Following our Finals loss, what's your ideal offseason?

[BMark]

Just for fun I am suggesting the following:

Out-JB

In-Isaac, T Ross and the first overall pick.

Isaac is a risk given his injury issues but he is an effective two way player esp on defense. Ross is streaky but is still a threat on offense coming off the bench.  Can you imagine having Jabari Smith next to Tatum?

Orlando can build around JB-I bet the Cs don't want to max JB

After I make that trade I look to package Horford and White and draft picks for any disgruntled star who may make himself available.  Beal for instance.

Starters-JT, Smart, Beal, Isaac, TL

Bench-Ross, GW, Jabari Smith. I look to add to the bench

[hardlyyardley]

Tyus Jones and Jalen Smith

[slamtheking]

High Level to do list
- acquire a PG that's an actual offensive threat that can run and offense and can handle pressure D.  We don't have that and relying on Tatum and Brown to help Smart/White with facilitating the offense is not working (consistently).  if that requires moving Smart and/or White I'm fine with that.
- drop the last 5 guys off the current 15 man roster.  fill their spots with vet min guys with a pulse.  at least those types of players should be able to contribute something.
- acquire an athletic PF-C that can play D and has a decent shot at least out to 18-20 feet that can come in at PF for Al and move Al to the bench to save his energy and provide that quality big man depth. 
- work with Tatum and Brown in the offseason to teach them how to keep control of the ball when dribbling/driving so that they stop dribbling off their feet/leg/defender's feet/defender's leg.  also teach them to control their dribbles such that they stop leaving the ball behind when they drive as well as control it well enough that defender's swiping at the ball aren't practically guaranteed to steal it.
- work with Grant, PP and Nesmith to see what we really have with them.  Grant and PP were invisible in the finals and Nesmith isn't good enough to see the floor.  I tend to give draft picks until their third year to really show something.  that's next year for Nesmith.
- Get Timelord healthy and have him work on post moves and get more confidence in his jumper.  he can hit shots out to 15 feet.  needs to take more of those when a real PG drives and dishes to him

- easiest to do --> get an offensive coach on Ime's staff because what the coaching staff has been doing is a mess. 

[angryguy77]

High Level to do list
- acquire a PG that's an actual offensive threat that can run and offense and can handle pressure D.  We don't have that and relying on Tatum and Brown to help Smart/White with facilitating the offense is not working (consistently).  if that requires moving Smart and/or White I'm fine with that.
- drop the last 5 guys off the current 15 man roster.  fill their spots with vet min guys with a pulse.  at least those types of players should be able to contribute something.
- acquire an athletic PF-C that can play D and has a decent shot at least out to 18-20 feet that can come in at PF for Al and move Al to the bench to save his energy and provide that quality big man depth. 
- work with Tatum and Brown in the offseason to teach them how to keep control of the ball when dribbling/driving so that they stop dribbling off their feet/leg/defender's feet/defender's leg.  also teach them to control their dribbles such that they stop leaving the ball behind when they drive as well as control it well enough that defender's swiping at the ball aren't practically guaranteed to steal it.
- work with Grant, PP and Nesmith to see what we really have with them.  Grant and PP were invisible in the finals and Nesmith isn't good enough to see the floor.  I tend to give draft picks until their third year to really show something.  that's next year for Nesmith.
- Get Timelord healthy and have him work on post moves and get more confidence in his jumper.  he can hit shots out to 15 feet.  needs to take more of those when a real PG drives and dishes to him

- easiest to to --> get an offensive coach on Ime's staff because what the coaching staff has been doing is a mess.

7-Teach JT/JB how to stop in the lane and pull up rather than force a layup. I'm not sure if they know that's allowed.

[slamtheking]

High Level to do list
- acquire a PG that's an actual offensive threat that can run and offense and can handle pressure D.  We don't have that and relying on Tatum and Brown to help Smart/White with facilitating the offense is not working (consistently).  if that requires moving Smart and/or White I'm fine with that.
- drop the last 5 guys off the current 15 man roster.  fill their spots with vet min guys with a pulse.  at least those types of players should be able to contribute something.
- acquire an athletic PF-C that can play D and has a decent shot at least out to 18-20 feet that can come in at PF for Al and move Al to the bench to save his energy and provide that quality big man depth. 
- work with Tatum and Brown in the offseason to teach them how to keep control of the ball when dribbling/driving so that they stop dribbling off their feet/leg/defender's feet/defender's leg.  also teach them to control their dribbles such that they stop leaving the ball behind when they drive as well as control it well enough that defender's swiping at the ball aren't practically guaranteed to steal it.
- work with Grant, PP and Nesmith to see what we really have with them.  Grant and PP were invisible in the finals and Nesmith isn't good enough to see the floor.  I tend to give draft picks until their third year to really show something.  that's next year for Nesmith.
- Get Timelord healthy and have him work on post moves and get more confidence in his jumper.  he can hit shots out to 15 feet.  needs to take more of those when a real PG drives and dishes to him

- easiest to to --> get an offensive coach on Ime's staff because what the coaching staff has been doing is a mess.

