If Horford Continues to Play Like This & We Win the Title…

[colincb]

BRobb dropped this nugget in a column today;

That was a high price to pay for a 35-year-old who had underachieved on an big contract with Philadelphia, but had been angling for months to return to Boston ahead of the eventual deal, according to league sources.

I suspect Danny was involved in Al's return as this was a very early off-season deal (June 17, 2021) and this sounds like the deal started to percolate several months earlier. Mannix also claimed last night that BOS was the only team willing to include an asset (draft pick) to get him and that other teams wanted an asset to take him.

"Every team that called Oklahoma City, they wanted the Thunder to attach an asset to take Al Horford," Mannix said Monday on Boston Sports Tonight. "The Celtics were the only team to offer something in exchange."

We got hosed!!

[Goldstar88]

BRobb dropped this nugget in a column today;

That was a high price to pay for a 35-year-old who had underachieved on an big contract with Philadelphia, but had been angling for months to return to Boston ahead of the eventual deal, according to league sources.

I suspect Danny was involved in Al's return as this was a very early off-season deal (June 17, 2021) and this sounds like the deal started to percolate several months earlier. Mannix also claimed last night that BOS was the only team willing to include an asset (draft pick) to get him and that other teams wanted an asset to take him.

"Every team that called Oklahoma City, they wanted the Thunder to attach an asset to take Al Horford," Mannix said Monday on Boston Sports Tonight. "The Celtics were the only team to offer something in exchange."

We got hosed!!

I’m hoping this is sarcasm. C’s traded away a player in Kemba that turned out to be unplayable and had a worse contract for a starting caliber PF who has been a top 2 or 3 player for Boston this postseason.

[slamtheking]

BRobb dropped this nugget in a column today;

That was a high price to pay for a 35-year-old who had underachieved on an big contract with Philadelphia, but had been angling for months to return to Boston ahead of the eventual deal, according to league sources.

I suspect Danny was involved in Al's return as this was a very early off-season deal (June 17, 2021) and this sounds like the deal started to percolate several months earlier. Mannix also claimed last night that BOS was the only team willing to include an asset (draft pick) to get him and that other teams wanted an asset to take him.

"Every team that called Oklahoma City, they wanted the Thunder to attach an asset to take Al Horford," Mannix said Monday on Boston Sports Tonight. "The Celtics were the only team to offer something in exchange."

We got hosed!!

I’m hoping this is sarcasm. C’s traded away a player in Kemba that turned out to be unplayable and had a worse contract for a starting caliber PF who has been a top 2 or 3 player for Boston this postseason.

that's what we know about Kemba now.  at the time of the deal, he was not considered unplayable whereas Al was actually not playing.  makes me question again Brad's deal making abilities --> if no one else was offering an asset, could he have offered something less than that first rounder to make the deal happen?

[Celtics2021]

BRobb dropped this nugget in a column today;

That was a high price to pay for a 35-year-old who had underachieved on an big contract with Philadelphia, but had been angling for months to return to Boston ahead of the eventual deal, according to league sources.

I suspect Danny was involved in Al's return as this was a very early off-season deal (June 17, 2021) and this sounds like the deal started to percolate several months earlier. Mannix also claimed last night that BOS was the only team willing to include an asset (draft pick) to get him and that other teams wanted an asset to take him.

"Every team that called Oklahoma City, they wanted the Thunder to attach an asset to take Al Horford," Mannix said Monday on Boston Sports Tonight. "The Celtics were the only team to offer something in exchange."

We got hosed!!

I’m hoping this is sarcasm. C’s traded away a player in Kemba that turned out to be unplayable and had a worse contract for a starting caliber PF who has been a top 2 or 3 player for Boston this postseason.

that's what we know about Kemba now.  at the time of the deal, he was not considered unplayable whereas Al was actually not playing.  makes me question again Brad's deal making abilities --> if no one else was offering an asset, could he have offered something less than that first rounder to make the deal happen?

