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Re: Celtics trade grades?
« Reply #150 on: March 07, 2022, 01:43:29 PM »

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my biggest gripe, other than the fact we seriously overpaid, is that he's not a real offensive threat.  Schroder could go off for 20 in a game as could Richardson.  White, not at all.

Richardson only scored 20+ twice all season.  White will start producing more I suspect.

yeah white had 9 20 pt games this season alone.

As a featured guy on a lottery team.
yup.  big difference putting up points on a team with few other options to do so and putting them up on a team with other options.  Schroder showed he was capable of providing that third scorer when one of the J's wasn't having a good night.  He did tend to be a ball stopper but he was still someone the defense had to respect.  Same with Richardson even though he didn't put up many 20 point games, he was a threat on the floor to score.  White isn't showing that.  I hope that changes.  I really, really do because the J's by themselves aren't enough to carry the offense every night in the playoffs.

How is Richardson a threat to score but White isn't?  Richardson put up less points in about equal minutes.

Schroder scored 3.2 points more per game on 1.6 more FGAs.

I get the argument that we lost two rotation players, which White can't replace by himself.  We just have to hope that Theis and Pritchard pick up the slack until White gets feeling right.
Richardson with the C's: 39.7% from 3.  63.6% from 2.  44.3% fg% overall.  85.9% from the line
White with the C's: 26.7% from 3. 54.2% from 2.  40.9% fg% overall.  82.8% from the line.

Richardson's numbers - other teams have to guard him all over the court.  he's a threat to score.
White's numbers - back off from the 3 to guard against the drive/dish thus giving the D an opportunity to help off White, clog the lane and dare him to shoot from 3 which is a low-success shot for him (for most of his career he hasn't exactly lit it up from 3).
Even Smart is hitting 3's at a 32.6% clip and he's frequently not tightly covered at the 3 line.

In short, other teams can approach him as a 'prove it to me' shooter before having to worry about guarding him out to the 3 unlike Richardson.  we've seen this time and time again used against Marcus with some success.  same will be done with White. 

I think he brings improved ball handling and passing to the team over Richardson and a more team-oriented offensive approach than Schroder but he doesn't provide enough of anything to justify the cost of that trade nor the followup to move Schroder.

What I worry about with White is that he started out playing well for the first few games and has been getting worse, which is odd. Not just his scoring either. His defense has looked mediocre and he’s not getting assists. Certain players may not be good 3 point shooters, but they at least have a midrange game. Derrick can’t hit a shot from anywhere outside of the paint right now. It’s concerning.
very concerning.  he should be acclimating to how the C's play and improving.  he's going in the opposite direction.  I'm hoping this is just a blip on the radar and next year he's looking great but I'm really thinking he's going to be an underperformer here until his deal is up.

His best game was probably three games ago against Atlanta, where he scored 18 with 5 assists on good efficiency.


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Re: Celtics trade grades?
« Reply #151 on: March 07, 2022, 02:11:25 PM »

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my biggest gripe, other than the fact we seriously overpaid, is that he's not a real offensive threat.  Schroder could go off for 20 in a game as could Richardson.  White, not at all.

Richardson only scored 20+ twice all season.  White will start producing more I suspect.

yeah white had 9 20 pt games this season alone.

As a featured guy on a lottery team.
yup.  big difference putting up points on a team with few other options to do so and putting them up on a team with other options.  Schroder showed he was capable of providing that third scorer when one of the J's wasn't having a good night.  He did tend to be a ball stopper but he was still someone the defense had to respect.  Same with Richardson even though he didn't put up many 20 point games, he was a threat on the floor to score.  White isn't showing that.  I hope that changes.  I really, really do because the J's by themselves aren't enough to carry the offense every night in the playoffs.

How is Richardson a threat to score but White isn't?  Richardson put up less points in about equal minutes.

Schroder scored 3.2 points more per game on 1.6 more FGAs.

