Celtics Team Vaccination status

[Roy H.]

If Canada had no laws against PED's or drugs, do we think the NBA would allow that? They would take action to ensure the whole league is on an even playing field.

As I stated in another thread, teams in places with mandatory vaccines should be told they have to play at a neutral site with no mandates for their home games.

Problem solved.

Players should just get vaccinated.  Problem solved.

Can you 100% guarantee there will be no adverse side effects?

Does anything have a 100% guarantee?

No, but that is not the point. The issue is forcing someone to inject something into their body in order to work when we don't have enough data on the long term effects etc.

I'm not anti vax by any means, I am anti coercion.

People who are "immunized" are still catching it. There is no basis to force someone to take something that could harm them when that substance is still not stopping infection.

If you make vaccination optional, you are coercing workers who may not have wanted to risk working with unvaccinated co-workers.

It boils down to showing some wisdom. I don't care how anti-vax you are right now, but as an infectious disease becomes more and more dangerous, at some point almost everyone would start to accept increasing levels of coercion.

1. If someone is vaccinated, they are at no reasonable risk from an unvaccinated person, especially one who can be tested and quarantined, if symptomatic.

2. "as an infectious disease becomes more and more dangerous" you will need much lower levels of coercion because voluntary adherence will increase.

#1 certainly isn't true.  Vaccinated people get Covid all of the time, including from unvaccinated people.  And, how likely is it that people who won't wear masks will voluntarily take tests and be quarantined?  That's even ignoring that asymptomatic people can spread Covid.

#2  I'm also not sure that this is true.  Even as Delta spread, lots and lots of folks didn't vaccinate.

If we get another, even deadlier and more infectious strain of Covid, I hope states make it illegal to not be vaccinated, and make it illegal for employers to employ unvaccinated people.  If that means we lose more basketball games because we have stupid employees, so be it.

[angryguy77]

If Canada had no laws against PED's or drugs, do we think the NBA would allow that? They would take action to ensure the whole league is on an even playing field.

As I stated in another thread, teams in places with mandatory vaccines should be told they have to play at a neutral site with no mandates for their home games.

Problem solved.

Players should just get vaccinated.  Problem solved.

Can you 100% guarantee there will be no adverse side effects?

Does anything have a 100% guarantee?

No, but that is not the point. The issue is forcing someone to inject something into their body in order to work when we don't have enough data on the long term effects etc.

I'm not anti vax by any means, I am anti coercion.

People who are "immunized" are still catching it. There is no basis to force someone to take something that could harm them when that substance is still not stopping infection.

If you make vaccination optional, you are coercing workers who may not have wanted to risk working with unvaccinated co-workers.

It boils down to showing some wisdom. I don't care how anti-vax you are right now, but as an infectious disease becomes more and more dangerous, at some point almost everyone would start to accept increasing levels of coercion.

1. If someone is vaccinated, they are at no reasonable risk from an unvaccinated person, especially one who can be tested and quarantined, if symptomatic.

2. "as an infectious disease becomes more and more dangerous" you will need much lower levels of coercion because voluntary adherence will increase.

#1 certainly isn't true.  Vaccinated people get Covid all of the time, including from unvaccinated people.  And, how likely is it that people who won't wear masks will voluntarily take tests and be quarantined?  That's even ignoring that asymptomatic people can spread Covid.

#2  I'm also not sure that this is true.  Even as Delta spread, lots and lots of folks didn't vaccinate.

If we get another, even deadlier and more infectious strain of Covid, I hope states make it illegal to not be vaccinated, and make it illegal for employers to employ unvaccinated people.  If that means we lose more basketball games because we have stupid employees, so be it.

The first sentence of your response says it all. If vaxxed get it all the time, then what are we doing here?

Remember, same people telling you the Vax is needed yadda yadda are the same people who allowed 1000's unvaxxed in the country illegally and then shipped them all-over the US.

At some point people have to stop the theater and start questioning. Biggest baddest plague of all time......yet no military at the border to stop potential infected people from crossing over.

This has all been theater. These nba players are at about as low a risk you can be to suffer harm from this. They don't need the shot.

We live in a timeline where "science" is telling us an shot that isn't stopping infection is better than natural immunity. 

If covid did one thing, it allowed the mother of all virtual signals to be exercised.