The Thunder bought out Kemba shortly after they traded for him.  This is unlike what OKC did after they acquired Chris Paul and Al Horford, whom they played to rehab their value.  He was definitely considered at least as unplayable as Al, and he had the worse contract.

[Roy H.]

The real question:  if we win a title, and he plays another two years here, does he get his number retired?

I say yes, haha.  (But only after we put Danny in the rafters).

[Goldstar88]

BRobb dropped this nugget in a column today;

That was a high price to pay for a 35-year-old who had underachieved on an big contract with Philadelphia, but had been angling for months to return to Boston ahead of the eventual deal, according to league sources.

I suspect Danny was involved in Al's return as this was a very early off-season deal (June 17, 2021) and this sounds like the deal started to percolate several months earlier. Mannix also claimed last night that BOS was the only team willing to include an asset (draft pick) to get him and that other teams wanted an asset to take him.

"Every team that called Oklahoma City, they wanted the Thunder to attach an asset to take Al Horford," Mannix said Monday on Boston Sports Tonight. "The Celtics were the only team to offer something in exchange."

We got hosed!!

I’m hoping this is sarcasm. C’s traded away a player in Kemba that turned out to be unplayable and had a worse contract for a starting caliber PF who has been a top 2 or 3 player for Boston this postseason.

that's what we know about Kemba now.  at the time of the deal, he was not considered unplayable whereas Al was actually not playing.  makes me question again Brad's deal making abilities --> if no one else was offering an asset, could he have offered something less than that first rounder to make the deal happen?

No, it was pretty clear after the Miami playoff series that Kemba was a complete Liability on the court.  Spolestra made that obvious with his strategy in attacking him every time the Heat had the ball. Sam Presti is a pretty smart guy and he’s not going to take on a player owed a ton of money that has negative trade value without getting something in return. Once Walker was in OKC there wasn’t a team they could trade him to, which resulted in the buyout. Then Kemba signs on with NY and is ultimately benched. I see him struggling to catch on with any team much like IT did .

[action781]

BRobb dropped this nugget in a column today;

That was a high price to pay for a 35-year-old who had underachieved on an big contract with Philadelphia, but had been angling for months to return to Boston ahead of the eventual deal, according to league sources.

I suspect Danny was involved in Al's return as this was a very early off-season deal (June 17, 2021) and this sounds like the deal started to percolate several months earlier. Mannix also claimed last night that BOS was the only team willing to include an asset (draft pick) to get him and that other teams wanted an asset to take him.

"Every team that called Oklahoma City, they wanted the Thunder to attach an asset to take Al Horford," Mannix said Monday on Boston Sports Tonight. "The Celtics were the only team to offer something in exchange."

We got hosed!!

I’m hoping this is sarcasm. C’s traded away a player in Kemba that turned out to be unplayable and had a worse contract for a starting caliber PF who has been a top 2 or 3 player for Boston this postseason.

that's what we know about Kemba now.  at the time of the deal, he was not considered unplayable whereas Al was actually not playing.  makes me question again Brad's deal making abilities --> if no one else was offering an asset, could he have offered something less than that first rounder to make the deal happen?

No, it was pretty clear after the Miami playoff series that Kemba was a complete Liability on the court.  Spolestra made that obvious with his strategy in attacking him every time the Heat had the ball. Sam Presti is a pretty smart guy and he’s not going to take on a player owed a ton of money that has negative trade value without getting something in return. Once Walker was in OKC there wasn’t a team they could trade him to, which resulted in the buyout. Then Kemba signs on with NY and is ultimately benched. I see him struggling to catch on with a team much like IT did .

I thought it was pretty clear in the Toronto series before that even.  Yeah we won it in 7, but FVV and Lowry repeatedly went at and destroyed Kemba that series.

