Following our Finals loss, what's your ideal offseason?

[Phantom255x]

1.  Trade Theis + Nesmith + Pritchard + #1 for Harrison Barnes

2.  Use TPE to acquire Josh Richardson and Jeff Green

3.  Sign best available PG with MLE.  Sadly, it probably won't be Tyus Jones, Aaron Holiday or Patty Mills. 

Timelord / Horford
Barnes / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / (BPA)

4.  Sign vets instead of D-League outcasts.  Whatever shooting or offensive talent is out there, get it.

I like it. I would not mind bringing Richardson back as an additional scorer off the bench for this team.

[libermaniac]

I just read that free agency starts on August 2. Why so late? I know Hayward was signed on the 4th of July. Anyone know why it got pushed back so far?

[Roy H.]

I just read that free agency starts on August 2. Why so late? I know Hayward was signed on the 4th of July. Anyone know why it got pushed back so far?

I think that was last summer's free agency start date.  This year it should be in July like normal, I think.

[Sketch5]

I just read that free agency starts on August 2. Why so late? I know Hayward was signed on the 4th of July. Anyone know why it got pushed back so far?

I think that was last summer's free agency start date.  This year it should be in July like normal, I think.

Yeah looks like the "tentative deals" start June 30th. Signings start July 1st.

[boscel33]

I just read that free agency starts on August 2. Why so late? I know Hayward was signed on the 4th of July. Anyone know why it got pushed back so far?

I think that was last summer's free agency start date.  This year it should be in July like normal, I think.

I read, although the formal date hasn't been announced, FA opening should be by the end of June.

[Jvalin]

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PG: Smart
SG: Beal
SF: Brown
PF: Tatum
C: Timelord

It's an ''ideal offseason'' scenario, hence I'm assuming Beal forces his way to Boston to team up with Tatum. Either he opts in (like CP3 did in 2017 prior to his Rockets trade) or he hits free agency and the Wiz sign-and-trade him to the C's. I'm too lazy to put down the numbers, but I'm pretty confident we can stay below the apron.

I don't think that is near enough for Beal and I'd want to keep Horford in that scenario.  I'd honestly rather just trade both Smart and White than Horford.  And I know that sounds weird, but there is only 1 ball and Beal would be the starting PG, so there are a lot less minutes for either Smart or White in that scenario

Smart, White, Nesmith, 23 1st, 25 1st (top 4)

for

Beal, Smith

So post-trade contracts

PG - Beal, Pritchard, Smith
SG - Brown
SF - Tatum, Hauser, Stauskas
PF - Horford, Grant, Morgan, Fitts
C - Rob, Theis

Still have the TMLE and all the TPE's to add to the team (though basically no 1st's to trade).  However, I'd be open to a salary dump.  Like say Miami wants to get out of Duncan Robinson, I'd be open to him coming into the Fournier TPE for a 2nd round pick.  Adding him as a shooting wing off the bench would fill a real need.  With the Mavs getting Wood, maybe they'd be open to dumping Kleber (he fits into the Thompson TPE).

So that would be a pretty sweet team

PG - Beal, Pritchard, Smith
SG - Brown, Robinson
SF - Tatum, Hauser, Stauskas
PF - Horford, Grant, Kleber, Morgan, Fitts
C - Rob, Theis

Now that is a real contender.  Much better offense and while the defense is hurt some, it still have plenty of guys capable of getting defensive stops when needed.

The way I see it, our biggest weakness is the lack of a floor general to minimize turnovers. Trading away our two best PGs and asking Beal to run the point would only make things worse.

[RJ87]

1.  Trade Theis + Nesmith + Pritchard + #1 for Harrison Barnes

2.  Use TPE to acquire Josh Richardson and Jeff Green

3.  Sign best available PG with MLE.  Sadly, it probably won't be Tyus Jones, Aaron Holiday or Patty Mills. 

Timelord / Horford
Barnes / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / (BPA)

4.  Sign vets instead of D-League outcasts.  Whatever shooting or offensive talent is out there, get it.

I like these moves. I don't like the proposals to trade our DPOY or Horford, as they would each significantly damage our main strength, our team defense. We need to add to what we have, not take away from it or retool it. This team was extremely close to winning it all, and could get there just from internal development.

