Anything controversial about that Strus non-three…

[Celtics2021]

They need to stop the game and review the shot if they are going to.  You can't just remove points several minutes later because it can change how teams play after that.  Now it was probably early enough that it didn't alter the outcome, but the optics are very bad.

There are two reasons the review is conducted this way:

1) Reduce stoppages
2) Coaches can’t challenge no-calls, so there’s no way for the disadvantaged team to ask for an immediate review.

In the either the last two minutes or the last five minutes (I forget which) of the 4th, as well as OT, the refs stop play immediately, because knowledge of the score is considered crucial at that time, but before then it is not.  And this is correct.  No team is playing to the score early in the third quarter.  If the Heat “lost momentum” because they went from being down 8 while the Celtics were shooting free throws to being down 11, when they had been down only five a few minutes earlier at the start of the half, then they have some very weird definition of “momentum”.  The Celtics, who had the initial call go against them, didn’t lose momentum — in fact they went on a 9-2 run between the shot initially being counted and the reversal.

The whole thing is a bunch of nonsense.  The NBA has it right already.  Review an easily reviewable play at the breaks instead of stopping the action.  Keep the game moving and adjust the score.  If a team gets frazzled because they lose a bucket, they don’t have the mettle to win that game anyway.

[Moranis]

They need to stop the game and review the shot if they are going to.  You can't just remove points several minutes later because it can change how teams play after that.  Now it was probably early enough that it didn't alter the outcome, but the optics are very bad.

There are two reasons the review is conducted this way:

1) Reduce stoppages
2) Coaches can’t challenge no-calls, so there’s no way for the disadvantaged team to ask for an immediate review.

In the either the last two minutes or the last five minutes (I forget which) of the 4th, as well as OT, the refs stop play immediately, because knowledge of the score is considered crucial at that time, but before then it is not.  And this is correct.  No team is playing to the score early in the third quarter.  If the Heat “lost momentum” because they went from being down 8 while the Celtics were shooting free throws to being down 11, when they had been down only five a few minutes earlier at the start of the half, then they have some very weird definition of “momentum”.  The Celtics, who had the initial call go against them, didn’t lose momentum — in fact they went on a 9-2 run between the shot initially being counted and the reversal.

The whole thing is a bunch of nonsense.  The NBA has it right already.  Review an easily reviewable play at the breaks instead of stopping the action.  Keep the game moving and adjust the score.  If a team gets frazzled because they lose a bucket, they don’t have the mettle to win that game anyway.

I meant the actual 3 points can change how teams play, not the removing of it.  Maybe it wouldn't have when it happened, but maybe it did. 

They need to stop the clock if they are potentially going to change the score.  Literally every other sport in the world does that and they do it for a reason.  If it takes longer so be it.  Stop the clock and review the call or just don't review it.

[kraidstar]

Strus took six steps off one dribble on that play.

Miami set illegal screens on almost every possession.

Iirc Miami got every block/charge call in their favor.

They got a VERY good whistle.

[ozgod]

… that was taken off the board?

Miami fans seem to think so.  I don’t see it.

I think the only thing that was controversial was that it took a while to get changed. From what I could see he stepped out of bounds.

Of course if I was a Miami fan I might have a different opinion 

[colincb]

They need to stop the game and review the shot if they are going to.  You can't just remove points several minutes later because it can change how teams play after that.  Now it was probably early enough that it didn't alter the outcome, but the optics are very bad.

No, you don't or you'd have more stoppages in games than you already have.

The call was correct and it happens all the time in games.

[radiohead]

It may seem that Struss’ heel was not touching the line, that’s where the controversy really is. However, with all the bum calls that we were getting in games 6 and 7, it’s about time we got a break. Here’s hoping the finals is officiated more competently.

[jambr380]

They need to stop the game and review the shot if they are going to.  You can't just remove points several minutes later because it can change how teams play after that.  Now it was probably early enough that it didn't alter the outcome, but the optics are very bad.

No, you don't or you'd have more stoppages in games than you already have.

The call was correct and it happens all the time in games.

They change 3s to 2s and 2s to 3s after the fact all the time, so that argument doesn't hold weight. Yeah, losing 3 points sucks more than losing 1, but it is still a score change.

If Miami fans want to complain, then let's show them the replay of the Tatum and-1 that got taken away with Lowry shuffling throughout the whole lay-up motion. I have a lot of respect for how a very good, but not great, player in Butler grinds out every possession, but I will not miss Lowry at all.

[SparzWizard]

Bottom line is, the refs are despicable that cost us a few games in these playoffs forcing the C's to play extra games. League needs to clean up the officiating. And those reviews and challenges that eat up a lot of time.

[libermaniac]

I don’t recall any Celtics fans complaining after game 6 when Jaylens charge with a few seconds left was rightfully overturned. It’s a stupid rule that refs can review whether someone was in the restricted zone but not out of bounds calls (like the ball Butler hit out but was ruled out on Horford). Dumb, inconsistent rules but those are the rules.

[Finkelskyhook]

Even if it was a wrong call (Sure didn't appear to be) the officials more than made up with it by calling every ridiculous Lowry flop as a Celtics offensive foul.  Officials must've thought Lowry was wearing number 23.

[SparzWizard]

Strus took six steps off one dribble on that play.

Miami set illegal screens on almost every possession.

Iirc Miami got every block/charge call in their favor.

They got a VERY good whistle.

Nah they're blaming the refs rigging this for the Celtics, taking away that 3 from Strus greatly affected the outcome of the game!

[Roy H.]

Even if it was a wrong call (Sure didn't appear to be) the officials more than made up with it by calling every ridiculous Lowry flop as a Celtics offensive foul.  Officials must've thought Lowry was wearing number 23.

No doubt. 

[LilRip]

They need to stop the game and review the shot if they are going to.  You can't just remove points several minutes later because it can change how teams play after that.  Now it was probably early enough that it didn't alter the outcome, but the optics are very bad.

False. Refs regularly indicate which shots they need reviewed at the next break, especially during non-4th quarter parts of the game. These usually cover these scenarios:
- foot on the line (was it a 2 or 3?)
- shot clock violation (was the shot late?)
- and now, out of bounds shots (was he in play or out?)

They review them in the next timeout and that’s why this happened.

[BitterJim]

It wouldn't shock me if the league screwed up the call despite having a replay, but I'd guess they got it right.

Heat fans have 0 to complain about. Live by the ref, die by the refs.

After the last two series, idk what a charge is anymore. I think if you're wearing green, the defender doesn't have to have both feet down?

What I don't understand is why a B tier star like Butler gets as much love as Giannis.

I legitimately don't think Strus knows how to properly draw a charge because he never actually set his feet when he tried to. And yet the refs still rewarded him at least once.

[Celtics2021]

They need to stop the game and review the shot if they are going to.  You can't just remove points several minutes later because it can change how teams play after that.  Now it was probably early enough that it didn't alter the outcome, but the optics are very bad.

False. Refs regularly indicate which shots they need reviewed at the next break, especially during non-4th quarter parts of the game. These usually cover these scenarios:
- foot on the line (was it a 2 or 3?)
- shot clock violation (was the shot late?)
- and now, out of bounds shots (was he in play or out?)

They review them in the next timeout and that’s why this happened.

Exactly.  If there’s any change that could be made, it could be an announcement that a review is pending.  So the refs want a review, at the next side out there’s an announcement the shot will be reviewed, and during a stoppage the review takes place.  Now you know it might be coming, if that’s of dire importance.