[colincb]

BRobb dropped this nugget in a column today;

That was a high price to pay for a 35-year-old who had underachieved on an big contract with Philadelphia, but had been angling for months to return to Boston ahead of the eventual deal, according to league sources.

I suspect Danny was involved in Al's return as this was a very early off-season deal (June 17, 2021) and this sounds like the deal started to percolate several months earlier. Mannix also claimed last night that BOS was the only team willing to include an asset (draft pick) to get him and that other teams wanted an asset to take him.

"Every team that called Oklahoma City, they wanted the Thunder to attach an asset to take Al Horford," Mannix said Monday on Boston Sports Tonight. "The Celtics were the only team to offer something in exchange."

We got hosed!!

I’m hoping this is sarcasm. C’s traded away a player in Kemba that turned out to be unplayable and had a worse contract for a starting caliber PF who has been a top 2 or 3 player for Boston this postseason.

No I'm serious about a guy who saved us from being down 3-1 in what will forever be known as the Horford game if we hoist #18. I didn't know that Kemba was unplayable at the time, but I did know that he was unlikely to be available when we needed him AND that Horford was a huge upgrade over Tristan Thompson, so I loved the trade.

[slamtheking]

BRobb dropped this nugget in a column today;

That was a high price to pay for a 35-year-old who had underachieved on an big contract with Philadelphia, but had been angling for months to return to Boston ahead of the eventual deal, according to league sources.

I suspect Danny was involved in Al's return as this was a very early off-season deal (June 17, 2021) and this sounds like the deal started to percolate several months earlier. Mannix also claimed last night that BOS was the only team willing to include an asset (draft pick) to get him and that other teams wanted an asset to take him.

"Every team that called Oklahoma City, they wanted the Thunder to attach an asset to take Al Horford," Mannix said Monday on Boston Sports Tonight. "The Celtics were the only team to offer something in exchange."

We got hosed!!

I’m hoping this is sarcasm. C’s traded away a player in Kemba that turned out to be unplayable and had a worse contract for a starting caliber PF who has been a top 2 or 3 player for Boston this postseason.

that's what we know about Kemba now.  at the time of the deal, he was not considered unplayable whereas Al was actually not playing.  makes me question again Brad's deal making abilities --> if no one else was offering an asset, could he have offered something less than that first rounder to make the deal happen?

No, it was pretty clear after the Miami playoff series that Kemba was a complete Liability on the court.  Spolestra made that obvious with his strategy in attacking him every time the Heat had the ball. Sam Presti is a pretty smart guy and he’s not going to take on a player owed a ton of money that has negative trade value without getting something in return. Once Walker was in OKC there wasn’t a team they could trade him to, which resulted in the buyout. Then Kemba signs on with NY and is ultimately benched. I see him struggling to catch on with a team much like IT did .

I thought it was pretty clear in the Toronto series before that even.  Yeah we won it in 7, but FVV and Lowry repeatedly went at and destroyed Kemba that series.

being unplayable is different from being a liability.  unplayable is someone that brings nothing to the table at all.  a liability is someone that has something to offer but not enough to compensate for their negatives.  A liability can be put in a situation where they can help the team whereas someone who's unplayable can't.

[#1P4P]

FWIW, his HOF index is only .1223.

Just behind Kemba and right above D-Rose.

He's had a very solid career but he's not a HOFer.

Al’s traditional NBA stats are similar to Kemba’s and they both led their teams to NCAA titles (though Horford’s in even rarer air with 2); but with a media that is increasingly relying on advanced stats for awards (see Jokic’s MVP), Al is a borderline HOFer already.

Before this season’s 7.5 Win Share total, Horford’s 100.3 BasketballReference similarity score placed him among HOFer Alonzo Mourning and another future HOFer in Marc Gasol.

With this season’s total, he’ll be one spot above Manu and in the top 75 All Time for WS with a few seasons to spare (which doesn’t make him a lock, but has him in good company to be one).