I get the argument that we lost two rotation players, which White can't replace by himself.  We just have to hope that Theis and Pritchard pick up the slack until White gets feeling right.
Richardson with the C's: 39.7% from 3.  63.6% from 2.  44.3% fg% overall.  85.9% from the line
White with the C's: 26.7% from 3. 54.2% from 2.  40.9% fg% overall.  82.8% from the line.

Richardson's numbers - other teams have to guard him all over the court.  he's a threat to score.
White's numbers - back off from the 3 to guard against the drive/dish thus giving the D an opportunity to help off White, clog the lane and dare him to shoot from 3 which is a low-success shot for him (for most of his career he hasn't exactly lit it up from 3).
Even Smart is hitting 3's at a 32.6% clip and he's frequently not tightly covered at the 3 line.

In short, other teams can approach him as a 'prove it to me' shooter before having to worry about guarding him out to the 3 unlike Richardson.  we've seen this time and time again used against Marcus with some success.  same will be done with White. 

I think he brings improved ball handling and passing to the team over Richardson and a more team-oriented offensive approach than Schroder but he doesn't provide enough of anything to justify the cost of that trade nor the followup to move Schroder.

What I worry about with White is that he started out playing well for the first few games and has been getting worse, which is odd. Not just his scoring either. His defense has looked mediocre and he’s not getting assists. Certain players may not be good 3 point shooters, but they at least have a midrange game. Derrick can’t hit a shot from anywhere outside of the paint right now. It’s concerning.
very concerning.  he should be acclimating to how the C's play and improving.  he's going in the opposite direction.  I'm hoping this is just a blip on the radar and next year he's looking great but I'm really thinking he's going to be an underperformer here until his deal is up.

Two things:

1) I'd be careful of small sample sizes, especially with midseason acquisitions.  It took the Celtics months of playing together to get to where they're at in terms of rhythm and chemistry, while White has been here for weeks.  It's going to ebb and flow, as he sees different lineups every night, but I think it's a good sign that at a minimum he's been able to tread water.  The learning curve was supposed to be less because he'd been with Udoka before, and had played with our core guys for a month in FIBA play, but less does not equal zero.  I expect him to continue to fit in and find the moments where he can contribute more, but I don't think we beat Atlanta last week without him stepping up after Jaylen went down, so he's already had some good moments.

2) White was always billed as someone who's contribution goes beyond the simple box score stats, so if you're looking to those for your evaluation, you're going to find yourself generally disappointed.

Re: Celtics trade grades?
« Reply #152 on: March 07, 2022, 02:34:37 PM »

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my biggest gripe, other than the fact we seriously overpaid, is that he's not a real offensive threat.  Schroder could go off for 20 in a game as could Richardson.  White, not at all.

Richardson only scored 20+ twice all season.  White will start producing more I suspect.

yeah white had 9 20 pt games this season alone.

As a featured guy on a lottery team.
yup.  big difference putting up points on a team with few other options to do so and putting them up on a team with other options.  Schroder showed he was capable of providing that third scorer when one of the J's wasn't having a good night.  He did tend to be a ball stopper but he was still someone the defense had to respect.  Same with Richardson even though he didn't put up many 20 point games, he was a threat on the floor to score.  White isn't showing that.  I hope that changes.  I really, really do because the J's by themselves aren't enough to carry the offense every night in the playoffs.

How is Richardson a threat to score but White isn't?  Richardson put up less points in about equal minutes.

Schroder scored 3.2 points more per game on 1.6 more FGAs.

I get the argument that we lost two rotation players, which White can't replace by himself.  We just have to hope that Theis and Pritchard pick up the slack until White gets feeling right.
Richardson with the C's: 39.7% from 3.  63.6% from 2.  44.3% fg% overall.  85.9% from the line
White with the C's: 26.7% from 3. 54.2% from 2.  40.9% fg% overall.  82.8% from the line.

Richardson's numbers - other teams have to guard him all over the court.  he's a threat to score.
White's numbers - back off from the 3 to guard against the drive/dish thus giving the D an opportunity to help off White, clog the lane and dare him to shoot from 3 which is a low-success shot for him (for most of his career he hasn't exactly lit it up from 3).
Even Smart is hitting 3's at a 32.6% clip and he's frequently not tightly covered at the 3 line.