[bdm860]

If Canada had no laws against PED's or drugs, do we think the NBA would allow that? They would take action to ensure the whole league is on an even playing field.

As I stated in another thread, teams in places with mandatory vaccines should be told they have to play at a neutral site with no mandates for their home games.

Problem solved.

Players should just get vaccinated.  Problem solved.

Can you 100% guarantee there will be no adverse side effects?

Does anything have a 100% guarantee?

No, but that is not the point. The issue is forcing someone to inject something into their body in order to work when we don't have enough data on the long term effects etc.

I'm not anti vax by any means, I am anti coercion.

People who are "immunized" are still catching it. There is no basis to force someone to take something that could harm them when that substance is still not stopping infection.

If you make vaccination optional, you are coercing workers who may not have wanted to risk working with unvaccinated co-workers.

It boils down to showing some wisdom. I don't care how anti-vax you are right now, but as an infectious disease becomes more and more dangerous, at some point almost everyone would start to accept increasing levels of coercion.

1. If someone is vaccinated, they are at no reasonable risk from an unvaccinated person, especially one who can be tested and quarantined, if symptomatic.

2. "as an infectious disease becomes more and more dangerous" you will need much lower levels of coercion because voluntary adherence will increase.

#1 certainly isn't true.  Vaccinated people get Covid all of the time, including from unvaccinated people.  And, how likely is it that people who won't wear masks will voluntarily take tests and be quarantined?  That's even ignoring that asymptomatic people can spread Covid.

#2  I'm also not sure that this is true.  Even as Delta spread, lots and lots of folks didn't vaccinate.

If we get another, even deadlier and more infectious strain of Covid, I hope states make it illegal to not be vaccinated, and make it illegal for employers to employ unvaccinated people.  If that means we lose more basketball games because we have stupid employees, so be it.

The first sentence of your response says it all. If vaxxed get it all the time, then what are we doing here?

Remember, same people telling you the Vax is needed yadda yadda are the same people who allowed 1000's unvaxxed in the country illegally and then shipped them all-over the US.

At some point people have to stop the theater and start questioning. Biggest baddest plague of all time......yet no military at the border to stop potential infected people from crossing over.

This has all been theater. These nba players are at about as low a risk you can be to suffer harm from this. They don't need the shot.

We live in a timeline where "science" is telling us an shot that isn't stopping infection is better than natural immunity. 

If covid did one thing, it allowed the mother of all virtual signals to be exercised.

The world is bigger than the US.  The people telling everyone to get vaxxed are experts from all over the world.

This specific thread topic is because of Canada's requirement.  Do you think they're somehow in cahoots with the US governments immigration policies?

When you google questions like "why should I get vaccinated if I can still get Covid" what do you think of the answers that come up?

[KeepBigAl]

I know it's a tough spot with the national law - but completely ridiculous that we are having to deal/strategize around this. What kind of safety upside is there by having this rule in place in only ONE city?  Not sure if they could have done more, but the NBA should have pressured hard to get some form of exception here.  Totally unfair and accomplishes nothing.

Well, it's just what you said. The NBA has no jurisdiction over Canadian laws, and Canada isn't going to change them to accommodate athletes. Whether you (or anyone else) believe it makes sense or not is irrelevant.

Mike

 I'm just hoping they made an effort, especially with zero safety upside if the 19 other teams are all mixing both vaxed and unvaxed - rendering this rule totally irrelevant.

Don't act like the policy is an arbitrary thing that can be dismissed just because its effects are infinitesimal. Being unvaccinated is the only arbitrary variable in this scenario because its effects on others are infinitesimal. 

I don't have to act like anything.  This is a restriction based on CA's 100% arbitrary rule - clear and simple.

For the folks who keep saying 'get vaccinated' to solve the problem.  What problem are you solving (other than bindly following a rule serving no purpose)? If the problem is preventing transmission, wouldn't daily testing be more effective?

[Roy H.]

These nba players are at about as low a risk you can be to suffer harm from this. They don't need the shot.

And yet, Tatum suffered lung damage, and Fournier suffered eyesight loss.  That's just among recent Celtics.

At this point, I think "vaccinated only" rules serve little purpose, since the vaccines aren't really all that effective against the dominant strains of Covid.  But, during Delta, it was a poor decision, particularly for people who go out a lot in high population areas.