Without a title, Al’s case will be dependent on how much the NBA media factored advanced stats and his 2 NCAA titles; with one, he’s solidified.

[Big333223]

I think the bar is so low for the NBA HOF that he probably gets in.

it's the 'basketball' hall of fame, not the NBA HOF.  Horford's 2 NCAA titles as the best player on his teams carry some real weight in that voting

Yeah, if he makes it it would be more because of his college career. If he adds an NBA title to his NCAA titles then I would say he's probably a lock. His NBA career clearly isn't enough, but it isn't the NBA Hall of Fame.

I'll echo this. He's a borderline case but those Florida teams are a big deal in college basketball history. A title might do it.

[jambr380]

BRobb dropped this nugget in a column today;

That was a high price to pay for a 35-year-old who had underachieved on an big contract with Philadelphia, but had been angling for months to return to Boston ahead of the eventual deal, according to league sources.

I suspect Danny was involved in Al's return as this was a very early off-season deal (June 17, 2021) and this sounds like the deal started to percolate several months earlier. Mannix also claimed last night that BOS was the only team willing to include an asset (draft pick) to get him and that other teams wanted an asset to take him.

"Every team that called Oklahoma City, they wanted the Thunder to attach an asset to take Al Horford," Mannix said Monday on Boston Sports Tonight. "The Celtics were the only team to offer something in exchange."

We got hosed!!

I’m hoping this is sarcasm. C’s traded away a player in Kemba that turned out to be unplayable and had a worse contract for a starting caliber PF who has been a top 2 or 3 player for Boston this postseason.

that's what we know about Kemba now.  at the time of the deal, he was not considered unplayable whereas Al was actually not playing.  makes me question again Brad's deal making abilities --> if no one else was offering an asset, could he have offered something less than that first rounder to make the deal happen?

No, it was pretty clear after the Miami playoff series that Kemba was a complete Liability on the court.  Spolestra made that obvious with his strategy in attacking him every time the Heat had the ball. Sam Presti is a pretty smart guy and he’s not going to take on a player owed a ton of money that has negative trade value without getting something in return. Once Walker was in OKC there wasn’t a team they could trade him to, which resulted in the buyout. Then Kemba signs on with NY and is ultimately benched. I see him struggling to catch on with a team much like IT did .

I thought it was pretty clear in the Toronto series before that even.  Yeah we won it in 7, but FVV and Lowry repeatedly went at and destroyed Kemba that series.

being unplayable is different from being a liability.  unplayable is someone that brings nothing to the table at all.  a liability is someone that has something to offer but not enough to compensate for their negatives.  A liability can be put in a situation where they can help the team whereas someone who's unplayable can't.

Yeah, people love to exaggerate here. We went to the ECF without our other max contract player in Hayward, and Kemba averaged 20/5/4/1 throughout those playoffs. I realize he had durability concerns in 20-21, but some of that was due to all of the extra b2bs with the condensed schedule.

I concede that Kemba wasn't able to make as much as an impact this past season as I'm sure he hoped, but I think it also goes to show just how good of a coach Brad Stevens was. He was able to bring out the best in teams featuring undersized players like IT and Kemba and put them in positions to succeed.

[Goldstar88]

BRobb dropped this nugget in a column today;

That was a high price to pay for a 35-year-old who had underachieved on an big contract with Philadelphia, but had been angling for months to return to Boston ahead of the eventual deal, according to league sources.

I suspect Danny was involved in Al's return as this was a very early off-season deal (June 17, 2021) and this sounds like the deal started to percolate several months earlier. Mannix also claimed last night that BOS was the only team willing to include an asset (draft pick) to get him and that other teams wanted an asset to take him.

"Every team that called Oklahoma City, they wanted the Thunder to attach an asset to take Al Horford," Mannix said Monday on Boston Sports Tonight. "The Celtics were the only team to offer something in exchange."

We got hosed!!

