decide to move him instead of Ayton)
Kennard
Richardson
Bamba
Rose

The priority is to build a great bench with veteran talent while taking into account the defensive identity. The baseline for players is to be a solid individual and team defenders and be content to come off the bench.

We have the #1 5-player unit in the NBA with each player playing 75+ games including playoffs averaging 29+ minutes. Stevens has to give Udoka 3-5 trustworthy players and Ime has to trust the players to figure it out along the way. With this 7-8 player core (5 closing in on their prime), this experience, a trustworthy bench, and internal improvement this is a 60+win team.

[Who]

A sign and trade for Jalen Brunson would be interesting likely with Smart heading the other way. Give BOS a real offensive PG who can organize and lead an offense. Give them some creation & playmaking next to the two Jays.

[gouki88]

A sign and trade for Jalen Brunson would be interesting likely with Smart heading the other way. Give BOS a real offensive PG who can organize and lead an offense. Give them some creation & playmaking next to the two Jays.

That's a really interesting idea. I think Brunson could develop into a Lowry type player. He has similar dimensions as a stout short guard, both are good shooters (Lowry is a much higher volume shooter from deep) and solid passers. Brunson is a better finisher inside the arc, Lowry is a better passer but turns it over more.

I'd probably do that just in terms of talent, irrespective of cap concerns.

[Moranis]

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PG: Smart
SG: Beal
SF: Brown
PF: Tatum
C: Timelord

It's an ''ideal offseason'' scenario, hence I'm assuming Beal forces his way to Boston to team up with Tatum. Either he opts in (like CP3 did in 2017 prior to his Rockets trade) or he hits free agency and the Wiz sign-and-trade him to the C's. I'm too lazy to put down the numbers, but I'm pretty confident we can stay below the apron.

I don't think that is near enough for Beal and I'd want to keep Horford in that scenario.  I'd honestly rather just trade both Smart and White than Horford.  And I know that sounds weird, but there is only 1 ball and Beal would be the starting PG, so there are a lot less minutes for either Smart or White in that scenario

Smart, White, Nesmith, 23 1st, 25 1st (top 4)

for

Beal, Smith

So post-trade contracts

PG - Beal, Pritchard, Smith
SG - Brown
SF - Tatum, Hauser, Stauskas
PF - Horford, Grant, Morgan, Fitts
C - Rob, Theis

Still have the TMLE and all the TPE's to add to the team (though basically no 1st's to trade).  However, I'd be open to a salary dump.  Like say Miami wants to get out of Duncan Robinson, I'd be open to him coming into the Fournier TPE for a 2nd round pick.  Adding him as a shooting wing off the bench would fill a real need.  With the Mavs getting Wood, maybe they'd be open to dumping Kleber (he fits into the Thompson TPE).

So that would be a pretty sweet team

PG - Beal, Pritchard, Smith
SG - Brown, Robinson
SF - Tatum, Hauser, Stauskas
PF - Horford, Grant, Kleber, Morgan, Fitts
C - Rob, Theis

Now that is a real contender.  Much better offense and while the defense is hurt some, it still have plenty of guys capable of getting defensive stops when needed.

The way I see it, our biggest weakness is the lack of a floor general to minimize turnovers. Trading away our two best PGs and asking Beal to run the point would only make things worse.

except the floor generals are never going to have the ball all that much and run the offense given the style of play that is Tatum and Brown.  And neither Smart nor White are floor generals either.  I mean Smart had 19 turnovers in the 6 games (Brown was 20 and Tatum was 23) and he led the starters in TOV% at 18.4 (only PP was higher at 19.3).  Given how much Tatum and Brown had the ball their TOV% was still not great, but wasn't terrible at 14.6 and 13.4 respectively.  And those 2 had the ball so much because Smart and White aren't actually point guards or floor generals.

The Celtics problem is not a lack of a floor general, it is the lack of talented multi-faceted offensive players.  Beal solves that problem immensely.

It doesn't have to be a floor general. A low-usage facilitator would do the job. My ideal target would be Haliburton, but I don't think we can afford him.

Tatum and Brown dominate the ball because they are our best shot creators. If we had a facilitator-type PG, there would be no need for the Jays to dominate the ball.

they dominate the ball because that is how they play and they always have played that way. A facilitator isn't going to change that. They simply are at the best dominating the ball. Brown would be better off the ball than Tatum, bit that is more because Brown isn't a good facilitator. Tatum is though and what makes Tatum great is him having the ball.  He isn't Luka, but he is a lot closer to him than a guy like Curry that runs all over the court.

[RockinRyA]

The good thing is, its a bit easier to attract fa now given we reached the finals.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

The good thing is, its a bit easier to attract fa now given we reached the finals.

you HOPE. we have never been known as a magnet for free agents.

[RockinRyA]

The good thing is, its a bit easier to attract fa now given we reached the finals.

you HOPE. we have never been known as a magnet for free agents.

When we were contenders we got shaq, pj brown, sam cassell, troy murphy etc. Those guys were widely contested fa targets with the cap in mind. If you are contenders it doesnt matter what city you are, you are more attractive to fa's.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

5 More trade ideas, all of which are based on the concept of selling high on Al Horford to a team that has playoff/championship aspirations and thinks a vet like him would put them over the top:

1. Magic: Horford for Isaac and Anthony

2. Suns: Horford for Saric, Craig, and Johnson

3. Wolves: Horford for Beasley and Jaden McDaniels

4. Kings: Horford for Barnes and Holliday

5. Wizards: Horford for KCP and Hachimura (or Kuzma or Advija)

Each of these deals are predicated on three ideas:

1. That we can find a team desperate to get into the playoffs, or be contenders, who also thinks Horford would help them with that goal
2. That this is selling high on Horford
3. and we can grab a rotation player and/or a young prospect at the 4 to pair with the Js.

These are listed in order of the ones I prefer.

[GreenShooter]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

Free agents available. There are some off the bench scoring options and a couple of wings. Not many realistic bigs off the bench that will make a difference.

I don't know of any reasonable trade options or future buy-out options. I think the kids should be able to attract better players than in the past.

[Vermont Green]

There seem to be a lot here and in the media who are saying we need a more traditional "floor general" type of PG.  I am not so sure.  Of the principle PGs that made it somewhat deep in the playoffs, Chris Paul is that type of PG but are any others?  Not Curry or Doncic.  Holiday and Lowry are not really that type, or at least not significantly more than Smart.  So the one playoff team with a floor general, was a major playoff disappointment.

My focus would be on a veteran wing to play off the bench.  Not sure who that could be exactly but if we could get a vet like Horford, who can be something of a mentor to the young team, as well as providing something meaningful on the court, to me, that is ideal.  It may have to be someone overpriced but that fits our TPE.

The other slot we need is a replacement for Al.  I like Jalen Smith who will be a UFA and who might sign for the MLE.  It is not for sure that he will be a starting level big but he has shown flashes and he is only 22.

[Who]

Three best MLE wings in FA that I can see are = Bruce Brown, Pat Connaughton, Donte DiVicenzo.

Is there anyone else?

[Roy H.]

I like Barnes but would rather get Bruce brown instead of green.

I really like Bruce Brown, but I can't see him leaving for the Taxpayer MLE.  I frequently throw in Jeff Green simply because he's one of the few guys that is making in the $4 million range, and would fit into the TPE after re-acquiring Richardson.  Plus he's an expiring, and could easily be flipped at the deadline.

[Dchuck]

Three best MLE wings in FA that I can see are = Bruce Brown, Pat Connaughton, Donte DiVicenzo.

Is there anyone else?

Was always a DiVicenzo fan.  Actually all three I like.