Anything controversial about that Strus non-three…

[LilRip]

They need to stop the game and review the shot if they are going to.  You can't just remove points several minutes later because it can change how teams play after that.  Now it was probably early enough that it didn't alter the outcome, but the optics are very bad.

False. Refs regularly indicate which shots they need reviewed at the next break, especially during non-4th quarter parts of the game. These usually cover these scenarios:
- foot on the line (was it a 2 or 3?)
- shot clock violation (was the shot late?)
- and now, out of bounds shots (was he in play or out?)

They review them in the next timeout and that’s why this happened.

Exactly.  If there’s any change that could be made, it could be an announcement that a review is pending.  So the refs want a review, at the next side out there’s an announcement the shot will be reviewed, and during a stoppage the review takes place.  Now you know it might be coming, if that’s of dire importance.

The refs usually twirl their finger as they’re coming down the court to signal to the video guys that they want that play reviewed. I don’t see why it should matter though.

You know what I wish they would introduce? Basket interference and goal tend reviews. Granted, goaltend reviews are probably harder because you can’t just take away the 2 points. But basket interference reviews sound doable. Do they do this already?


 

[Celtics2021]

They need to stop the game and review the shot if they are going to.  You can't just remove points several minutes later because it can change how teams play after that.  Now it was probably early enough that it didn't alter the outcome, but the optics are very bad.

False. Refs regularly indicate which shots they need reviewed at the next break, especially during non-4th quarter parts of the game. These usually cover these scenarios:
- foot on the line (was it a 2 or 3?)
- shot clock violation (was the shot late?)
- and now, out of bounds shots (was he in play or out?)

They review them in the next timeout and that’s why this happened.

Exactly.  If there’s any change that could be made, it could be an announcement that a review is pending.  So the refs want a review, at the next side out there’s an announcement the shot will be reviewed, and during a stoppage the review takes place.  Now you know it might be coming, if that’s of dire importance.

The refs usually twirl their finger as they’re coming down the court to signal to the video guys that they want that play reviewed. I don’t see why it should matter though.

You know what I wish they would introduce? Basket interference and goal tend reviews. Granted, goaltend reviews are probably harder because you can’t just take away the 2 points. But basket interference reviews sound doable. Do they do this already?

I don’t really think it should matter, but if the problem is coaches complain that they’re surprised points come off the board, now they get faster warning it might happen.  Not hard for them to miss the replay signal the refs are giving to the video guys.  The solution clearly shouldn’t be stop play.

I see no reason why the same couldn't happen for goaltending or basket interference non-calls (although with goaltending it's possible the offensive team still scores on a possession, so it's a little fuzzier).

[celticsclay]

They need to stop the game and review the shot if they are going to.  You can't just remove points several minutes later because it can change how teams play after that.  Now it was probably early enough that it didn't alter the outcome, but the optics are very bad.

False. Refs regularly indicate which shots they need reviewed at the next break, especially during non-4th quarter parts of the game. These usually cover these scenarios:
- foot on the line (was it a 2 or 3?)
- shot clock violation (was the shot late?)
- and now, out of bounds shots (was he in play or out?)

They review them in the next timeout and that’s why this happened.

Exactly.  If there’s any change that could be made, it could be an announcement that a review is pending.  So the refs want a review, at the next side out there’s an announcement the shot will be reviewed, and during a stoppage the review takes place.  Now you know it might be coming, if that’s of dire importance.

The refs usually twirl their finger as they’re coming down the court to signal to the video guys that they want that play reviewed. I don’t see why it should matter though.

You know what I wish they would introduce? Basket interference and goal tend reviews. Granted, goaltend reviews are probably harder because you can’t just take away the 2 points. But basket interference reviews sound doable. Do they do this already?

I don’t really think it should matter, but if the problem is coaches complain that they’re surprised points come off the board, now they get faster warning it might happen.  Not hard for them to miss the replay signal the refs are giving to the video guys.  The solution clearly shouldn’t be stop play.

I agree. A pretty easy improvement would be to announce it over the loud speaker in the stadium. That way coaches all know, fans know and play by play guys can announce it to fans at home. But the idea we should have more stops in play instead of less seems kind of insane to me? Does anybody really want that?

[liam]

So many bad calls in this game... The one they corrected stands out, LOL

[colincb]

Even if it was a wrong call (Sure didn't appear to be) the officials more than made up with it by calling every ridiculous Lowry flop as a Celtics offensive foul.  Officials must've thought Lowry was wearing number 23.

