Why is Payton Pritchard rotting away on the bench ?

[Celtics2021]

Pritchard should be playing. He just put up 9 pts and 3 asts in 14 minutes yesterday. He stretches the floor and makes the passes. Ime is playing a tight playoff rotation so there's not time past the top seven-eight... Pritcahrd needs to shoot more when he does get into a game. He needs to be more aggressive and he needs to take flopping lessons from Smart and Schroder, two of the best, to keep defenders honest. Pritchard, Romeo, and Nesmith all looked better last year, there is probably a reason for that.

In garbage time, against their worst players.  He has played better than I thought as a starter this year.

Payton Pritchard has averaged 14.0 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.5 assists in 2 games as a starter this season.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/peyton-pritchard-starter-stats

But something out there does not pass the eye test.  We've all seen him disappear when an athletic lengthy guy guards him.  I see his ceiling as a Steve Kerr bench guy shooting specialist at best.  I would love to be wrong.

Word is we are buyers now.   This means we are trying to win more and that short rotation is here to stay barring a trade.

Yeah, a shooter off the bench should be his role. It's not like we have a glut of shooters.

True, but the problem is if he’s just a shooter, is he good enough to get minutes?  In other words, if his only value is that once every four possession he attempts a three, is that worth having him on the court for the other three offensive possessions where he contributes little (he’s too small to set a screen, he’s not a good enough shooter to create gravity for the defense, his handle and passing are average), and the four defensive possessions where he’s attacked?  I think he needs to either be able to get his shot quicker off the catch, so he can shoot coming off of screens which creates movement in the offense, or be a better playmaker for others.  The former is Eddie House, the latter is Seth Curry.  Right now he makes 28-footers because that’s how he creates the space from defenders, but when he’s off ball he just stands in that space until the ball finds him, because if he relocates he might find himself too close to a defender and be unable to get off his shot (which leads to a lot of dribbling).

Neither Seth Curry nor House really had their careers take off until they were 26, so there’s still time for him.  I don’t think that time for him is this year — working on getting your shot off on the move is something that should happen as part of daily practice sessions with coaches, and not something that you try to develop off of game reps.

[makaveli]

I don't see the elite ball handling.  And I certainly don't see any of the craftiness that comes with being an elite ball handler.

Yeah.  He has the crossovers and all of that nice stuff, but he can't generate space with it against NBA-level defenders so what are we really doing here?  And it's likely that it isn't an experience/savvy thing (which can be learned, given time), but rather a quickness thing (which he's stuck with). 

He looks like a 6'1" shooting specialist to me.  I think he basically needs to play with a wing who can create and run the show for him, and there aren't a ton of teams who have one of those coming off the bench. 

For better or worse, I still think Schroder is traded by the end of the day tomorrow, and Pritchard will get his shot over the next couple of months.  So here's hoping he proves me wrong.

he has shown no signs of being able to run the offense

[liam]

Pritchard should be playing. He just put up 9 pts and 3 asts in 14 minutes yesterday. He stretches the floor and makes the passes. Ime is playing a tight playoff rotation so there's not time past the top seven-eight... Pritcahrd needs to shoot more when he does get into a game. He needs to be more aggressive and he needs to take flopping lessons from Smart and Schroder, two of the best, to keep defenders honest. Pritchard, Romeo, and Nesmith all looked better last year, there is probably a reason for that.

In garbage time, against their worst players.  He has played better than I thought as a starter this year.

Payton Pritchard has averaged 14.0 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.5 assists in 2 games as a starter this season.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/peyton-pritchard-starter-stats

But something out there does not pass the eye test.  We've all seen him disappear when an athletic lengthy guy guards him.  I see his ceiling as a Steve Kerr bench guy shooting specialist at best.  I would love to be wrong.

Word is we are buyers now.   This means we are trying to win more and that short rotation is here to stay barring a trade.

Yeah, a shooter off the bench should be his role. It's not like we have a glut of shooters.

True, but the problem is if he’s just a shooter, is he good enough to get minutes?  In other words, if his only value is that once every four possession he attempts a three, is that worth having him on the court for the other three offensive possessions where he contributes little (he’s too small to set a screen, he’s not a good enough shooter to create gravity for the defense, his handle and passing are average), and the four defensive possessions where he’s attacked?  I think he needs to either be able to get his shot quicker off the catch, so he can shoot coming off of screens which creates movement in the offense, or be a better playmaker for others.  The former is Eddie House, the latter is Seth Curry.  Right now he makes 28-footers because that’s how he creates the space from defenders, but when he’s off ball he just stands in that space until the ball finds him, because if he relocates he might find himself too close to a defender and be unable to get off his shot (which leads to a lot of dribbling).

