Report: Cavs interested in Schroder; Mavs aren’t

[Surferdad]

Would like to see Schoeder for Rondo, Dean Wade, Dylan Windler trade.  With Windler we save about half a mil, without him, about 2.5 mil.  Rondo is expiring, and the two W's both have another year left.
The W's are both HBIQ players, good passers, and "great shooters"!  I watch alot of Cavs BB here in Ohio (no LP), and think these guys would really bring value and skill to our young team.  Believe Cavs do it to get Schroeder as they will be deep in playoff mix this year, and for years to come!

We don't have to take any salary back, because Schroder's salary would fit entirely within their new Disabled Player Exception.  I would have some interest in D. Wade, though.  Gotta love that name, but he's also made 18 starts this year.

We don’t have to take salary back, but the Cavs only have a couple million in room to stay under the tax, so they may ask us to take salary on as part of the deal.

Tricky.  Where are we on the tax, assuming JB doesn't make the All-Star team?

About $900k over.  The Cavs will probably want to send out two players, as that would keep them under the tax and leave them with enough space to afford a buyout with an open roster spot.  My vote is Rondo and Ed Davis, because those two make the minimum, aren’t owed anything next year, and the C’s could get an exception for all of Schröder’s contract.  We’d save enough that we could afford to just cut Fernando.

Um, wait...why wouldn't the Cavs just keep Rondo as their PG? They just got him. Schroder isn't really an upgrade, right?

[jambr380]

I'll take Sexton off their hands.  Gladly throw in a 1st or two

Yeah, I would definitely take a chance on Sexton. Really depends what CLE wants to do - doubt they'll match 'anything' this offseason, but they could set up a sign and trade and it might be worth it to him to hold on to his rights.

Um, wait...why wouldn't the Cavs just keep Rondo as their PG? They just got him. Schroder isn't really an upgrade, right?

Not sure if you're kidding or not, but Schroder is a humongous upgrade. We would take him on as a favor, but they'd definitely need to add a pick (like that HOU one). He could play back up PG for us, but he is nowhere near as dynamic or effective as Schroder at this point in his career.

[Moranis]

Would like to see Schoeder for Rondo, Dean Wade, Dylan Windler trade.  With Windler we save about half a mil, without him, about 2.5 mil.  Rondo is expiring, and the two W's both have another year left.
The W's are both HBIQ players, good passers, and "great shooters"!  I watch alot of Cavs BB here in Ohio (no LP), and think these guys would really bring value and skill to our young team.  Believe Cavs do it to get Schroeder as they will be deep in playoff mix this year, and for years to come!

We don't have to take any salary back, because Schroder's salary would fit entirely within their new Disabled Player Exception.  I would have some interest in D. Wade, though.  Gotta love that name, but he's also made 18 starts this year.

We don’t have to take salary back, but the Cavs only have a couple million in room to stay under the tax, so they may ask us to take salary on as part of the deal.

Tricky.  Where are we on the tax, assuming JB doesn't make the All-Star team?

About $900k over.  The Cavs will probably want to send out two players, as that would keep them under the tax and leave them with enough space to afford a buyout with an open roster spot.  My vote is Rondo and Ed Davis, because those two make the minimum, aren’t owed anything next year, and the C’s could get an exception for all of Schröder’s contract.  We’d save enough that we could afford to just cut Fernando.

Um, wait...why wouldn't the Cavs just keep Rondo as their PG? They just got him. Schroder isn't really an upgrade, right?

Schroder is a significant upgrade on Rondo, but I have no idea why Rondo would need to be in the trade, as Boston shouldn't want him and Rondo is nice to have as insurance for the Cavs.