7-Teach JT/JB how to stop in the lane and pull up rather than force a layup. I'm not sure if they know that's allowed.

was calling for that all series.  considered that part of getting a new offensive coach but worth pointing out that simple, basic improvement

[kraidstar]

We were like the 1981 Celtics minus Cedric Maxwell. Really needed that vet leadership/scoring.

I think this club has skated by on our freak athleticism and developed bad habits the last few years. Finally Ime got us playing good ball but only for half of one season.

Playing good ball and making intelligent reads needs to become second nature. We need a vet 3rd scorer and we need more seasoning.

[Jvalin]

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PG: Smart
SG: Beal
SF: Brown
PF: Tatum
C: Timelord

It's an ''ideal offseason'' scenario, hence I'm assuming Beal forces his way to Boston to team up with Tatum. Either he opts in (like CP3 did in 2017 prior to his Rockets trade) or he hits free agency and the Wiz sign-and-trade him to the C's. I'm too lazy to put down the numbers, but I'm pretty confident we can stay below the apron.

[Kuberski33]

We were like the 1981 Celtics minus Cedric Maxwell. Really needed that vet leadership/scoring.

I think this club has skated by on our freak athleticism and developed bad habits the last few years. Finally Ime got us playing good ball but only for half of one season.

Playing good ball and making intelligent reads needs to become second nature. We need a vet 3rd scorer and we need more seasoning.

Team needs to add a veteran small forward who can come off the bench, score a bit and defend consistently and not panic in tight spots. Ideally they upgrade PP, though I'm not optimistic - and find another big to spell Horford and push Theis out the door. 

PP is an ok player but teams went after him defensively and he struggled.  If he couldn't make 3's there was nothing he could do to help them vs Miami and GS.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I think we need one more offensive threat to take pressure off the Js at times, but I'm split whether or not that needs to a high-end player or more of a role player.

High end - All these would require trading one or more of Smart, Williams, White, or Horford with other assets.

Lavine has connections to Ime and 4 of the Cs through team USA. He's an unselfish player that creates really good offense and has improved on defense.

Beal has obvious connections to Tatum

Mitchell is probably ungettable, but worth throwing in here

Durant only works if he wants a trade from the Nets to a contender. He and Tatum would be great together and I think Brown would still succeed at a high level as a scorer/finisher.

Lillard's scoring and ball-handling would open up a lot for Tatum and Brown.

Role player - The other way we could go is smaller. Interestingly, I noticed that we can aggregate enough salary together with Theis, Nesmith, Pritchard, Hauser, and Stauskas to take back about 21.5 million. This doesn't affect our main rotation, but adds to it.

Eric Gordon - if healthy, he'd be awesome for this team.

Terry Rozier - bring him home!

Bognovic (ATL) - if we can get in on a three-team trade and take him back

Sexton - lots of untapped potential

Hield - his shooting would elevate the team's offense and could provide instant energy off the bench

Beasley - Meh. Used to like him a lot more, but does play like he has something to prove.

Barnes - a long-time favorite of many on this forum. Gives size but not guard-play.

Isaac - a potential all-defensive player if he can stay healthy

Hart - plays so fricken hard, but doesn't bring a lot of talent

Clearing that many more roster spots would open up the ability to rotate through fringe players to give them a shot at a roster spot.

[jpotter33]

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PG: Smart
SG: Beal
SF: Brown
PF: Tatum
C: Timelord

It's an ''ideal offseason'' scenario, hence I'm assuming Beal forces his way to Boston to team up with Tatum. Either he opts in (like CP3 did in 2017 prior to his Rockets trade) or he hits free agency and the Wiz sign-and-trade him to the C's. I'm too lazy to put down the numbers, but I'm pretty confident we can stay below the apron.

You do have to wonder whether this ending makes a scenario of Beal to Boston more realistic, at least in the sense of Beal’s desire to try and get here. He can be billed as the final piece now rather than jumping ships to a championship team already.

That said, still not sure if Beal is the right move with fit, and I think it’d take  quite a bit more draft compensation than this to get this done. Also, trading Horford is hard to stomach, but would do it for a clear upgrade.

[hpantazo]

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PG: Smart
SG: Beal
SF: Brown
PF: Tatum
C: Timelord

It's an ''ideal offseason'' scenario, hence I'm assuming Beal forces his way to Boston to team up with Tatum. Either he opts in (like CP3 did in 2017 prior to his Rockets trade) or he hits free agency and the Wiz sign-and-trade him to the C's. I'm too lazy to put down the numbers, but I'm pretty confident we can stay below the apron.