Neither Seth Curry nor House really had their careers take off until they were 26, so there’s still time for him.  I don’t think that time for him is this year — working on getting your shot off on the move is something that should happen as part of daily practice sessions with coaches, and not something that you try to develop off of game reps.

Coaching is sticking him in the corner and he's of no use if no one passes him the ball.

Pritchard per 36 is 14 pts 4.6 rbs 4.9 Asts Ft% 100, 3pt% 37 2pt% 40

[nickagneta]

Pritchard should be playing. He just put up 9 pts and 3 asts in 14 minutes yesterday. He stretches the floor and makes the passes. Ime is playing a tight playoff rotation so there's not time past the top seven-eight... Pritcahrd needs to shoot more when he does get into a game. He needs to be more aggressive and he needs to take flopping lessons from Smart and Schroder, two of the best, to keep defenders honest. Pritchard, Romeo, and Nesmith all looked better last year, there is probably a reason for that.

In garbage time, against their worst players.  He has played better than I thought as a starter this year.

Payton Pritchard has averaged 14.0 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.5 assists in 2 games as a starter this season.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/peyton-pritchard-starter-stats

But something out there does not pass the eye test.  We've all seen him disappear when an athletic lengthy guy guards him.  I see his ceiling as a Steve Kerr bench guy shooting specialist at best.  I would love to be wrong.

Word is we are buyers now.   This means we are trying to win more and that short rotation is here to stay barring a trade.

Yeah, a shooter off the bench should be his role. It's not like we have a glut of shooters.

True, but the problem is if he’s just a shooter, is he good enough to get minutes?  In other words, if his only value is that once every four possession he attempts a three, is that worth having him on the court for the other three offensive possessions where he contributes little (he’s too small to set a screen, he’s not a good enough shooter to create gravity for the defense, his handle and passing are average), and the four defensive possessions where he’s attacked?  I think he needs to either be able to get his shot quicker off the catch, so he can shoot coming off of screens which creates movement in the offense, or be a better playmaker for others.  The former is Eddie House, the latter is Seth Curry.  Right now he makes 28-footers because that’s how he creates the space from defenders, but when he’s off ball he just stands in that space until the ball finds him, because if he relocates he might find himself too close to a defender and be unable to get off his shot (which leads to a lot of dribbling).

Neither Seth Curry nor House really had their careers take off until they were 26, so there’s still time for him.  I don’t think that time for him is this year — working on getting your shot off on the move is something that should happen as part of daily practice sessions with coaches, and not something that you try to develop off of game reps.

Coaching is sticking him in the corner and he's of no use if no one passes him the ball.

Pritchard per 36 is 14 pts 4.6 rbs 4.9 Asts Ft% 100, 3pt% 37 2pt% 40

Perfect example of the limitations and faults of the per36 stats. What good are those stats if the player isn't good enough to earn more than 13 minutes a game?

[Donoghus]

How many mpg do people really want him playing come playoff time?

I hope its not a lot.

[liam]

Pritchard should be playing. He just put up 9 pts and 3 asts in 14 minutes yesterday. He stretches the floor and makes the passes. Ime is playing a tight playoff rotation so there's not time past the top seven-eight... Pritcahrd needs to shoot more when he does get into a game. He needs to be more aggressive and he needs to take flopping lessons from Smart and Schroder, two of the best, to keep defenders honest. Pritchard, Romeo, and Nesmith all looked better last year, there is probably a reason for that.

In garbage time, against their worst players.  He has played better than I thought as a starter this year.

Payton Pritchard has averaged 14.0 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.5 assists in 2 games as a starter this season.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/peyton-pritchard-starter-stats

But something out there does not pass the eye test.  We've all seen him disappear when an athletic lengthy guy guards him.  I see his ceiling as a Steve Kerr bench guy shooting specialist at best.  I would love to be wrong.

Word is we are buyers now.   This means we are trying to win more and that short rotation is here to stay barring a trade.

Yeah, a shooter off the bench should be his role. It's not like we have a glut of shooters.