Agree completely with you. We need to add around what we have, not disrupt it by breaking it up.

The TPE is crucial. It's our biggest advantage in adding an impact player.

[slamtheking]

1.  Trade Theis + Nesmith + Pritchard + #1 for Harrison Barnes

2.  Use TPE to acquire Josh Richardson and Jeff Green

3.  Sign best available PG with MLE.  Sadly, it probably won't be Tyus Jones, Aaron Holiday or Patty Mills. 

Timelord / Horford
Barnes / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / (BPA)

4.  Sign vets instead of D-League outcasts.  Whatever shooting or offensive talent is out there, get it.

I like it. I would not mind bringing Richardson back as an additional scorer off the bench for this team.

I wouldn't have traded him in the first place. 

[Kuberski33]

1.  Trade Theis + Nesmith + Pritchard + #1 for Harrison Barnes

2.  Use TPE to acquire Josh Richardson and Jeff Green

3.  Sign best available PG with MLE.  Sadly, it probably won't be Tyus Jones, Aaron Holiday or Patty Mills. 

Timelord / Horford
Barnes / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / (BPA)

4.  Sign vets instead of D-League outcasts.  Whatever shooting or offensive talent is out there, get it.

I'm good with just about all of this, though I think that given the way Ime uses his bench, the D League outcast roster may remain - though with different faces.

[Moranis]

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PG: Smart
SG: Beal
SF: Brown
PF: Tatum
C: Timelord

It's an ''ideal offseason'' scenario, hence I'm assuming Beal forces his way to Boston to team up with Tatum. Either he opts in (like CP3 did in 2017 prior to his Rockets trade) or he hits free agency and the Wiz sign-and-trade him to the C's. I'm too lazy to put down the numbers, but I'm pretty confident we can stay below the apron.

I don't think that is near enough for Beal and I'd want to keep Horford in that scenario.  I'd honestly rather just trade both Smart and White than Horford.  And I know that sounds weird, but there is only 1 ball and Beal would be the starting PG, so there are a lot less minutes for either Smart or White in that scenario

Smart, White, Nesmith, 23 1st, 25 1st (top 4)

for

Beal, Smith

So post-trade contracts

PG - Beal, Pritchard, Smith
SG - Brown
SF - Tatum, Hauser, Stauskas
PF - Horford, Grant, Morgan, Fitts
C - Rob, Theis

Still have the TMLE and all the TPE's to add to the team (though basically no 1st's to trade).  However, I'd be open to a salary dump.  Like say Miami wants to get out of Duncan Robinson, I'd be open to him coming into the Fournier TPE for a 2nd round pick.  Adding him as a shooting wing off the bench would fill a real need.  With the Mavs getting Wood, maybe they'd be open to dumping Kleber (he fits into the Thompson TPE).

So that would be a pretty sweet team

PG - Beal, Pritchard, Smith
SG - Brown, Robinson
SF - Tatum, Hauser, Stauskas
PF - Horford, Grant, Kleber, Morgan, Fitts
C - Rob, Theis

Now that is a real contender.  Much better offense and while the defense is hurt some, it still have plenty of guys capable of getting defensive stops when needed.

The way I see it, our biggest weakness is the lack of a floor general to minimize turnovers. Trading away our two best PGs and asking Beal to run the point would only make things worse.

except the floor generals are never going to have the ball all that much and run the offense given the style of play that is Tatum and Brown.  And neither Smart nor White are floor generals either.  I mean Smart had 19 turnovers in the 6 games (Brown was 20 and Tatum was 23) and he led the starters in TOV% at 18.4 (only PP was higher at 19.3).  Given how much Tatum and Brown had the ball their TOV% was still not great, but wasn't terrible at 14.6 and 13.4 respectively.  And those 2 had the ball so much because Smart and White aren't actually point guards or floor generals.

