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C’s Trade Deadline Move(s)
« on: January 11, 2022, 09:40:11 PM »

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Trade deadline is less than a month away, so who would you like to see the C’s bring in? It’s being reported that Boston is not interested in moving either of the J’s, so assuming that’s true I hope they use their TPE to bring in either Thaddeus Young or Larry Nance Jr.

Why?

Grant Williams 3pt shooting percentage is coming back down to earth(31% over the last 10 games) and I’d prefer having a veteran Forward coming off the bench that has height and athleticism. Feel like the C’s have the least amount of depth at the 3/4. I also don’t think Thad Young or Larry Nance will cost Boston much in terms of assets.

Depth Chart

Smart, Schroder, Pritchard
Brown, Richardson, Langford
Tatum, Nance/Young, Richardson/Langford
Horford, Nance/Young, Grant Williams
Timelord, Horford, Kanter(Freedom)
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Re: 2022 NBA Trade Deadline
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2022, 09:43:59 PM »

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I don't expect us to make any moves. Not convinced we have either the ambition or the urgency necessary for neither big or small changes.

Re: C’s Trade Deadline Move(s)
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2022, 09:47:19 PM »

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We already have spacing problems and you want Thaddeus Young?

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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2022, 10:06:08 PM »

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I don't expect us to make any moves. Not convinced we have either the ambition or the urgency necessary for neither big or small changes.

So you think the C’s are going to let their $17M TPE expire? That doesn’t seem like a good strategy.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: 2022 NBA Trade Deadline
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2022, 10:12:12 PM »

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I don't expect us to make any moves. Not convinced we have either the ambition or the urgency necessary for neither big or small changes.

So you think the C’s are going to let their $17M TPE expire? That doesn’t seem like a good strategy.
wouldn't be the first TPE to expire.  they'll do that rather than up the team salary for tax purposes when it's not going to propel the team dramatically forward.

always liked Thad and would love to have him here but I don't see a deal for him coming to pass

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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2022, 10:12:14 PM »

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I don't expect us to make any moves. Not convinced we have either the ambition or the urgency necessary for neither big or small changes.

So you think the C’s are going to let their $17M TPE expire? That doesn’t seem like a good strategy.

No, I think they’re going to use it this summer as opposed to paying $30 million extra in luxury taxes to add Thaddeus Young.

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2022, 10:24:10 PM »

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I don't expect us to make any moves. Not convinced we have either the ambition or the urgency necessary for neither big or small changes.

So you think the C’s are going to let their $17M TPE expire? That doesn’t seem like a good strategy.

No, I think they’re going to use it this summer as opposed to paying $30 million extra in luxury taxes to add Thaddeus Young.

I was under the impression that the C’s had to use the TPE this season, but I could be wrong. So the team has more salary on the books next year than they do this year, so how does it save them money by using the TPE in the off-season vs now.
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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Re: 2022 NBA Trade Deadline
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2022, 10:29:57 PM »

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I don't expect us to make any moves. Not convinced we have either the ambition or the urgency necessary for neither big or small changes.

So you think the C’s are going to let their $17M TPE expire? That doesn’t seem like a good strategy.

No, I think they’re going to use it this summer as opposed to paying $30 million extra in luxury taxes to add Thaddeus Young.

I was under the impression that the C’s had to use the TPE this season, but I could be wrong. So the team has more salary on the books next year than they do this year, so how does it save them money by using the TPE in the off-season vs now.

Yeah, the timing of the moves that created the TPE ensure that we can use it this summer. I'm pretty sure Stevens did that on purpose as he was unlikely to use it during the season.

Re: C’s Trade Deadline Move(s)
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2022, 10:36:56 PM »

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I would like to see the Celtics trade Schröder and Hernangomez and take back as little salary as possible.

I want to see PP, Grant, and Romeo get as many minutes as possible to end this year.

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2022, 10:44:57 PM »

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I don't expect us to make any moves. Not convinced we have either the ambition or the urgency necessary for neither big or small changes.

So you think the C’s are going to let their $17M TPE expire? That doesn’t seem like a good strategy.

No, I think they’re going to use it this summer as opposed to paying $30 million extra in luxury taxes to add Thaddeus Young.