True, but the problem is if he’s just a shooter, is he good enough to get minutes?  In other words, if his only value is that once every four possession he attempts a three, is that worth having him on the court for the other three offensive possessions where he contributes little (he’s too small to set a screen, he’s not a good enough shooter to create gravity for the defense, his handle and passing are average), and the four defensive possessions where he’s attacked?  I think he needs to either be able to get his shot quicker off the catch, so he can shoot coming off of screens which creates movement in the offense, or be a better playmaker for others.  The former is Eddie House, the latter is Seth Curry.  Right now he makes 28-footers because that’s how he creates the space from defenders, but when he’s off ball he just stands in that space until the ball finds him, because if he relocates he might find himself too close to a defender and be unable to get off his shot (which leads to a lot of dribbling).

Neither Seth Curry nor House really had their careers take off until they were 26, so there’s still time for him.  I don’t think that time for him is this year — working on getting your shot off on the move is something that should happen as part of daily practice sessions with coaches, and not something that you try to develop off of game reps.

Coaching is sticking him in the corner and he's of no use if no one passes him the ball.

Pritchard per 36 is 14 pts 4.6 rbs 4.9 Asts Ft% 100, 3pt% 37 2pt% 40

Perfect example of the limitations and faults of the per36 stats. What good are those stats if the player isn't good enough to earn more than 13 minutes a game?

No good. You have to play to put up numbers. If they don't want those guys move them. No sense of having players on your roster that you don't trust to play. Too many projects on this roster. Either play guys or move them. We traded for two injured guys to save money. Those injured players aren't going to help this year either.

[nickagneta]

Pritchard should be playing. He just put up 9 pts and 3 asts in 14 minutes yesterday. He stretches the floor and makes the passes. Ime is playing a tight playoff rotation so there's not time past the top seven-eight... Pritcahrd needs to shoot more when he does get into a game. He needs to be more aggressive and he needs to take flopping lessons from Smart and Schroder, two of the best, to keep defenders honest. Pritchard, Romeo, and Nesmith all looked better last year, there is probably a reason for that.

In garbage time, against their worst players.  He has played better than I thought as a starter this year.

Payton Pritchard has averaged 14.0 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.5 assists in 2 games as a starter this season.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/peyton-pritchard-starter-stats

But something out there does not pass the eye test.  We've all seen him disappear when an athletic lengthy guy guards him.  I see his ceiling as a Steve Kerr bench guy shooting specialist at best.  I would love to be wrong.

Word is we are buyers now.   This means we are trying to win more and that short rotation is here to stay barring a trade.

Yeah, a shooter off the bench should be his role. It's not like we have a glut of shooters.

True, but the problem is if he’s just a shooter, is he good enough to get minutes?  In other words, if his only value is that once every four possession he attempts a three, is that worth having him on the court for the other three offensive possessions where he contributes little (he’s too small to set a screen, he’s not a good enough shooter to create gravity for the defense, his handle and passing are average), and the four defensive possessions where he’s attacked?  I think he needs to either be able to get his shot quicker off the catch, so he can shoot coming off of screens which creates movement in the offense, or be a better playmaker for others.  The former is Eddie House, the latter is Seth Curry.  Right now he makes 28-footers because that’s how he creates the space from defenders, but when he’s off ball he just stands in that space until the ball finds him, because if he relocates he might find himself too close to a defender and be unable to get off his shot (which leads to a lot of dribbling).

Neither Seth Curry nor House really had their careers take off until they were 26, so there’s still time for him.  I don’t think that time for him is this year — working on getting your shot off on the move is something that should happen as part of daily practice sessions with coaches, and not something that you try to develop off of game reps.

Coaching is sticking him in the corner and he's of no use if no one passes him the ball.

Pritchard per 36 is 14 pts 4.6 rbs 4.9 Asts Ft% 100, 3pt% 37 2pt% 40

Perfect example of the limitations and faults of the per36 stats. What good are those stats if the player isn't good enough to earn more than 13 minutes a game?

No good. You have to play to put up numbers. If they don't want those guys move them. No sense of having players on your roster that you don't trust to play. Too many projects on this roster. Either play guys or move them.

Then move Pritchard, because come playoff time, as Dons alluded to above, he is unplayable. Massive liability on both ends when playing against the best teams, best players and best defenders in a playoff format. Might as well paint a giant bullseye on his uniform.

