C’s Trade Deadline Move(s)

[Vermont Green]

Why I like Lillard

The Celtics have limited trade assets outside of Jaylen and Tatum to add a 3rd star. It is precisely because Lillard is over 30, a score-first PG and on a massive contract that Boston is able to get him. If he was under 30 and on a lower deal, it would cost Tatum to get him.

These are the guys you get with limited trade assets -- guys with flaws.

I like Lillard because he is a ball-handler and that is something Boston desperately need. He is a shot-creator, an efficient scorer and a highly productive scorer to give Boston 3 high quality scorers. Boston needs those skills. They need his maturity and leadership. They need his never-give-up attitude.

He is not a nutcase like Kyrie who is difficult to play with / coach. He is not a broken down injured mirage of his past self like Kemba. He is not a plus defender but he is fine. He is not a liability to the extent that IT or Kemba were.

This is a guy who has a lot to offer and has a chance to actually be available for the mediocre trade package Boston has to offer outside the Jays. Not many other stars are going to be available for such a ho-hum trade offer.

You're absolutely right. The Celtics need to be looking at a "buy-low"-player with All Star impact. Those are not easy to find. Moreover the skillset that we demand is a superb ball handler with reliable 3-point-range. Now the pond is really getting small.

So Lillard could be a real target for us. But to be honest, VanVleet is so underrated. If they'd cost the same I might prefer VanVleet considering age, contract and defense.

If Portland was willing to give up Lillard, couldn't they get Simmons from PHI?  How do we beat that?

[RodyTur10]

Why I like Lillard

The Celtics have limited trade assets outside of Jaylen and Tatum to add a 3rd star. It is precisely because Lillard is over 30, a score-first PG and on a massive contract that Boston is able to get him. If he was under 30 and on a lower deal, it would cost Tatum to get him.

These are the guys you get with limited trade assets -- guys with flaws.

I like Lillard because he is a ball-handler and that is something Boston desperately need. He is a shot-creator, an efficient scorer and a highly productive scorer to give Boston 3 high quality scorers. Boston needs those skills. They need his maturity and leadership. They need his never-give-up attitude.

He is not a nutcase like Kyrie who is difficult to play with / coach. He is not a broken down injured mirage of his past self like Kemba. He is not a plus defender but he is fine. He is not a liability to the extent that IT or Kemba were.

This is a guy who has a lot to offer and has a chance to actually be available for the mediocre trade package Boston has to offer outside the Jays. Not many other stars are going to be available for such a ho-hum trade offer.

You're absolutely right. The Celtics need to be looking at a "buy-low"-player with All Star impact. Those are not easy to find. Moreover the skillset that we demand is a superb ball handler with reliable 3-point-range. Now the pond is really getting small.

So Lillard could be a real target for us. But to be honest, VanVleet is so underrated. If they'd cost the same I might prefer VanVleet considering age, contract and defense.

If Portland was willing to give up Lillard, couldn't they get Simmons from PHI?  How do we beat that?

Give up more picks? 

Honestly I don't know.

[droopdog7]

Why are we spending so much time talking about Lillard if brown is not on the table?  So unrealistic.

[liam]

Why I like Lillard

The Celtics have limited trade assets outside of Jaylen and Tatum to add a 3rd star. It is precisely because Lillard is over 30, a score-first PG and on a massive contract that Boston is able to get him. If he was under 30 and on a lower deal, it would cost Tatum to get him.

These are the guys you get with limited trade assets -- guys with flaws.

I like Lillard because he is a ball-handler and that is something Boston desperately need. He is a shot-creator, an efficient scorer and a highly productive scorer to give Boston 3 high quality scorers. Boston needs those skills. They need his maturity and leadership. They need his never-give-up attitude.

He is not a nutcase like Kyrie who is difficult to play with / coach. He is not a broken down injured mirage of his past self like Kemba. He is not a plus defender but he is fine. He is not a liability to the extent that IT or Kemba were.

