Celtics Team Vaccination status

[ozgod]

I know it's a tough spot with the national law - but completely ridiculous that we are having to deal/strategize around this. What kind of safety upside is there by having this rule in place in only ONE city?  Not sure if they could have done more, but the NBA should have pressured hard to get some form of exception here.  Totally unfair and accomplishes nothing.

Well, it's just what you said. The NBA has no jurisdiction over Canadian laws, and Canada isn't going to change them to accommodate athletes. Whether you (or anyone else) believe it makes sense or not is irrelevant.

Mike

Yep, their country their laws...and because the NBA is only active in one city, they probably have limited influence to try and change things. The NHL would have a better shot at it, but I don't think the Canadian government is going to bend to pressure from sports teams to waive the rule for foreigners entering the country. After all, the US has the same rule - all noncitizens, nonimmigrants entering the US have to be fully vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/proof-of-vaccination.html

Back to the Cs...I don't think it will be a big deal. I don't know why they don't want to just say they're vaccinated, but some people are private that way.

[angryguy77]

If Canada had no laws against PED's or drugs, do we think the NBA would allow that? They would take action to ensure the whole league is on an even playing field.

As I stated in another thread, teams in places with mandatory vaccines should be told they have to play at a neutral site with no mandates for their home games.

Problem solved.

Players should just get vaccinated.  Problem solved.

Can you 100% guarantee there will be no adverse side effects?

[Celtics2021]

If Canada had no laws against PED's or drugs, do we think the NBA would allow that? They would take action to ensure the whole league is on an even playing field.

As I stated in another thread, teams in places with mandatory vaccines should be told they have to play at a neutral site with no mandates for their home games.

Problem solved.

Players should just get vaccinated.  Problem solved.

Can you 100% guarantee there will be no adverse side effects?

I can 100% guarantee that the risk of adverse side effects from this vaccine is significantly lower than the risk of adverse side effects from playing basketball.

[Donoghus]

If Canada had no laws against PED's or drugs, do we think the NBA would allow that? They would take action to ensure the whole league is on an even playing field.

As I stated in another thread, teams in places with mandatory vaccines should be told they have to play at a neutral site with no mandates for their home games.

Problem solved.

Players should just get vaccinated.  Problem solved.

Can you 100% guarantee there will be no adverse side effects?

Does anything have a 100% guarantee?

[angryguy77]

If Canada had no laws against PED's or drugs, do we think the NBA would allow that? They would take action to ensure the whole league is on an even playing field.

As I stated in another thread, teams in places with mandatory vaccines should be told they have to play at a neutral site with no mandates for their home games.

Problem solved.

Players should just get vaccinated.  Problem solved.

Can you 100% guarantee there will be no adverse side effects?

I can 100% guarantee that the risk of adverse side effects from this vaccine is significantly lower than the risk of adverse side effects from playing basketball.

Um no you cannot guarantee that. Vaccines usually are studied for years before they are allowed to be given to the public. No one can say what happens years down the road. I'm not saying there will be, but I can't say there won't either. We do know that young males have had heart issues, we've had some instances of athletes dropping over. Yes most people may not have an issue, but some might. This is why decisions like this should be left up to the person because it is their health.

Further, there is such a thing as natural immunity and the fact governments are totally ignoring that should be cause for concern.

[angryguy77]

If Canada had no laws against PED's or drugs, do we think the NBA would allow that? They would take action to ensure the whole league is on an even playing field.

As I stated in another thread, teams in places with mandatory vaccines should be told they have to play at a neutral site with no mandates for their home games.

Problem solved.

Players should just get vaccinated.  Problem solved.

Can you 100% guarantee there will be no adverse side effects?

Does anything have a 100% guarantee?

No, but that is not the point. The issue is forcing someone to inject something into their body in order to work when we don't have enough data on the long term effects etc.

I'm not anti vax by any means, I am anti coercion.

People who are "immunized" are still catching it. There is no basis to force someone to take something that could harm them when that substance is still not stopping infection.

[droopdog7]

If Canada had no laws against PED's or drugs, do we think the NBA would allow that? They would take action to ensure the whole league is on an even playing field.

As I stated in another thread, teams in places with mandatory vaccines should be told they have to play at a neutral site with no mandates for their home games.

Problem solved.

Players should just get vaccinated.  Problem solved.

Can you 100% guarantee there will be no adverse side effects?

I can 100% guarantee that the risk of adverse side effects from this vaccine is significantly lower than the risk of adverse side effects from playing basketball.