In short, other teams can approach him as a 'prove it to me' shooter before having to worry about guarding him out to the 3 unlike Richardson.  we've seen this time and time again used against Marcus with some success.  same will be done with White. 

I think he brings improved ball handling and passing to the team over Richardson and a more team-oriented offensive approach than Schroder but he doesn't provide enough of anything to justify the cost of that trade nor the followup to move Schroder.

What I worry about with White is that he started out playing well for the first few games and has been getting worse, which is odd. Not just his scoring either. His defense has looked mediocre and he’s not getting assists. Certain players may not be good 3 point shooters, but they at least have a midrange game. Derrick can’t hit a shot from anywhere outside of the paint right now. It’s concerning.
very concerning.  he should be acclimating to how the C's play and improving.  he's going in the opposite direction.  I'm hoping this is just a blip on the radar and next year he's looking great but I'm really thinking he's going to be an underperformer here until his deal is up.

Two things:

1) I'd be careful of small sample sizes, especially with midseason acquisitions.  It took the Celtics months of playing together to get to where they're at in terms of rhythm and chemistry, while White has been here for weeks.  It's going to ebb and flow, as he sees different lineups every night, but I think it's a good sign that at a minimum he's been able to tread water.  The learning curve was supposed to be less because he'd been with Udoka before, and had played with our core guys for a month in FIBA play, but less does not equal zero.  I expect him to continue to fit in and find the moments where he can contribute more, but I don't think we beat Atlanta last week without him stepping up after Jaylen went down, so he's already had some good moments.

2) White was always billed as someone who's contribution goes beyond the simple box score stats, so if you're looking to those for your evaluation, you're going to find yourself generally disappointed.
he's not passing the eye test either.  boxscores don't show everything.  Smart and Al are perfect examples of that.  The things I've given White credit for aren't in the boxscores either.  What is disconcerting is the struggle with putting the ball in the basket.  don't need to see a boxscore to see him missing shots from all over.

Re: Celtics trade grades?
« Reply #153 on: March 07, 2022, 06:01:12 PM »

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2) White was always billed as someone who's contribution goes beyond the simple box score stats, so if you're looking to those for your evaluation, you're going to find yourself generally disappointed.

Respect your POV Celtics2021, but this has become the standard talk track for Celtics players who struggle statistically (because we want them to be better than they are), and an early calling card for White already.

Examples:

1) "Marcus Smart makes winning plays". Sometimes true, but it's long been a crutch for poor shot selection and bad shooting. Zero doubt Marcus has become a statistically better player since he returned from injury early in 2022, and not coincidentally a better actual player.

2) Romeo Langford's "solid defense". The knee jerk reaction of most fans when told how much he sucked. Of course, no one cares now because he doesn't wear green.

3) Nesmith's "energy". See Langford above. Same while he's here, same will be true when he's gone -- which is likely to be soon.

4) White's "fit" and "chemistry". Feel like fans just sopped this up with a spoon from the mouth of Brad Stevens. Why? Cuz he played for Pop and Ime in SAS? Fabulous.... must be a great guy. (read: who really cares)

As for fit, how? Celtics biggest weakness at the deadline? Shooting. White not a good one -- at all. And why is he such a good fit when we have a much better version of him in Smart? In case Smart gets hurt or something? That's not fit.

Not everything is in the box score, but when one says he played 20 minutes.... he played only 20 mins. And when it says he's shooting a poor %, it's not a lie.

White is a very well payed player, and we payed a steep premium for him. Impacting the box score game in-and-out shouldn't be some sort of feat.


Re: Celtics trade grades?
« Reply #154 on: March 07, 2022, 06:31:28 PM »

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2) White was always billed as someone who's contribution goes beyond the simple box score stats, so if you're looking to those for your evaluation, you're going to find yourself generally disappointed.