This is a guy who has a lot to offer and has a chance to actually be available for the mediocre trade package Boston has to offer outside the Jays. Not many other stars are going to be available for such a ho-hum trade offer.

You're absolutely right. The Celtics need to be looking at a "buy-low"-player with All Star impact. Those are not easy to find. Moreover the skillset that we demand is a superb ball handler with reliable 3-point-range. Now the pond is really getting small.

So Lillard could be a real target for us. But to be honest, VanVleet is so underrated. If they'd cost the same I might prefer VanVleet considering age, contract and defense.

If Portland was willing to give up Lillard, couldn't they get Simmons from PHI?  How do we beat that?

Lillard is having surgery.

[radiohead]

Why I like Lillard

The Celtics have limited trade assets outside of Jaylen and Tatum to add a 3rd star. It is precisely because Lillard is over 30, a score-first PG and on a massive contract that Boston is able to get him. If he was under 30 and on a lower deal, it would cost Tatum to get him.

These are the guys you get with limited trade assets -- guys with flaws.

I like Lillard because he is a ball-handler and that is something Boston desperately need. He is a shot-creator, an efficient scorer and a highly productive scorer to give Boston 3 high quality scorers. Boston needs those skills. They need his maturity and leadership. They need his never-give-up attitude.

He is not a nutcase like Kyrie who is difficult to play with / coach. He is not a broken down injured mirage of his past self like Kemba. He is not a plus defender but he is fine. He is not a liability to the extent that IT or Kemba were.

This is a guy who has a lot to offer and has a chance to actually be available for the mediocre trade package Boston has to offer outside the Jays. Not many other stars are going to be available for such a ho-hum trade offer.

You're absolutely right. The Celtics need to be looking at a "buy-low"-player with All Star impact. Those are not easy to find. Moreover the skillset that we demand is a superb ball handler with reliable 3-point-range. Now the pond is really getting small.

So Lillard could be a real target for us. But to be honest, VanVleet is so underrated. If they'd cost the same I might prefer VanVleet considering age, contract and defense.

If Portland was willing to give up Lillard, couldn't they get Simmons from PHI?  How do we beat that?

Lillard is having surgery.

With Lillard potentially out for 6-8 weeks, maybe Portland decides to blow it up. Maybe we could go for CJ?

[Who]

Why I like Lillard

The Celtics have limited trade assets outside of Jaylen and Tatum to add a 3rd star. It is precisely because Lillard is over 30, a score-first PG and on a massive contract that Boston is able to get him. If he was under 30 and on a lower deal, it would cost Tatum to get him.

These are the guys you get with limited trade assets -- guys with flaws.

I like Lillard because he is a ball-handler and that is something Boston desperately need. He is a shot-creator, an efficient scorer and a highly productive scorer to give Boston 3 high quality scorers. Boston needs those skills. They need his maturity and leadership. They need his never-give-up attitude.

He is not a nutcase like Kyrie who is difficult to play with / coach. He is not a broken down injured mirage of his past self like Kemba. He is not a plus defender but he is fine. He is not a liability to the extent that IT or Kemba were.

This is a guy who has a lot to offer and has a chance to actually be available for the mediocre trade package Boston has to offer outside the Jays. Not many other stars are going to be available for such a ho-hum trade offer.

You're absolutely right. The Celtics need to be looking at a "buy-low"-player with All Star impact. Those are not easy to find. Moreover the skillset that we demand is a superb ball handler with reliable 3-point-range. Now the pond is really getting small.

So Lillard could be a real target for us. But to be honest, VanVleet is so underrated. If they'd cost the same I might prefer VanVleet considering age, contract and defense.

If Portland was willing to give up Lillard, couldn't they get Simmons from PHI?  How do we beat that?

We can't. It just depends how they value Ben Simmons. Are they a team that considers him an All-Star talent? Or a highly flawed overpaid player that isn't worth building around?

Simmons is so polarizing that some teams would prefer a bunch of picks and a fully blown rebuild through the draft over trying to build around him.