Um no you cannot guarantee that. Vaccines usually are studied for years before they are allowed to be given to the public. No one can say what happens years down the road. I'm not saying there will be, but I can't say there won't either. We do know that young males have had heart issues, we've had some instances of athletes dropping over. Yes most people may not have an issue, but some might. This is why decisions like this should be left up to the person because it is their health.

Further, there is such a thing as natural immunity and the fact governments are totally ignoring that should be cause for concern.

Freedom!

[Goldstar88]

On a March 29 episode of TSN’s OverDrive, Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated seemingly put all that uncertainty to rest, revealing that two of the four are, in fact, unvaccinated – Brown and Horford. (H/T ProCity Hoops) “The variable in all this is, who can play in Toronto? Like, the Celtics have some unvaccinated guys. My understanding is, Jaylen Brown is unvaccinated, Al Horford is unvaccinated. Now, that can still change. There’s still enough time left in the season where, if they decide to get the vaccine, they will be eligible to play in a postseason game in Toronto. But, the Celtics are not the Celtics without Jaylen or Al Horford, and I’m certain they don’t want to go up to Toronto in that situation.” Mannix stated that, according to his knowledge, neither Brown nor Horford is vaccinated. And while there is still time to change that, as of now, neither is eligible to play in Toronto. 7 hours ago – via Jack Simone @ Heavy.com

[Donoghus]

On a March 29 episode of TSN’s OverDrive, Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated seemingly put all that uncertainty to rest, revealing that two of the four are, in fact, unvaccinated – Brown and Horford. (H/T ProCity Hoops) “The variable in all this is, who can play in Toronto? Like, the Celtics have some unvaccinated guys. My understanding is, Jaylen Brown is unvaccinated, Al Horford is unvaccinated. Now, that can still change. There’s still enough time left in the season where, if they decide to get the vaccine, they will be eligible to play in a postseason game in Toronto. But, the Celtics are not the Celtics without Jaylen or Al Horford, and I’m certain they don’t want to go up to Toronto in that situation.” Mannix stated that, according to his knowledge, neither Brown nor Horford is vaccinated. And while there is still time to change that, as of now, neither is eligible to play in Toronto. 7 hours ago – via Jack Simone @ Heavy.com

We're past the point to change it now if this is true. 

[mef730]

Would folks rather take the 2 seed with a chance (almost guarantee) to play Brooklyn at full strength or risk losing out and taking the 4 seed to play Toronto without Jaylen and Horford for half the series?
I almost feel like the Nets are the lesser of two evils here

I maintain that the Nets are one Kyrie temper tantrum away from losing this one. If I had to bet, I'd certainly bet on Brooklyn being the 7, but I'm more like 75/25 than 90/10.

But yes, I'd rather play Brooklyn. We can beat them and, even without TL, should be favored.

Mike

[Celtics2021]

On a March 29 episode of TSN’s OverDrive, Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated seemingly put all that uncertainty to rest, revealing that two of the four are, in fact, unvaccinated – Brown and Horford. (H/T ProCity Hoops) “The variable in all this is, who can play in Toronto? Like, the Celtics have some unvaccinated guys. My understanding is, Jaylen Brown is unvaccinated, Al Horford is unvaccinated. Now, that can still change. There’s still enough time left in the season where, if they decide to get the vaccine, they will be eligible to play in a postseason game in Toronto. But, the Celtics are not the Celtics without Jaylen or Al Horford, and I’m certain they don’t want to go up to Toronto in that situation.” Mannix stated that, according to his knowledge, neither Brown nor Horford is vaccinated. And while there is still time to change that, as of now, neither is eligible to play in Toronto. 7 hours ago – via Jack Simone @ Heavy.com

Yeah, that same Chris Mannix who said that Smart was more likely to be traded now that Brad was in charge about two days before he signed his extension...

[Roy H.]

On a March 29 episode of TSN’s OverDrive, Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated seemingly put all that uncertainty to rest, revealing that two of the four are, in fact, unvaccinated – Brown and Horford. (H/T ProCity Hoops) “The variable in all this is, who can play in Toronto? Like, the Celtics have some unvaccinated guys. My understanding is, Jaylen Brown is unvaccinated, Al Horford is unvaccinated. Now, that can still change. There’s still enough time left in the season where, if they decide to get the vaccine, they will be eligible to play in a postseason game in Toronto. But, the Celtics are not the Celtics without Jaylen or Al Horford, and I’m certain they don’t want to go up to Toronto in that situation.” Mannix stated that, according to his knowledge, neither Brown nor Horford is vaccinated. And while there is still time to change that, as of now, neither is eligible to play in Toronto. 7 hours ago – via Jack Simone @ Heavy.com

We're past the point to change it now if this is true.