[liam]

Pritchard should be playing. He just put up 9 pts and 3 asts in 14 minutes yesterday. He stretches the floor and makes the passes. Ime is playing a tight playoff rotation so there's not time past the top seven-eight... Pritcahrd needs to shoot more when he does get into a game. He needs to be more aggressive and he needs to take flopping lessons from Smart and Schroder, two of the best, to keep defenders honest. Pritchard, Romeo, and Nesmith all looked better last year, there is probably a reason for that.

In garbage time, against their worst players.  He has played better than I thought as a starter this year.

Payton Pritchard has averaged 14.0 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.5 assists in 2 games as a starter this season.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/peyton-pritchard-starter-stats

But something out there does not pass the eye test.  We've all seen him disappear when an athletic lengthy guy guards him.  I see his ceiling as a Steve Kerr bench guy shooting specialist at best.  I would love to be wrong.

Word is we are buyers now.   This means we are trying to win more and that short rotation is here to stay barring a trade.

Yeah, a shooter off the bench should be his role. It's not like we have a glut of shooters.

True, but the problem is if he’s just a shooter, is he good enough to get minutes?  In other words, if his only value is that once every four possession he attempts a three, is that worth having him on the court for the other three offensive possessions where he contributes little (he’s too small to set a screen, he’s not a good enough shooter to create gravity for the defense, his handle and passing are average), and the four defensive possessions where he’s attacked?  I think he needs to either be able to get his shot quicker off the catch, so he can shoot coming off of screens which creates movement in the offense, or be a better playmaker for others.  The former is Eddie House, the latter is Seth Curry.  Right now he makes 28-footers because that’s how he creates the space from defenders, but when he’s off ball he just stands in that space until the ball finds him, because if he relocates he might find himself too close to a defender and be unable to get off his shot (which leads to a lot of dribbling).

Neither Seth Curry nor House really had their careers take off until they were 26, so there’s still time for him.  I don’t think that time for him is this year — working on getting your shot off on the move is something that should happen as part of daily practice sessions with coaches, and not something that you try to develop off of game reps.

Coaching is sticking him in the corner and he's of no use if no one passes him the ball.

Pritchard per 36 is 14 pts 4.6 rbs 4.9 Asts Ft% 100, 3pt% 37 2pt% 40

Perfect example of the limitations and faults of the per36 stats. What good are those stats if the player isn't good enough to earn more than 13 minutes a game?

No good. You have to play to put up numbers. If they don't want those guys move them. No sense of having players on your roster that you don't trust to play. Too many projects on this roster. Either play guys or move them.

Then move Pritchard, because come playoff time, as Dons alluded to above, he is unplayable. Massive liability on both ends when playing against the best teams, best players and best defenders in a playoff format. Might as well paint a giant bullseye on his uniform.

If they have no faith in him trade him.

[PaxtonDarcy]

Pritchard should be playing. He just put up 9 pts and 3 asts in 14 minutes yesterday. He stretches the floor and makes the passes. Ime is playing a tight playoff rotation so there's not time past the top seven-eight... Pritcahrd needs to shoot more when he does get into a game. He needs to be more aggressive and he needs to take flopping lessons from Smart and Schroder, two of the best, to keep defenders honest. Pritchard, Romeo, and Nesmith all looked better last year, there is probably a reason for that.

In garbage time, against their worst players.  He has played better than I thought as a starter this year.

Payton Pritchard has averaged 14.0 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.5 assists in 2 games as a starter this season.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/peyton-pritchard-starter-stats

But something out there does not pass the eye test.  We've all seen him disappear when an athletic lengthy guy guards him.  I see his ceiling as a Steve Kerr bench guy shooting specialist at best.  I would love to be wrong.

Word is we are buyers now.   This means we are trying to win more and that short rotation is here to stay barring a trade.

Yeah, a shooter off the bench should be his role. It's not like we have a glut of shooters.

True, but the problem is if he’s just a shooter, is he good enough to get minutes?  In other words, if his only value is that once every four possession he attempts a three, is that worth having him on the court for the other three offensive possessions where he contributes little (he’s too small to set a screen, he’s not a good enough shooter to create gravity for the defense, his handle and passing are average), and the four defensive possessions where he’s attacked?  I think he needs to either be able to get his shot quicker off the catch, so he can shoot coming off of screens which creates movement in the offense, or be a better playmaker for others.  The former is Eddie House, the latter is Seth Curry.  Right now he makes 28-footers because that’s how he creates the space from defenders, but when he’s off ball he just stands in that space until the ball finds him, because if he relocates he might find himself too close to a defender and be unable to get off his shot (which leads to a lot of dribbling).