Respect your POV Celtics2021, but this has become the standard talk track for Celtics players who struggle statistically (because we want them to be better than they are), and an early calling card for White already.

Examples:

1) "Marcus Smart makes winning plays". Sometimes true, but it's long been a crutch for poor shot selection and bad shooting. Zero doubt Marcus has become a statistically better player since he returned from injury early in 2022, and not coincidentally a better actual player.

2) Romeo Langford's "solid defense". The knee jerk reaction of most fans when told how much he sucked. Of course, no one cares now because he doesn't wear green.

3) Nesmith's "energy". See Langford above. Same while he's here, same will be true when he's gone -- which is likely to be soon.

4) White's "fit" and "chemistry". Feel like fans just sopped this up with a spoon from the mouth of Brad Stevens. Why? Cuz he played for Pop and Ime in SAS? Fabulous.... must be a great guy. (read: who really cares)

As for fit, how? Celtics biggest weakness at the deadline? Shooting. White not a good one -- at all. And why is he such a good fit when we have a much better version of him in Smart? In case Smart gets hurt or something? That's not fit.

Not everything is in the box score, but when one says he played 20 minutes.... he played only 20 mins. And when it says he's shooting a poor %, it's not a lie.

White is a very well payed player, and we payed a steep premium for him. Impacting the box score game in-and-out shouldn't be some sort of feat.

well said TP

Re: Celtics trade grades?
« Reply #155 on: March 07, 2022, 08:21:26 PM »

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my biggest gripe, other than the fact we seriously overpaid, is that he's not a real offensive threat.  Schroder could go off for 20 in a game as could Richardson.  White, not at all.

Richardson only scored 20+ twice all season.  White will start producing more I suspect.

yeah white had 9 20 pt games this season alone.

As a featured guy on a lottery team.
yup.  big difference putting up points on a team with few other options to do so and putting them up on a team with other options.  Schroder showed he was capable of providing that third scorer when one of the J's wasn't having a good night.  He did tend to be a ball stopper but he was still someone the defense had to respect.  Same with Richardson even though he didn't put up many 20 point games, he was a threat on the floor to score.  White isn't showing that.  I hope that changes.  I really, really do because the J's by themselves aren't enough to carry the offense every night in the playoffs.

How is Richardson a threat to score but White isn't?  Richardson put up less points in about equal minutes.

Schroder scored 3.2 points more per game on 1.6 more FGAs.

I get the argument that we lost two rotation players, which White can't replace by himself.  We just have to hope that Theis and Pritchard pick up the slack until White gets feeling right.
Richardson with the C's: 39.7% from 3.  63.6% from 2.  44.3% fg% overall.  85.9% from the line
White with the C's: 26.7% from 3. 54.2% from 2.  40.9% fg% overall.  82.8% from the line.

Richardson's numbers - other teams have to guard him all over the court.  he's a threat to score.
White's numbers - back off from the 3 to guard against the drive/dish thus giving the D an opportunity to help off White, clog the lane and dare him to shoot from 3 which is a low-success shot for him (for most of his career he hasn't exactly lit it up from 3).
Even Smart is hitting 3's at a 32.6% clip and he's frequently not tightly covered at the 3 line.

In short, other teams can approach him as a 'prove it to me' shooter before having to worry about guarding him out to the 3 unlike Richardson.  we've seen this time and time again used against Marcus with some success.  same will be done with White. 

I think he brings improved ball handling and passing to the team over Richardson and a more team-oriented offensive approach than Schroder but he doesn't provide enough of anything to justify the cost of that trade nor the followup to move Schroder.

What I worry about with White is that he started out playing well for the first few games and has been getting worse, which is odd. Not just his scoring either. His defense has looked mediocre and he’s not getting assists. Certain players may not be good 3 point shooters, but they at least have a midrange game. Derrick can’t hit a shot from anywhere outside of the paint right now. It’s concerning.
very concerning.  he should be acclimating to how the C's play and improving.  he's going in the opposite direction.  I'm hoping this is just a blip on the radar and next year he's looking great but I'm really thinking he's going to be an underperformer here until his deal is up.