Hopefully, even if it was true on 3/29 it's not true any longer.

Funny enough, I don't trust Mannix all that much here.  I do trust our very own MattyIce, however, and he's indicated multiple times that it's his understanding that at least one player is unvaccinated.

[td450]

If Canada had no laws against PED's or drugs, do we think the NBA would allow that? They would take action to ensure the whole league is on an even playing field.

As I stated in another thread, teams in places with mandatory vaccines should be told they have to play at a neutral site with no mandates for their home games.

Problem solved.

Players should just get vaccinated.  Problem solved.

Can you 100% guarantee there will be no adverse side effects?

Does anything have a 100% guarantee?

No, but that is not the point. The issue is forcing someone to inject something into their body in order to work when we don't have enough data on the long term effects etc.

I'm not anti vax by any means, I am anti coercion.

People who are "immunized" are still catching it. There is no basis to force someone to take something that could harm them when that substance is still not stopping infection.

Ultimately, I agree that you can't force someone to inject something into their bodies.

But whether or not you make it a condition of employment, assuming that a person works with other people, either choice is coercive to someone.

If it is a condition of employment, you are coercing workers who may not want to risk taking the vaccine.

If you make vaccination optional, you are coercing workers who may not have wanted to risk working with unvaccinated co-workers.

It boils down to showing some wisdom. I don't care how anti-vax you are right now, but as an infectious disease becomes more and more dangerous, at some point almost everyone would start to accept increasing levels of coercion.

Hopefully this is as bad as it gets in our lifetime.

[Goldstar88]

On a March 29 episode of TSN’s OverDrive, Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated seemingly put all that uncertainty to rest, revealing that two of the four are, in fact, unvaccinated – Brown and Horford. (H/T ProCity Hoops) “The variable in all this is, who can play in Toronto? Like, the Celtics have some unvaccinated guys. My understanding is, Jaylen Brown is unvaccinated, Al Horford is unvaccinated. Now, that can still change. There’s still enough time left in the season where, if they decide to get the vaccine, they will be eligible to play in a postseason game in Toronto. But, the Celtics are not the Celtics without Jaylen or Al Horford, and I’m certain they don’t want to go up to Toronto in that situation.” Mannix stated that, according to his knowledge, neither Brown nor Horford is vaccinated. And while there is still time to change that, as of now, neither is eligible to play in Toronto. 7 hours ago – via Jack Simone @ Heavy.com

We're past the point to change it now if this is true.

Hopefully, even if it was true on 3/29 it's not true any longer.

Funny enough, I don't trust Mannix all that much here.  I do trust our very own MattyIce, however, and he's indicated multiple times that it's his understanding that at least one player is unvaccinated.

I don’t like Mannix, but I do believe him here. He’s been covering the NBA for almost 20 years, worked for the C’s for 8 years. Hopefully those guys are vaccinated now, but If I had to bet on it, would bet that they are not.

[gift]

If Canada had no laws against PED's or drugs, do we think the NBA would allow that? They would take action to ensure the whole league is on an even playing field.

As I stated in another thread, teams in places with mandatory vaccines should be told they have to play at a neutral site with no mandates for their home games.

Problem solved.

Players should just get vaccinated.  Problem solved.

Can you 100% guarantee there will be no adverse side effects?

Does anything have a 100% guarantee?

No, but that is not the point. The issue is forcing someone to inject something into their body in order to work when we don't have enough data on the long term effects etc.

I'm not anti vax by any means, I am anti coercion.

People who are "immunized" are still catching it. There is no basis to force someone to take something that could harm them when that substance is still not stopping infection.

If you make vaccination optional, you are coercing workers who may not have wanted to risk working with unvaccinated co-workers.

It boils down to showing some wisdom. I don't care how anti-vax you are right now, but as an infectious disease becomes more and more dangerous, at some point almost everyone would start to accept increasing levels of coercion.

1. If someone is vaccinated, they are at no reasonable risk from an unvaccinated person, especially one who can be tested and quarantined, if symptomatic.

2. "as an infectious disease becomes more and more dangerous" you will need much lower levels of coercion because voluntary adherence will increase.