[Moranis]

Several trade options

Sexton for Schroder, 22 1st, 24 1st (top 5)

Sexton, Rubio for Schroder, Richardson, Langford (Boston would likely look to move Rubio, but could keep him for Bird rights)

DPE for Schroder and then either Wade into Theis TPE or more favorable of 22 HOU, 22 SAS 2nd's + least favorable 23 CLE, GS 2nd's

[Celtics2021]

Would like to see Schoeder for Rondo, Dean Wade, Dylan Windler trade.  With Windler we save about half a mil, without him, about 2.5 mil.  Rondo is expiring, and the two W's both have another year left.
The W's are both HBIQ players, good passers, and "great shooters"!  I watch alot of Cavs BB here in Ohio (no LP), and think these guys would really bring value and skill to our young team.  Believe Cavs do it to get Schroeder as they will be deep in playoff mix this year, and for years to come!

We don't have to take any salary back, because Schroder's salary would fit entirely within their new Disabled Player Exception.  I would have some interest in D. Wade, though.  Gotta love that name, but he's also made 18 starts this year.

We don’t have to take salary back, but the Cavs only have a couple million in room to stay under the tax, so they may ask us to take salary on as part of the deal.

Tricky.  Where are we on the tax, assuming JB doesn't make the All-Star team?

About $900k over.  The Cavs will probably want to send out two players, as that would keep them under the tax and leave them with enough space to afford a buyout with an open roster spot.  My vote is Rondo and Ed Davis, because those two make the minimum, aren’t owed anything next year, and the C’s could get an exception for all of Schröder’s contract.  We’d save enough that we could afford to just cut Fernando.

Um, wait...why wouldn't the Cavs just keep Rondo as their PG? They just got him. Schroder isn't really an upgrade, right?

Schroder is a significant upgrade on Rondo, but I have no idea why Rondo would need to be in the trade, as Boston shouldn't want him and Rondo is nice to have as insurance for the Cavs.

I’m not sure why Boston wouldn’t want Rondo, personally, when all we’ve heard is how much the Celtics need a pass-first PG.

As for the Cavs, they need to send out two players to make the deal work financially for them.  The Celtics won’t want anyone with salary owed next year unless they think he’s better than Romeo, Pritchard, or Nesmith (in my opinion, this means no Dylan Windler). I agree that Rondo has some utility for the Cavs, although less post-trade, and also less than Dean Wade.  So then it depends if the Cavs would rather keep the guys who are not guaranteed for next year, but under contract.  If they’re indifferent, then the Celtics should get Rondo and Ed Davis because doing so gives them a trade exception.

[wdleehi]

Trade Schroeder & who going play point? Smart? Ugh! Playoff will be harder to reach

Considering that have stopped playing Smart and Schroder together, yes, Smart will continue to play PG with Pritchard picking up the backup PG minutes.   

[wdleehi]

Several trade options

Sexton for Schroder, 22 1st, 24 1st (top 5)

Sexton, Rubio for Schroder, Richardson, Langford (Boston would likely look to move Rubio, but could keep him for Bird rights)

DPE for Schroder and then either Wade into Theis TPE or more favorable of 22 HOU, 22 SAS 2nd's + least favorable 23 CLE, GS 2nd's

I wouldn't give up that much for Sexton with the knowledge that the team has to resign him.   You give up that much, you are planning to give him a max or near max contract.   I am not sure Sexton would warrant that. 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I'll take Sexton off their hands.  Gladly throw in a 1st or two

Do you think Garland is a better "point guard" than Sexton?  Just curious whether Sexton really can play point guard. Guys like Love seemed to really dislike playing with Sexton, insinuating he did not run the offense and was only out for himself.

He's not a point guard. He's a scoring guard, but he's tenacious and fearless. He's a good defender too when he puts the effort forth.

You would use him like the Jazz use Clarkson and Mitchell. They aren't really point guards, but they do stir the offense with their aggressiveness when the ball is in their hands.

[todd_days_41]

About $900k over.

Wow, no kidding.  So basically Yabu's dead salary.

Yep.  This is why we shouldn’t stretch players unless we really have to.

Is it really going to be hard to dump Bruno to another team with more cash that his remaining salary to avoid the tax? I doubt it.

[Celtics2021]

About $900k over.

Wow, no kidding.  So basically Yabu's dead salary.

Yep.  This is why we shouldn’t stretch players unless we really have to.