Trading Horford away from a team that just got to game 6 of the Finals is tough. He was a big part of our resurgence and our front court would be pretty light without him. Especially with Rob's injury history.

[johnnygreen]

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PG: Smart
SG: Beal
SF: Brown
PF: Tatum
C: Timelord

It's an ''ideal offseason'' scenario, hence I'm assuming Beal forces his way to Boston to team up with Tatum. Either he opts in (like CP3 did in 2017 prior to his Rockets trade) or he hits free agency and the Wiz sign-and-trade him to the C's. I'm too lazy to put down the numbers, but I'm pretty confident we can stay below the apron.

My ideal offseason also includes getting Beal. He is exactly what this team needs...a reliable go to scorer, especially to close out games. However, I would include Marcus in the deal and keep White. I am a Marcus Smart fan, but he sees himself as a star player, and it may be a detriment to the team. White knows his role, which is a great team characteristic, which may be beneficial, especially if you could bring in a third star like Beal.

Brad and Ime need to work together this offseason on improving the offense. During Stevens first few seasons, I thought I remember a lot of player movement without the ball, and it being such a fun offense to watch. Now it's just standing around and shooting threes. If players are constantly moving on offense and the ball moves, it increases the chances of defensive mistakes and easy baskets.

This is more of a regular season idea for next season, but Ime has to learn to invest in his bench. The backups are never going to get better if they don't play, or only see garbage time minutes. Let Nesmith learn on the job during meaningful minutes. It's an investment in not only a player like Nesmith, but it would reduce regular season minutes for Tatum and Brown, and help keep them fresher come playoff time.

[Roy H.]

1.  Trade Theis + Nesmith + Pritchard + #1 for Harrison Barnes

2.  Use TPE to acquire Josh Richardson and Jeff Green

3.  Sign best available PG with MLE.  Sadly, it probably won't be Tyus Jones, Aaron Holiday or Patty Mills. 

Timelord / Horford
Barnes / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / (BPA)

4.  Sign vets instead of D-League outcasts.  Whatever shooting or offensive talent is out there, get it.

[Moranis]

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PG: Smart
SG: Beal
SF: Brown
PF: Tatum
C: Timelord

It's an ''ideal offseason'' scenario, hence I'm assuming Beal forces his way to Boston to team up with Tatum. Either he opts in (like CP3 did in 2017 prior to his Rockets trade) or he hits free agency and the Wiz sign-and-trade him to the C's. I'm too lazy to put down the numbers, but I'm pretty confident we can stay below the apron.

I don't think that is near enough for Beal and I'd want to keep Horford in that scenario.  I'd honestly rather just trade both Smart and White than Horford.  And I know that sounds weird, but there is only 1 ball and Beal would be the starting PG, so there are a lot less minutes for either Smart or White in that scenario

Smart, White, Nesmith, 23 1st, 25 1st (top 4)

for

Beal, Smith

So post-trade contracts

PG - Beal, Pritchard, Smith
SG - Brown
SF - Tatum, Hauser, Stauskas
PF - Horford, Grant, Morgan, Fitts
C - Rob, Theis

Still have the TMLE and all the TPE's to add to the team (though basically no 1st's to trade).  However, I'd be open to a salary dump.  Like say Miami wants to get out of Duncan Robinson, I'd be open to him coming into the Fournier TPE for a 2nd round pick.  Adding him as a shooting wing off the bench would fill a real need.  With the Mavs getting Wood, maybe they'd be open to dumping Kleber (he fits into the Thompson TPE).

So that would be a pretty sweet team

PG - Beal, Pritchard, Smith
SG - Brown, Robinson
SF - Tatum, Hauser, Stauskas
PF - Horford, Grant, Kleber, Morgan, Fitts
C - Rob, Theis

Now that is a real contender.  Much better offense and while the defense is hurt some, it still have plenty of guys capable of getting defensive stops when needed. 

[hpantazo]

1.  Trade Theis + Nesmith + Pritchard + #1 for Harrison Barnes

2.  Use TPE to acquire Josh Richardson and Jeff Green

3.  Sign best available PG with MLE.  Sadly, it probably won't be Tyus Jones, Aaron Holiday or Patty Mills. 

Timelord / Horford
Barnes / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / (BPA)

4.  Sign vets instead of D-League outcasts.  Whatever shooting or offensive talent is out there, get it.

I like these moves. I don't like the proposals to trade our DPOY or Horford, as they would each significantly damage our main strength, our team defense. We need to add to what we have, not take away from it or retool it. This team was extremely close to winning it all, and could get there just from internal development.