[gift]

If Canada had no laws against PED's or drugs, do we think the NBA would allow that? They would take action to ensure the whole league is on an even playing field.

As I stated in another thread, teams in places with mandatory vaccines should be told they have to play at a neutral site with no mandates for their home games.

Problem solved.

Players should just get vaccinated.  Problem solved.

Can you 100% guarantee there will be no adverse side effects?

Does anything have a 100% guarantee?

No, but that is not the point. The issue is forcing someone to inject something into their body in order to work when we don't have enough data on the long term effects etc.

I'm not anti vax by any means, I am anti coercion.

People who are "immunized" are still catching it. There is no basis to force someone to take something that could harm them when that substance is still not stopping infection.

If you make vaccination optional, you are coercing workers who may not have wanted to risk working with unvaccinated co-workers.

It boils down to showing some wisdom. I don't care how anti-vax you are right now, but as an infectious disease becomes more and more dangerous, at some point almost everyone would start to accept increasing levels of coercion.

1. If someone is vaccinated, they are at no reasonable risk from an unvaccinated person, especially one who can be tested and quarantined, if symptomatic.

2. "as an infectious disease becomes more and more dangerous" you will need much lower levels of coercion because voluntary adherence will increase.

#1 certainly isn't true.  Vaccinated people get Covid all of the time, including from unvaccinated people.  And, how likely is it that people who won't wear masks will voluntarily take tests and be quarantined?  That's even ignoring that asymptomatic people can spread Covid.

#2  I'm also not sure that this is true.  Even as Delta spread, lots and lots of folks didn't vaccinate.

If we get another, even deadlier and more infectious strain of Covid, I hope states make it illegal to not be vaccinated, and make it illegal for employers to employ unvaccinated people.  If that means we lose more basketball games because we have stupid employees, so be it.

re-read what you just wrote. #1 is undeniably true unless vaccination itself is less efficacious to a degree with which it no longer compels its own case.

[Moranis]

These nba players are at about as low a risk you can be to suffer harm from this. They don't need the shot.

And yet, Tatum suffered lung damage, and Fournier suffered eyesight loss.  That's just among recent Celtics.

At this point, I think "vaccinated only" rules serve little purpose, since the vaccines aren't really all that effective against the dominant strains of Covid.  But, during Delta, it was a poor decision, particularly for people who go out a lot in high population areas.

And both very likely would have suffered neither of those if they had the shot.  The long term effects and severity are greatly reduced if you have the anti-bodies in your system. 

[gift]

I know it's a tough spot with the national law - but completely ridiculous that we are having to deal/strategize around this. What kind of safety upside is there by having this rule in place in only ONE city?  Not sure if they could have done more, but the NBA should have pressured hard to get some form of exception here.  Totally unfair and accomplishes nothing.

Well, it's just what you said. The NBA has no jurisdiction over Canadian laws, and Canada isn't going to change them to accommodate athletes. Whether you (or anyone else) believe it makes sense or not is irrelevant.

Mike

 I'm just hoping they made an effort, especially with zero safety upside if the 19 other teams are all mixing both vaxed and unvaxed - rendering this rule totally irrelevant.

Don't act like the policy is an arbitrary thing that can be dismissed just because its effects are infinitesimal. Being unvaccinated is the only arbitrary variable in this scenario because its effects on others are infinitesimal. 

I don't have to act like anything.  This is a restriction based on CA's 100% arbitrary rule - clear and simple.

For the folks who keep saying 'get vaccinated' to solve the problem.  What problem are you solving (other than bindly following a rule serving no purpose)? If the problem is preventing transmission, wouldn't daily testing be more effective?

My response was sarcasm. People act like one stance is arbitrary and easily dismissed when it is equally arbitrary to its very cause.