Is it really going to be hard to dump Bruno to another team with more cash that his remaining salary to avoid the tax? I doubt it.

No, but it is why we needlessly dumped Theis last spring.

[todd_days_41]

Sexton for Schroder, 22 1st, 24 1st (top 5)

Huh? Sexton:

• tore up his knee / out for the season
• is a free agent this summer
• is disliked by his teammates for his ball pounding / tunnel vision style

Collin Sexton apparently isn’t the most popular player in the Cavaliers locker room.

The 22-year-old guard, who’s in his third season with the Cavs, has reportedly frustrated teammates with his style of play.

“Various Cavs players still grow frustrated by the way Sexton dominates the ball, and opponents taunt them by saying during games, ‘you know he’s not going to pass you the ball,'” according to The Athletic.

Just because we're all tired of watching the Cs lose doesn't mean any player with a pulse is worth 2 first round picks (plus whatever we can get for Schroder).

[todd_days_41]

About $900k over.

Wow, no kidding.  So basically Yabu's dead salary.

Yep.  This is why we shouldn’t stretch players unless we really have to.

Is it really going to be hard to dump Bruno to another team with more cash that his remaining salary to avoid the tax? I doubt it.

No, but it is why we needlessly dumped Theis last spring.

That was different -- we needed to dump a larger chunk last year. Bruno is worthless -- won't be missed.

I care less about losing Theis, by the way, and more that Ainge foolishly put Green in that deal.

[Celtics2021]

About $900k over.

Wow, no kidding.  So basically Yabu's dead salary.

Yep.  This is why we shouldn’t stretch players unless we really have to.

Is it really going to be hard to dump Bruno to another team with more cash that his remaining salary to avoid the tax? I doubt it.

No, but it is why we needlessly dumped Theis last spring.

That was different -- we needed to dump a larger chunk last year. Bruno is worthless -- won't be missed.

I care less about losing Theis, by the way, and more that Ainge foolishly put Green in that deal.

Fine, you can say Green instead of Theis, but we only would’ve needed to move one instead of both without Yabu taking a million in space.  Remember we took back $4.3 million in salaries and sent out $6.5.  We wound up about $1.5 million clear of the tax.  Without Yabu we’d have been $2.6 million clear and not needed to make that trade.

[wdleehi]

If the Celtics were to take back Rondo or Ed Davis, it would keep the Cavs under the tax as well.   That could be worth more in terms of return for the Celtics.

[tonydelk]

Sexton for Schroder, 22 1st, 24 1st (top 5)

Huh? Sexton:

• tore up his knee / out for the season
• is a free agent this summer
• is disliked by his teammates for his ball pounding / tunnel vision style

Collin Sexton apparently isn’t the most popular player in the Cavaliers locker room.

The 22-year-old guard, who’s in his third season with the Cavs, has reportedly frustrated teammates with his style of play.

“Various Cavs players still grow frustrated by the way Sexton dominates the ball, and opponents taunt them by saying during games, ‘you know he’s not going to pass you the ball,'” according to The Athletic.

Just because we're all tired of watching the Cs lose doesn't mean any player with a pulse is worth 2 first round picks (plus whatever we can get for Schroder).

Isn't think the kind of basketball we as fans have been saying we are sick of?  Do we really want to see JT, JB and CS take turns going 1 on 5?  While the C's need a legit PG this guy isn't it.  The C's need PG's in the mold of Murray from SA, Lowry, Ball brothers etc.  Players who make the team around them better, can shoot the rock, play D and make the game easier for JB and JT.  Right now none of those kinds of players are available Now I love Smart and he's a decent PG but he's more of a SG. 

My favorite target for this year if available is Derrick White.  He is a better option at PG then Smart and would allow us to keep both.  He has some length at 6'4.  About as good a shooter as Smart normally (poor shooting this year but normally a 34.5% 3PT) but he's a much better scorer and distributor.  Fantastic 3pt shooter.  5.6APG in 30MPG on the same team as Dejonte Murray.  He's also signed for 3 more years.  I doubt he'd be available but if he was this is my guy for the J's. 

Just no sexton.