The Celtics problem is not a lack of a floor general, it is the lack of talented multi-faceted offensive players.  Beal solves that problem immensely.

[seancally]

I wanna see Kyle Anderson here.

[libermaniac]

I just read that free agency starts on August 2. Why so late? I know Hayward was signed on the 4th of July. Anyone know why it got pushed back so far?

I think that was last summer's free agency start date.  This year it should be in July like normal, I think.

I read, although the formal date hasn't been announced, FA opening should be by the end of June.

Thank you. There are some bogus articles out there. Eg https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/ranking-top-30-nba-free-agents-2022

[Jvalin]

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PG: Smart
SG: Beal
SF: Brown
PF: Tatum
C: Timelord

It's an ''ideal offseason'' scenario, hence I'm assuming Beal forces his way to Boston to team up with Tatum. Either he opts in (like CP3 did in 2017 prior to his Rockets trade) or he hits free agency and the Wiz sign-and-trade him to the C's. I'm too lazy to put down the numbers, but I'm pretty confident we can stay below the apron.

I don't think that is near enough for Beal and I'd want to keep Horford in that scenario.  I'd honestly rather just trade both Smart and White than Horford.  And I know that sounds weird, but there is only 1 ball and Beal would be the starting PG, so there are a lot less minutes for either Smart or White in that scenario

Smart, White, Nesmith, 23 1st, 25 1st (top 4)

for

Beal, Smith

So post-trade contracts

PG - Beal, Pritchard, Smith
SG - Brown
SF - Tatum, Hauser, Stauskas
PF - Horford, Grant, Morgan, Fitts
C - Rob, Theis

Still have the TMLE and all the TPE's to add to the team (though basically no 1st's to trade).  However, I'd be open to a salary dump.  Like say Miami wants to get out of Duncan Robinson, I'd be open to him coming into the Fournier TPE for a 2nd round pick.  Adding him as a shooting wing off the bench would fill a real need.  With the Mavs getting Wood, maybe they'd be open to dumping Kleber (he fits into the Thompson TPE).

So that would be a pretty sweet team

PG - Beal, Pritchard, Smith
SG - Brown, Robinson
SF - Tatum, Hauser, Stauskas
PF - Horford, Grant, Kleber, Morgan, Fitts
C - Rob, Theis

Now that is a real contender.  Much better offense and while the defense is hurt some, it still have plenty of guys capable of getting defensive stops when needed.

The way I see it, our biggest weakness is the lack of a floor general to minimize turnovers. Trading away our two best PGs and asking Beal to run the point would only make things worse.

except the floor generals are never going to have the ball all that much and run the offense given the style of play that is Tatum and Brown.  And neither Smart nor White are floor generals either.  I mean Smart had 19 turnovers in the 6 games (Brown was 20 and Tatum was 23) and he led the starters in TOV% at 18.4 (only PP was higher at 19.3).  Given how much Tatum and Brown had the ball their TOV% was still not great, but wasn't terrible at 14.6 and 13.4 respectively.  And those 2 had the ball so much because Smart and White aren't actually point guards or floor generals.

The Celtics problem is not a lack of a floor general, it is the lack of talented multi-faceted offensive players.  Beal solves that problem immensely.

It doesn't have to be a floor general. A low-usage facilitator would do the job. My ideal target would be Haliburton, but I don't think we can afford him.

Tatum and Brown dominate the ball because they are our best shot creators. If we had a facilitator-type PG, there would be no need for the Jays to dominate the ball.

[JSD]

Beal isn’t an Ace

[JSD]

1.  Trade Theis + Nesmith + Pritchard + #1 for Harrison Barnes

2.  Use TPE to acquire Josh Richardson and Jeff Green

3.  Sign best available PG with MLE.  Sadly, it probably won't be Tyus Jones, Aaron Holiday or Patty Mills. 

Timelord / Horford
Barnes / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / (BPA)

4.  Sign vets instead of D-League outcasts.  Whatever shooting or offensive talent is out there, get it.

Roy H for GM. What about Rubio for the MLE??