[keevsnick]

On a March 29 episode of TSN’s OverDrive, Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated seemingly put all that uncertainty to rest, revealing that two of the four are, in fact, unvaccinated – Brown and Horford. (H/T ProCity Hoops) “The variable in all this is, who can play in Toronto? Like, the Celtics have some unvaccinated guys. My understanding is, Jaylen Brown is unvaccinated, Al Horford is unvaccinated. Now, that can still change. There’s still enough time left in the season where, if they decide to get the vaccine, they will be eligible to play in a postseason game in Toronto. But, the Celtics are not the Celtics without Jaylen or Al Horford, and I’m certain they don’t want to go up to Toronto in that situation.” Mannix stated that, according to his knowledge, neither Brown nor Horford is vaccinated. And while there is still time to change that, as of now, neither is eligible to play in Toronto. 7 hours ago – via Jack Simone @ Heavy.com

Its worth pointing out that even Mannix isn't backing up Mannix here.

https://twitter.com/SIChrisMannix/status/1509537085354557450?s=20&t=5xFmoVCmYV4I2rMfbbbV9A

Here he replies to a follow up tweet saying that he never said they were unvaccinated (LOL, he totally did) only that they never confirmed they were. It seems like Mannix likely misspoke or misrepresented what exactly he knew and is trying to walk it back.

We have exactly ONE report asserting that Celtics players are unvaccinated. That's from Gary Washburn saying two aren't. Everything else is speculation based on the missed game in TOR and the c's refusal to answer the question. And honestly its entirely possible Washburns sources are themselves "speculating." Even the original ESPN report never said C's players were unvaccinated, it was just "asking questions."

[gift]

These nba players are at about as low a risk you can be to suffer harm from this. They don't need the shot.

And yet, Tatum suffered lung damage, and Fournier suffered eyesight loss.  That's just among recent Celtics.

At this point, I think "vaccinated only" rules serve little purpose, since the vaccines aren't really all that effective against the dominant strains of Covid.  But, during Delta, it was a poor decision, particularly for people who go out a lot in high population areas.

And both very likely would have suffered neither of those if they had the shot.  The long term effects and severity are greatly reduced if you have the anti-bodies in your system.

There are a lot of factors involved like the timing of your vaccinations and the circulating strains as well as personal health factors. It's almost like players are best served deciding for themselves rather than doing it to comply with a broad, frivolous policy, or for sake of people who can form the words "just get vaccinated" which requires a bunch of mouth muscles and little mental energy in order to manifest.

[SHAQATTACK]

Too many beers I guess ….

I thought the thread said

“ Celtics team Vacation status “ 

[Donoghus]

Well, there we go.

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1512567742557310977?s=21&t=J6kW7CGmum-GtrzBFCXL1w

New: Al Horford told the Globe that he is fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and would be cleared to play in a playoff series in Toronto.

[Goldstar88]

Well, there we go.

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1512567742557310977?s=21&t=J6kW7CGmum-GtrzBFCXL1w

New: Al Horford told the Globe that he is fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and would be cleared to play in a playoff series in Toronto.

Awesome. Hopefully we get another globe report saying the same for JB.

[Emmette Bryant]

Well, there we go.

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1512567742557310977?s=21&t=J6kW7CGmum-GtrzBFCXL1w

New: Al Horford told the Globe that he is fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and would be cleared to play in a playoff series in Toronto.

Awesome. Hopefully we get another globe report saying the same for JB.

Looks like we had a report from Brian Robb at the beginning of the season:

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2021/10/payton-pritchard-likely-broke-his-nose-celtics-guard-will-travel-back-to-boston-for-evaluation.html?outputType=amp

Boston may also be without big man Al Horford for the team’s regular season opener as he awaits clearance from the NBA health and safety protocols after a positive COVID-19 test earlier this week. Jaylen Brown is expected to be cleared in time to play next Wednesday after testing positive for COVID-19 last Friday. League sources indicated to MassLive.com that both Horford and Brown suffered breakthrough cases and are vaccinated.

[jambr380]

Well, there we go.

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1512567742557310977?s=21&t=J6kW7CGmum-GtrzBFCXL1w

New: Al Horford told the Globe that he is fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and would be cleared to play in a playoff series in Toronto.

TP for posting the link. I am happy to take the W on this one as I was never in doubt about him or Brown.

Unlike Al, I don't think Brown will actually declare to the world his status (since he specifically said he wouldn't), but being able to play against 'anybody' and praising vaccination rates of the NBA and WNBA before the season should be a clear sign what his status is.

Even if JB is miraculously not vaccinated, Mannix still looks like a fool in this particular case. All these reporters are circle-jerking each other without actually listening to what the players themselves - or Ime - have to say.