Neither Seth Curry nor House really had their careers take off until they were 26, so there’s still time for him.  I don’t think that time for him is this year — working on getting your shot off on the move is something that should happen as part of daily practice sessions with coaches, and not something that you try to develop off of game reps.

Coaching is sticking him in the corner and he's of no use if no one passes him the ball.

Pritchard per 36 is 14 pts 4.6 rbs 4.9 Asts Ft% 100, 3pt% 37 2pt% 40

Perfect example of the limitations and faults of the per36 stats. What good are those stats if the player isn't good enough to earn more than 13 minutes a game?

No good. You have to play to put up numbers. If they don't want those guys move them. No sense of having players on your roster that you don't trust to play. Too many projects on this roster. Either play guys or move them.

Then move Pritchard, because come playoff time, as Dons alluded to above, he is unplayable. Massive liability on both ends when playing against the best teams, best players and best defenders in a playoff format. Might as well paint a giant bullseye on his uniform.

If they have no faith in him trade him.

This doesn’t make any sense. You can’t trade a player who can’t play. He has no value.

I’m confused about what your point is.

[liam]

Pritchard should be playing. He just put up 9 pts and 3 asts in 14 minutes yesterday. He stretches the floor and makes the passes. Ime is playing a tight playoff rotation so there's not time past the top seven-eight... Pritcahrd needs to shoot more when he does get into a game. He needs to be more aggressive and he needs to take flopping lessons from Smart and Schroder, two of the best, to keep defenders honest. Pritchard, Romeo, and Nesmith all looked better last year, there is probably a reason for that.

In garbage time, against their worst players.  He has played better than I thought as a starter this year.

Payton Pritchard has averaged 14.0 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.5 assists in 2 games as a starter this season.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/peyton-pritchard-starter-stats

But something out there does not pass the eye test.  We've all seen him disappear when an athletic lengthy guy guards him.  I see his ceiling as a Steve Kerr bench guy shooting specialist at best.  I would love to be wrong.

Word is we are buyers now.   This means we are trying to win more and that short rotation is here to stay barring a trade.

Yeah, a shooter off the bench should be his role. It's not like we have a glut of shooters.

True, but the problem is if he’s just a shooter, is he good enough to get minutes?  In other words, if his only value is that once every four possession he attempts a three, is that worth having him on the court for the other three offensive possessions where he contributes little (he’s too small to set a screen, he’s not a good enough shooter to create gravity for the defense, his handle and passing are average), and the four defensive possessions where he’s attacked?  I think he needs to either be able to get his shot quicker off the catch, so he can shoot coming off of screens which creates movement in the offense, or be a better playmaker for others.  The former is Eddie House, the latter is Seth Curry.  Right now he makes 28-footers because that’s how he creates the space from defenders, but when he’s off ball he just stands in that space until the ball finds him, because if he relocates he might find himself too close to a defender and be unable to get off his shot (which leads to a lot of dribbling).

Neither Seth Curry nor House really had their careers take off until they were 26, so there’s still time for him.  I don’t think that time for him is this year — working on getting your shot off on the move is something that should happen as part of daily practice sessions with coaches, and not something that you try to develop off of game reps.

Coaching is sticking him in the corner and he's of no use if no one passes him the ball.

Pritchard per 36 is 14 pts 4.6 rbs 4.9 Asts Ft% 100, 3pt% 37 2pt% 40

Perfect example of the limitations and faults of the per36 stats. What good are those stats if the player isn't good enough to earn more than 13 minutes a game?

No good. You have to play to put up numbers. If they don't want those guys move them. No sense of having players on your roster that you don't trust to play. Too many projects on this roster. Either play guys or move them.

Then move Pritchard, because come playoff time, as Dons alluded to above, he is unplayable. Massive liability on both ends when playing against the best teams, best players and best defenders in a playoff format. Might as well paint a giant bullseye on his uniform.

If they have no faith in him trade him.

This doesn’t make any sense. You can’t trade a player who can’t play. He has no value.

I’m confused about what your point is.