I’m hoping this is sarcasm. C’s traded away a player in Kemba that turned out to be unplayable and had a worse contract for a starting caliber PF who has been a top 2 or 3 player for Boston this postseason.

that's what we know about Kemba now.  at the time of the deal, he was not considered unplayable whereas Al was actually not playing.  makes me question again Brad's deal making abilities --> if no one else was offering an asset, could he have offered something less than that first rounder to make the deal happen?

I’m sure he tried to, but Sam Presti isn’t an idiot. That’s what it took to unload him.

[Roy H.]

BRobb dropped this nugget in a column today;

That was a high price to pay for a 35-year-old who had underachieved on an big contract with Philadelphia, but had been angling for months to return to Boston ahead of the eventual deal, according to league sources.

I suspect Danny was involved in Al's return as this was a very early off-season deal (June 17, 2021) and this sounds like the deal started to percolate several months earlier. Mannix also claimed last night that BOS was the only team willing to include an asset (draft pick) to get him and that other teams wanted an asset to take him.

"Every team that called Oklahoma City, they wanted the Thunder to attach an asset to take Al Horford," Mannix said Monday on Boston Sports Tonight. "The Celtics were the only team to offer something in exchange."

We got hosed!!

I’m hoping this is sarcasm. C’s traded away a player in Kemba that turned out to be unplayable and had a worse contract for a starting caliber PF who has been a top 2 or 3 player for Boston this postseason.

that's what we know about Kemba now.  at the time of the deal, he was not considered unplayable whereas Al was actually not playing.  makes me question again Brad's deal making abilities --> if no one else was offering an asset, could he have offered something less than that first rounder to make the deal happen?

I’m sure he tried to, but Sam Presti isn’t an idiot. That’s what it took to unload him.

What would have happened on draft night, I wonder?

[Goldstar88]

BRobb dropped this nugget in a column today;

That was a high price to pay for a 35-year-old who had underachieved on an big contract with Philadelphia, but had been angling for months to return to Boston ahead of the eventual deal, according to league sources.

I suspect Danny was involved in Al's return as this was a very early off-season deal (June 17, 2021) and this sounds like the deal started to percolate several months earlier. Mannix also claimed last night that BOS was the only team willing to include an asset (draft pick) to get him and that other teams wanted an asset to take him.

"Every team that called Oklahoma City, they wanted the Thunder to attach an asset to take Al Horford," Mannix said Monday on Boston Sports Tonight. "The Celtics were the only team to offer something in exchange."

We got hosed!!

I’m hoping this is sarcasm. C’s traded away a player in Kemba that turned out to be unplayable and had a worse contract for a starting caliber PF who has been a top 2 or 3 player for Boston this postseason.

that's what we know about Kemba now.  at the time of the deal, he was not considered unplayable whereas Al was actually not playing.  makes me question again Brad's deal making abilities --> if no one else was offering an asset, could he have offered something less than that first rounder to make the deal happen?

No, it was pretty clear after the Miami playoff series that Kemba was a complete Liability on the court.  Spolestra made that obvious with his strategy in attacking him every time the Heat had the ball. Sam Presti is a pretty smart guy and he’s not going to take on a player owed a ton of money that has negative trade value without getting something in return. Once Walker was in OKC there wasn’t a team they could trade him to, which resulted in the buyout. Then Kemba signs on with NY and is ultimately benched. I see him struggling to catch on with a team much like IT did .

I thought it was pretty clear in the Toronto series before that even.  Yeah we won it in 7, but FVV and Lowry repeatedly went at and destroyed Kemba that series.

being unplayable is different from being a liability.  unplayable is someone that brings nothing to the table at all.  a liability is someone that has something to offer but not enough to compensate for their negatives.  A liability can be put in a situation where they can help the team whereas someone who's unplayable can't.

His last year with the C’s he shot 42% from the field and 36% from 3pt. So you have an average shooter who is a complete liability defensively which makes him unplayable. He’s basically in the same boat as IT.