I was under the impression that the C’s had to use the TPE this season, but I could be wrong. So the team has more salary on the books next year than they do this year, so how does it save them money by using the TPE in the off-season vs now.

It saves them money because:

1) The luxury tax is higher, so they are over the tax by less, and it’s the amount over the tax that matters
2) Hernangomez is non-guaranteed next year and will certainly be released, so subtract $7.5 million from the total you see on their salaries
3) Horford is only guaranteed $14.5 of $26.5 million, and has not played like someone who will be paid $26.5 million next year, so subtract another $12 million from what you see the C’s committed to paying (and more if they choose to stretch the amount owed).

Using the TPE would likely put them over the tax line a bit, but probably more in the $5-10 range than the $20 million over that Young would put them in this season, and that’s a difference of $28.75 million or more in luxury tax.

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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2022, 10:54:51 PM »

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I don't expect us to make any moves. Not convinced we have either the ambition or the urgency necessary for neither big or small changes.

So you think the C’s are going to let their $17M TPE expire? That doesn’t seem like a good strategy.

No, I think they’re going to use it this summer as opposed to paying $30 million extra in luxury taxes to add Thaddeus Young.

I was under the impression that the C’s had to use the TPE this season, but I could be wrong. So the team has more salary on the books next year than they do this year, so how does it save them money by using the TPE in the off-season vs now.

It saves them money because:

1) The luxury tax is higher, so they are over the tax by less, and it’s the amount over the tax that matters
2) Hernangomez is non-guaranteed next year and will certainly be released, so subtract $7.5 million from the total you see on their salaries
3) Horford is only guaranteed $14.5 of $26.5 million, and has not played like someone who will be paid $26.5 million next year, so subtract another $12 million from what you see the C’s committed to paying (and more if they choose to stretch the amount owed).

Using the TPE would likely put them over the tax line a bit, but probably more in the $5-10 range than the $20 million over that Young would put them in this season, and that’s a difference of $28.75 million or more in luxury tax.



That makes more sense. Tp to you.
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Re: C’s Trade Deadline Move(s)
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2022, 12:32:25 AM »

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With Jalen Brunson becoming an UFA this season, he’s going to be looking for a multi year offer, lead PG duties, and starting role. Dallas won’t promise him the primary ball handler role nor starting PG position.

This kid has won 2 NCAA titles, was still drafted in the 2nd round, and is still coming off the bench despite playing well; he must have a boulder-sized chip on his shoulder.

Brunson is 25, can direct an offense, protects the ball, gets into the paint with ease, great shooter inside the arch, and can play well on/off ball. He’s a lefty giving off serious Mike Conley vibes.

I don’t know much about his defense, but if it checks out, Brad should gauge interest and offer him what he wants. Dallas might prefer to keep him until the off-season, but they will trade him if the offer’s right.

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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2022, 05:49:40 AM »

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With Jalen Brunson becoming an UFA this season, he’s going to be looking for a multi year offer, lead PG duties, and starting role. Dallas won’t promise him the primary ball handler role nor starting PG position.

This kid has won 2 NCAA titles, was still drafted in the 2nd round, and is still coming off the bench despite playing well; he must have a boulder-sized chip on his shoulder.

Brunson is 25, can direct an offense, protects the ball, gets into the paint with ease, great shooter inside the arch, and can play well on/off ball. He’s a lefty giving off serious Mike Conley vibes.

I don’t know much about his defense, but if it checks out, Brad should gauge interest and offer him what he wants. Dallas might prefer to keep him until the off-season, but they will trade him if the offer’s right.
I like this idea.  I'm not sure why Dallas doesn't want to hand him the keys, considering who they have on their roster.  Obviously, elite shooting would look great next to Doncic, but Brunson is a player.

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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2022, 05:53:19 AM »

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Im still wishing we can dump Schroeder for a late 1st rounder!
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2022, 06:55:58 AM »

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Can someone explain the rationale for dumping Schroeder for not much or a draft pick?

I don't particularly like Schroeder on this team, but he is plus value.

To me it seems: let him play out the year, maybe we get hot and go on a 10 game run and get into the top 4 (we are currently 4 games out of 4th) - he will be more useful in the playoffs than anything we would get in return no?

EDIT: (Obviously if he is filler in a larger deal, I'm all for it)
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