I don't think he has no value. He has no value to a team that won't play him. There's a difference. Bane had no value to us, Strus had no value to us, Mathews had no value for us but other teams found value in them. One man's trash...

[PaxtonDarcy]

Pritchard should be playing. He just put up 9 pts and 3 asts in 14 minutes yesterday. He stretches the floor and makes the passes. Ime is playing a tight playoff rotation so there's not time past the top seven-eight... Pritcahrd needs to shoot more when he does get into a game. He needs to be more aggressive and he needs to take flopping lessons from Smart and Schroder, two of the best, to keep defenders honest. Pritchard, Romeo, and Nesmith all looked better last year, there is probably a reason for that.

In garbage time, against their worst players.  He has played better than I thought as a starter this year.

Payton Pritchard has averaged 14.0 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.5 assists in 2 games as a starter this season.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/peyton-pritchard-starter-stats

But something out there does not pass the eye test.  We've all seen him disappear when an athletic lengthy guy guards him.  I see his ceiling as a Steve Kerr bench guy shooting specialist at best.  I would love to be wrong.

Word is we are buyers now.   This means we are trying to win more and that short rotation is here to stay barring a trade.

Yeah, a shooter off the bench should be his role. It's not like we have a glut of shooters.

True, but the problem is if he’s just a shooter, is he good enough to get minutes?  In other words, if his only value is that once every four possession he attempts a three, is that worth having him on the court for the other three offensive possessions where he contributes little (he’s too small to set a screen, he’s not a good enough shooter to create gravity for the defense, his handle and passing are average), and the four defensive possessions where he’s attacked?  I think he needs to either be able to get his shot quicker off the catch, so he can shoot coming off of screens which creates movement in the offense, or be a better playmaker for others.  The former is Eddie House, the latter is Seth Curry.  Right now he makes 28-footers because that’s how he creates the space from defenders, but when he’s off ball he just stands in that space until the ball finds him, because if he relocates he might find himself too close to a defender and be unable to get off his shot (which leads to a lot of dribbling).

Neither Seth Curry nor House really had their careers take off until they were 26, so there’s still time for him.  I don’t think that time for him is this year — working on getting your shot off on the move is something that should happen as part of daily practice sessions with coaches, and not something that you try to develop off of game reps.

Coaching is sticking him in the corner and he's of no use if no one passes him the ball.

Pritchard per 36 is 14 pts 4.6 rbs 4.9 Asts Ft% 100, 3pt% 37 2pt% 40

Perfect example of the limitations and faults of the per36 stats. What good are those stats if the player isn't good enough to earn more than 13 minutes a game?

No good. You have to play to put up numbers. If they don't want those guys move them. No sense of having players on your roster that you don't trust to play. Too many projects on this roster. Either play guys or move them.

Then move Pritchard, because come playoff time, as Dons alluded to above, he is unplayable. Massive liability on both ends when playing against the best teams, best players and best defenders in a playoff format. Might as well paint a giant bullseye on his uniform.

If they have no faith in him trade him.

This doesn’t make any sense. You can’t trade a player who can’t play. He has no value.

I’m confused about what your point is.

I don't think he has no value. He has no value to a team that won't play him. There's a difference. Bane had no value to us, Strus had no value to us, Mathews had no value for us but other teams found value in them. One man's trash...

This still doesn’t make any sense. We never had bane. Strus has showed up in a very specific offense and Mathews plays for the worst team in the nba.

There is no conspiracy to keep Peyton on the bench. Ime is currently playing 8 guys against his will. If the other dudes could play, they would be playing.

I’m confused as to why you are committed to the belief that pp not playing is some conspiracy.

You’re right, if he were on the rockets, he may average 12 a game on decent stats. But that doesn’t mean that team would be better.

[liam]

Pritchard should be playing. He just put up 9 pts and 3 asts in 14 minutes yesterday. He stretches the floor and makes the passes. Ime is playing a tight playoff rotation so there's not time past the top seven-eight... Pritcahrd needs to shoot more when he does get into a game. He needs to be more aggressive and he needs to take flopping lessons from Smart and Schroder, two of the best, to keep defenders honest. Pritchard, Romeo, and Nesmith all looked better last year, there is probably a reason for that.

In garbage time, against their worst players.  He has played better than I thought as a starter this year.