There a Twitter pic that some guy got off a screen TV or computer, where Strus' heel is up off the line, but if you put the video through a video editor, it looks likely that he stepped out and I'm sure the NBA has better video playback capabilities than I do.

[Kuberski33]

I thought it was the right call. The refs keep Miami in the game with that first half foul differential. Fortunately for us, they called the 2nd half down the middle.

If you go back to Game 6, that crew seemed to have determined ahead of the game that Miami was going to get a very favorable whistle in order to extend the series. Heat fans have nothing to whine about.

[No Nickname]

Iirc Miami got every block/charge call in their favor.

That’s my feeling too.  Going by my gut there were probably 25 block/charge calls and the disparity was something like 22-3.

Is there any way to research that?

[celticinorlando]

Right call. They do it all the time in the NHL stopping play if review shows a puck was in.

Inside of Strus heel taps the line

I was more upset about the outright acting Lowry did all night. Give him an Oscar. Guy was flopping all over the court

[Alleyoopster]

… that was taken off the board?

Miami fans seem to think so.  I don’t see it.

The Heat fans in the arena were also upset about the two 3s that were clearly after the shot clock being taken off the board, and I've seen some online upset about the 2 points we scored despite the clock operator not resetting the shot clock, so I'm not sure that they're worth listening to

All 4 plays were called as they should have been, but I can understand why Miami fans are frustrated. The Strus 3 timing was strange, but they usually check those things during a stoppage. And the Grant shot they counted mostly because they didn't even blow the whistle for the violation until after Grant was putting the ball in. Yes, typically that type of play is blown off, but it would have been a total rip-off for the Cs as we were definitely scoring on that play.

Personally, I'm frustrated that every moving flop by Lowry is apparently an offensive foul and every moving screen by Bam isn't.

Bam's moving screens were even more egregious in game 6. He kept moving with the defender while he set screens. Can't believe NBA refs could miss that call over and over again. There must have been at least 6 moving screens in that game. In game 7 only 3-4.

Butler also committed an offensive foul going to the basket late in the game. Ime should have challenged that one.  Oh yeah, just remembered they can only challenge calls officials make. There wasn't a foul called on Tatum on that basket. Nonetheless, Miami got the benefit of that no-call.

[Alleyoopster]

Strus took six steps off one dribble on that play.

Miami set illegal screens on almost every possession.

Iirc Miami got every block/charge call in their favor.

They got a VERY good whistle.

You may have a point. However, I'm not a ref. So, I can't be sure.

Anyone in this group ref basketball games? If so, could you chime in. Here is a video. Only need to watch the first 10 seconds to see this play.  Sorry, there is also a 15 second commercial beforehand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl8SD9UKDSM

[Phantom255x]

In Game 6 Tatum hit a layup which should have been an easy -and 1 but the refs decided late that it was an offensive foul on Tatum and screwed the C's. Miami still held on to a 4-point lead instead of having it cut to 1. But I didn't see much talk about that after Game 6.

I don't think Strus went out of bounds. I do think it's BS the refs don't just check the play after and wait 2-3 gametime minutes before checking and reversing something.

However, the refs were so clearly favoring Miami in the final two games and Bam + Lowry were each able to get away with A TON for basically every game they played this series. So apologies if I'm not as sympathetic to the situation. C's got screwed a number of times as well this series.

[liam]

Didn't Al have a 3-second call when he was an arm's length from a heat player? A 3 second call???

So many crap calls but this is getting a bunch of attention and it looks like a correct call! Why is that news? Is it cause they got one right?

[colincb]

Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop
about 1 hour ago

Two officiating miscues last night, per NBA Last Two Minute Report: Kyle Lowry should have been called for traveling w/1:07 left, and Jimmy Butler should have been called for defensive 3-seconds (Celtic would have gotten a free throw and retained possession) w/23 seconds to go.

More bad L2M officiating.

[ausbacker]

Miami was pulled back into the contest by the officials and furthermore, allowed to get away with egregious crap on both sides of the court all night; the Celtics beat Miami and the NBA last night so forgive me for not giving a [dang].

[Celtics2021]

Didn't Al have a 3-second call when he was an arm's length from a heat player? A 3 second call???

So many crap calls but this is getting a bunch of attention and it looks like a correct call! Why is that news? Is it cause they got one right?

It was Smart, but yes.