His best game was probably three games ago against Atlanta, where he scored 18 with 5 assists on good efficiency.

Wasn't it really his only good game?

Re: Celtics trade grades?
« Reply #156 on: March 07, 2022, 08:31:41 PM »

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Bench rotation of White, Richardson, Grant, Theis, Pritchard would have been solid.

The only way we could have done that is if we paid luxury tax, which Wyc wasn't going to do.

I suppose we could have kept Richardson if we'd decided not to trade Theis, and sent Nesmith out as well.  But, I suspect that San Antonio is going to look to flip Richardson for an additional asset this summer, so they may not have played along.

So small market teams like Milwaukee and Utah are willing to go into the luxury tax for a contending roster, but the C’s won’t? If that’s the case they should sell the team.

Think I would have preferred not trading for Theis and moving Nesmith instead if it meant keeping Richardson. Theis is an insurance policy and come playoff time, I expect the bigs rotation to be Timelord, Horford, Grant with Tatum also seeing some time at PF. I also believe that Richardson will be traded in the off-season, but what is he going to net, a couple of second rounders?
Boston doesn't really have a contending roster, but even if it did there was no point in Richardson after acquiring White.
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Re: Celtics trade grades?
« Reply #157 on: March 07, 2022, 08:53:48 PM »

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2) White was always billed as someone who's contribution goes beyond the simple box score stats, so if you're looking to those for your evaluation, you're going to find yourself generally disappointed.

Respect your POV Celtics2021, but this has become the standard talk track for Celtics players who struggle statistically (because we want them to be better than they are), and an early calling card for White already.

Examples:

1) "Marcus Smart makes winning plays". Sometimes true, but it's long been a crutch for poor shot selection and bad shooting. Zero doubt Marcus has become a statistically better player since he returned from injury early in 2022, and not coincidentally a better actual player.

2) Romeo Langford's "solid defense". The knee jerk reaction of most fans when told how much he sucked. Of course, no one cares now because he doesn't wear green.

3) Nesmith's "energy". See Langford above. Same while he's here, same will be true when he's gone -- which is likely to be soon.

4) White's "fit" and "chemistry". Feel like fans just sopped this up with a spoon from the mouth of Brad Stevens. Why? Cuz he played for Pop and Ime in SAS? Fabulous.... must be a great guy. (read: who really cares)

As for fit, how? Celtics biggest weakness at the deadline? Shooting. White not a good one -- at all. And why is he such a good fit when we have a much better version of him in Smart? In case Smart gets hurt or something? That's not fit.

Not everything is in the box score, but when one says he played 20 minutes.... he played only 20 mins. And when it says he's shooting a poor %, it's not a lie.

White is a very well payed player, and we payed a steep premium for him. Impacting the box score game in-and-out shouldn't be some sort of feat.
Agreed.  when trading your 6th/7th man, a prospect on his rookie deal (9th man), a first rounder and a pick swap AND using that trade as a precursor to another trade that moves your 7th/8th man -- the player you're acquiring better be impacting the box score in a positive way and noticeably.  White's not achieving that. 

White's not a stiff.  He's a rotation quality player but not living up to the hype nor the cost to acquire him.

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« Reply #158 on: March 07, 2022, 11:00:40 PM »

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Josh finally made his de facto debut starting on the spurs tonight. 4/5 from 3. Dude is shooting lights out this year... oh boy what a weird ass trade. Crappy thing is if we somehow had him and White off the bench I'd say ECF would be a lock, with a good chance of getting to finals. We miss that extra shooting and scoring threat off the bench. Brad literally coached the worst bench in the league last year and I guess he wanted to share that taste with Udoka lol

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Josh finally made his de facto debut starting on the spurs tonight. 4/5 from 3. Dude is shooting lights out this year... oh boy what a weird ass trade. Crappy thing is if we somehow had him and White off the bench I'd say ECF would be a lock, with a good chance of getting to finals. We miss that extra shooting and scoring threat off the bench. Brad literally coached the worst bench in the league last year and I guess he wanted to share that taste with Udoka lol