The question is Portland one of those teams or not? Who knows but we only have a shot at Lillard if they are.

[Who]

Why are we spending so much time talking about Lillard if brown is not on the table?  So unrealistic.

Disagree. Given Lillard's age (31yo) + massive salary ($40mil this year with another $135mil owed for next 3 years), there will only be a small number of teams going after him.

At his age he is not suitable for teams that are rebuilding because he'll be too old by the time they are ready to compete. So only contenders and near-contenders will be in the running. Then you add his salary and the difficulty of absorbing that / matching salaries and the pack thins further.

I believe Lillard will be available for something similar to what Houston got for Harden (Jarrett Allen, Caris LeVert, a bunch of picks and pick swaps).

But we have to wait for (if!!) Portland decides to pull the plug and blow it up. For them to finally admit to themselves that they cannot win with their current team, have too few avenues for major improvements and that Lillard is too old to go through a full blown rebuilding process so they are better off selling Lillard to the highest bidder and starting over.

[droopdog7]

Why are we spending so much time talking about Lillard if brown is not on the table?  So unrealistic.

Disagree. Given Lillard's age (31yo) + massive salary ($40mil this year with another $135mil owed for next 3 years), there will only be a small number of teams going after him.

At his age he is not suitable for teams that are rebuilding because he'll be too old by the time they are ready to compete. So only contenders and near-contenders will be in the running. Then you add his salary and the difficulty of absorbing that / matching salaries and the pack thins further.

I believe Lillard will be available for something similar to what Houston got for Harden (Jarrett Allen, Caris LeVert, a bunch of picks and pick swaps).

But we have to wait for (if!!) Portland decides to pull the plug and blow it up. For them to finally admit to themselves that they cannot win with their current team, have too few avenues for major improvements and that Lillard is too old to go through a full blown rebuilding process so they are better off selling Lillard to the highest bidder and starting over.

Harden forced his way to NJ, and yet, it still required a guy that as good as Rob and another (LeVert) that we don't that we don't have an equivalent for (I think he was more valuable than smart for instance) AND effectively five first round picks.

Even imagining that this type of trade were realistic, you'd still have to ask yourself if it is a wise move. 

[Surferdad]

Doesn’t everything we know about the C’s current salary structure suggest they will wait, clear cap space, and go after a big fish to complement the Jays?

[Celtics2021]

Doesn’t everything we know about the C’s current salary structure suggest they will wait, clear cap space, and go after a big fish to complement the Jays?

With the extensions of Smart and Williams this summer, they will not have “big fish” cap space until Brown’s contract runs out.

[droopdog7]

Doesn’t everything we know about the C’s current salary structure suggest they will wait, clear cap space, and go after a big fish to complement the Jays?

With the extensions of Smart and Williams this summer, they will not have “big fish” cap space until Brown’s contract runs out.

And then we won’t have cap space either unless brown is renounced?

[Celtics2021]

Doesn’t everything we know about the C’s current salary structure suggest they will wait, clear cap space, and go after a big fish to complement the Jays?

With the extensions of Smart and Williams this summer, they will not have “big fish” cap space until Brown’s contract runs out.

And then we won’t have cap space either unless brown is renounced?

Maybe.  Could be a cap spike that year with a new CBA and impending media deal.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Could we get some of those pacer wings without giving up Jay's, Smart or Time Lord...

Brogdon, Warren, Lavert

[Neurotic Guy]

WT

[CFAN38]

Doesn’t everything we know about the C’s current salary structure suggest they will wait, clear cap space, and go after a big fish to complement the Jays?

With the extensions of Smart and Williams this summer, they will not have “big fish” cap space until Brown’s contract runs out.

And then we won’t have cap space either unless brown is renounced?

With the large TPE and the contracts of Smart/Richardson/Hernangomez the Cs will have the flexibility to trade for anyone. The way the last few offseasons have gone this might be as good as cap space