Payton Pritchard has averaged 14.0 points, 5.5 rebounds and 4.5 assists in 2 games as a starter this season.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/peyton-pritchard-starter-stats

But something out there does not pass the eye test.  We've all seen him disappear when an athletic lengthy guy guards him.  I see his ceiling as a Steve Kerr bench guy shooting specialist at best.  I would love to be wrong.

Word is we are buyers now.   This means we are trying to win more and that short rotation is here to stay barring a trade.

Yeah, a shooter off the bench should be his role. It's not like we have a glut of shooters.

True, but the problem is if he’s just a shooter, is he good enough to get minutes?  In other words, if his only value is that once every four possession he attempts a three, is that worth having him on the court for the other three offensive possessions where he contributes little (he’s too small to set a screen, he’s not a good enough shooter to create gravity for the defense, his handle and passing are average), and the four defensive possessions where he’s attacked?  I think he needs to either be able to get his shot quicker off the catch, so he can shoot coming off of screens which creates movement in the offense, or be a better playmaker for others.  The former is Eddie House, the latter is Seth Curry.  Right now he makes 28-footers because that’s how he creates the space from defenders, but when he’s off ball he just stands in that space until the ball finds him, because if he relocates he might find himself too close to a defender and be unable to get off his shot (which leads to a lot of dribbling).

Neither Seth Curry nor House really had their careers take off until they were 26, so there’s still time for him.  I don’t think that time for him is this year — working on getting your shot off on the move is something that should happen as part of daily practice sessions with coaches, and not something that you try to develop off of game reps.

Coaching is sticking him in the corner and he's of no use if no one passes him the ball.

Pritchard per 36 is 14 pts 4.6 rbs 4.9 Asts Ft% 100, 3pt% 37 2pt% 40

Perfect example of the limitations and faults of the per36 stats. What good are those stats if the player isn't good enough to earn more than 13 minutes a game?

No good. You have to play to put up numbers. If they don't want those guys move them. No sense of having players on your roster that you don't trust to play. Too many projects on this roster. Either play guys or move them.

Then move Pritchard, because come playoff time, as Dons alluded to above, he is unplayable. Massive liability on both ends when playing against the best teams, best players and best defenders in a playoff format. Might as well paint a giant bullseye on his uniform.

If they have no faith in him trade him.

This doesn’t make any sense. You can’t trade a player who can’t play. He has no value.

I’m confused about what your point is.

I don't think he has no value. He has no value to a team that won't play him. There's a difference. Bane had no value to us, Strus had no value to us, Mathews had no value for us but other teams found value in them. One man's trash...

This still doesn’t make any sense. We never had bane. Strus has showed up in a very specific offense and Mathews plays for the worst team in the nba.

There is no conspiracy to keep Peyton on the bench. Ime is currently playing 8 guys against his will. If the other dudes could play, they would be playing.

I’m confused as to why you are committed to the belief that pp not playing is some conspiracy.

You’re right, if he were on the rockets, he may average 12 a game on decent stats. But that doesn’t mean that team would be better.

We drafted Bane and traded him for nothing. That's a fact.

I didn't ever say that. That is made up. I said one man's trash is another man's treasure. They don't play him. If a guy is unplayable you get rid of him. we have 7 unplayable guys on our roster and that's too many. I don't care if he plays or not but you can't have seven unplayable guys on your team. We could've gone to the finals during the lock out year but we had 9 unplayable guys that year. You need at least 10-11 playable guys on your team. They don't have to all be world beaters but they all have to be playable.

"Bane was selected with the 30th pick in the 2020 NBA draft by the Boston Celtics."

[todd_days_41]

Maybe because he's not that good? If we're lucky..... yet?

[sgrogan]

I'm not convinced that if Schröder gets traded for a pick Pritchard gets his minutes.
I'd predict Langford bumps up to the 8th guy and Pritchard gets minutes like Romeo does now.

This current roster will live and die by how they play defense. Great defense and mediocre offense rarely wins championships, but mediocre defense and mediocre offense is worse. I don't see how Pritchard moves the needle enough to change that.

[footey]

I'm not convinced that if Schröder gets traded for a pick Pritchard gets his minutes.
I'd predict Langford bumps up to the 8th guy and Pritchard gets minutes like Romeo does now.

This current roster will live and die by how they play defense. Great defense and mediocre offense rarely wins championships, but mediocre defense and mediocre offense is worse. I don't see how Pritchard moves the needle enough to change that.

Agree.