Richardson played 30 mins and had 18pts, 5reb, 2 ast. Shot 6-12 from the field and 4-5 from 3pt. Sounds like someone the C’s could use off the bench... 
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« Reply #160 on: March 07, 2022, 11:42:14 PM »

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Josh finally made his de facto debut starting on the spurs tonight. 4/5 from 3. Dude is shooting lights out this year... oh boy what a weird ass trade. Crappy thing is if we somehow had him and White off the bench I'd say ECF would be a lock, with a good chance of getting to finals. We miss that extra shooting and scoring threat off the bench. Brad literally coached the worst bench in the league last year and I guess he wanted to share that taste with Udoka lol

Richardson played 30 mins and had 18pts, 5reb, 2 ast. Shot 6-12 from the field and 4-5 from 3pt. Sounds like someone the C’s could use off the bench...
seems like the kind of player SA would have had to give up more than just a bench player for doesn't it?  perhaps they should have thrown in a prospect, a first rounder with light protections and a future pick swap to make it a fair deal  ;)

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« Reply #161 on: March 07, 2022, 11:52:57 PM »

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Josh finally made his de facto debut starting on the spurs tonight. 4/5 from 3. Dude is shooting lights out this year... oh boy what a weird ass trade. Crappy thing is if we somehow had him and White off the bench I'd say ECF would be a lock, with a good chance of getting to finals. We miss that extra shooting and scoring threat off the bench. Brad literally coached the worst bench in the league last year and I guess he wanted to share that taste with Udoka lol

Richardson played 30 mins and had 18pts, 5reb, 2 ast. Shot 6-12 from the field and 4-5 from 3pt. Sounds like someone the C’s could use off the bench...
seems like the kind of player SA would have had to give up more than just a bench player for doesn't it?  perhaps they should have thrown in a prospect, a first rounder with light protections and a future pick swap to make it a fair deal  ;)
Exactly lol. I can't believe at the time a couple of goobers came in defense of the trade saying White was so much better it was only fair we gave up all that Edited for profanity.  Please do not do it again.. Not even acknowledging an overpay. Shows you most people still can't think for themselves, they think if a FO pulled the trigger as confidently as Boston did then they must be right. Remember when Danny offered 5 picks for Winslow on draft night lol. Those people would instantly claim it as a brilliant move.

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« Reply #162 on: March 08, 2022, 12:00:44 AM »

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I actually think White is a good fit, but they should have not gotten rid of Richardson. He would have been, on any given playoff night our 3rd perimeter offensive threat. Crazy overpay

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« Reply #163 on: March 08, 2022, 12:37:40 AM »

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Bench rotation of White, Richardson, Grant, Theis, Pritchard would have been solid.

The only way we could have done that is if we paid luxury tax, which Wyc wasn't going to do.

I suppose we could have kept Richardson if we'd decided not to trade Theis, and sent Nesmith out as well.  But, I suspect that San Antonio is going to look to flip Richardson for an additional asset this summer, so they may not have played along.

Ah good point on the tax thing

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« Reply #164 on: March 08, 2022, 09:29:00 AM »

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my biggest gripe, other than the fact we seriously overpaid, is that he's not a real offensive threat.  Schroder could go off for 20 in a game as could Richardson.  White, not at all.

Richardson only scored 20+ twice all season.  White will start producing more I suspect.

yeah white had 9 20 pt games this season alone.

As a featured guy on a lottery team.

Featured?

11.6 FGAs in 30 minutes per game.  Murray was the featured guy in San Antonio.  White was part of a fairly balanced attack that saw he, Keldon Johnson, Lonnie Walker, Devin Vassell, Jakob Poeltl, and Doug McDermott all get between 9.4 and 12.7 shots per game.

30 minutes per game. A guy they wanted to trade, yes. You can feature more than one player when you are interested in trading several of them. He wouldn't have 9 20 point games for most teams this year.