Celtics (18-20) at Knicks (17-20) Game #39 1/6/22

[hpantazo]

Watched the 4th , twice.

I'm sorry, Jaylen Brown sucked. He has no court awareness at all. I counted at least half dozen forced shots and careless turnovers. All he knows is he wants to shoot the ball, he can't get it through his scull that the defense tightens up in the 4th and he has to adjust. His overall stats in the 4th quarter are now officially horrible, and reason enough to take him out of the game.   

Tatum had a decent game, he's starting to get it. His game in the first 3 quarters was very nice to watch. Then the 4th quarter comes and he takes on the superstar syndrome, trying to takeover the game as if it's his job alone. After all it's on national TV.   

I hope Time Lord stays heathy, the kid is a human eraser.

Big Al looks a full step behind. It's time to consider him off the bench to shorten his minutes. Who'll take his place I have no idea.

This was painful, even if I could feel it developing. Teams in the NBA know exactly what to expect of this team in the 4th quarter and will remain confident as they wait in the bushes for the Celtics predictable play at the games end.

I think it's time to send Big Al too one of Lebron's mid-season rejuvenation retreats.

[Mahk E Mahk]

I hope both of the Jays are in the gym all summer working on their dribbling and ball handling.
Both of them get stripped all the time, and are poor off the dribble for all-star level players.
Maybe some intensive ball handling training for months at a time will make that more 2nd nature for them.
It is still an issue for both of them.

There is no spacing on the floor. Brown and Tatum play with 3 non-shooters.

I can't argue with that Liam lol.

But, there is 12 sec left in the game, Tatum is dribbling the ball up to start on his ISO play, randomly almost gets stripped from behind while slowly dribbling across 1/2 court.  We were lucky the ball went out of bounds, otherwise he wouldn't have even had a shot to tie. 

As bad as Smart is sometimes, he knows how to protect the ball as a ball handler.  Both JT and JB need to learn that skill from him.  I think the Jays try to be too complicated with their ball handling and it just gives defenses the opportunity to steal the ball.

if you watch that play again, it’s clear tatum is just lazy with the ball. in a 1:1 backcourt situation like that, you use your body to protect the ball. tatum tried to lazily dribble around the defender and didn’t make a sharp cut when he got past the defender to position his body between the defender and the ball. every single  nba player in the league could poke that ball from behind. in addition to being mentally soft, ball handling is tatum’s achilles heel.

[Atzar]

So tired of this franchise right now, man.  Players, Ime, Brad, Wyc, all of it. 

[liam]

I hope both of the Jays are in the gym all summer working on their dribbling and ball handling.
Both of them get stripped all the time, and are poor off the dribble for all-star level players.
Maybe some intensive ball handling training for months at a time will make that more 2nd nature for them.
It is still an issue for both of them.

There is no spacing on the floor. Brown and Tatum play with 3 non-shooters.

I can't argue with that Liam lol.

But, there is 12 sec left in the game, Tatum is dribbling the ball up to start on his ISO play, randomly almost gets stripped from behind while slowly dribbling across 1/2 court.  We were lucky the ball went out of bounds, otherwise he wouldn't have even had a shot to tie. 

As bad as Smart is sometimes, he knows how to protect the ball as a ball handler.  Both JT and JB need to learn that skill from him.  I think the Jays try to be too complicated with their ball handling and it just gives defenses the opportunity to steal the ball.

if you watch that play again, it’s clear tatum is just lazy with the ball. in a 1:1 backcourt situation like that, you use your body to protect the ball. tatum tried to lazily dribble around the defender and didn’t make a sharp cut when he got past the defender to position his body between the defender and the ball. every single  nba player in the league could poke that ball from behind. in addition to being mentally soft, ball handling is tatum’s achilles heel.

Why have him handling there? Ime said that was his call.

[#1P4P]

This is a continuation, not from last season, but from the 2020 playoffs. This is not a talent issue, our roster is top 5 in the East with 2 top 30 players.

This team is suffering from a toughness/execution issue that neither the players nor Stevens or Udoka have fixed. Stevens masked the issue until last season.

The way these teams continue to attack at a defector, I’m sure the scouting report on the C’s is that if you keep pressure on them they will fold, and voila.

[csfansince60s]

So tired of this franchise right now, man.  Players, Ime, Brad, Wyc, all of it.

Brad won’t be fired, and you cant fire the players…. Hmmm… Who does that leave?

[liam]

This is a continuation, not from last season, but from the 2020 playoffs. This is not a talent issue, our roster is top 5 in the East with 2 top 30 players.

This team is suffering from a toughness/execution issue that neither the players nor Stevens or Udoka have fixed. Stevens masked the issue until last season.

The way these teams continue to attack at a defector, I’m sure the scouting report on the C’s is that if you keep pressure on them they will fold, and voila.

You only have to guard one player at the end of games. That is easy for any NBA team.

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1479302495549771778?s=20

Yikes. Who was it that earlier said we’re gonna run Tatum out of town? This kind of stuff coming from him isn’t good.

[Ogaju]

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1479302495549771778?s=20

Yikes. Who was it that earlier said we’re gonna run Tatum out of town? This kind of stuff coming from him isn’t good.

His body language betrays his disillusion.

[Mahk E Mahk]

I hope both of the Jays are in the gym all summer working on their dribbling and ball handling.
Both of them get stripped all the time, and are poor off the dribble for all-star level players.
Maybe some intensive ball handling training for months at a time will make that more 2nd nature for them.
It is still an issue for both of them.

There is no spacing on the floor. Brown and Tatum play with 3 non-shooters.

I can't argue with that Liam lol.

But, there is 12 sec left in the game, Tatum is dribbling the ball up to start on his ISO play, randomly almost gets stripped from behind while slowly dribbling across 1/2 court.  We were lucky the ball went out of bounds, otherwise he wouldn't have even had a shot to tie. 

As bad as Smart is sometimes, he knows how to protect the ball as a ball handler.  Both JT and JB need to learn that skill from him.  I think the Jays try to be too complicated with their ball handling and it just gives defenses the opportunity to steal the ball.

if you watch that play again, it’s clear tatum is just lazy with the ball. in a 1:1 backcourt situation like that, you use your body to protect the ball. tatum tried to lazily dribble around the defender and didn’t make a sharp cut when he got past the defender to position his body between the defender and the ball. every single  nba player in the league could poke that ball from behind. in addition to being mentally soft, ball handling is tatum’s achilles heel.

Why have him handling there? Ime said that was his call.

agreed, you make the better point. twelve seconds is plenty of time to run a full ato with a ball-handling guard directing the action, and big men running screens to get the ball to an open tatum or brown. horrible coaching by ime: zero creativity or sound X’s/O’s playing to the C’s strengths and getting the match-ups we want. actually, not just horrible coaching, lazy coaching. 

[liam]

I hope both of the Jays are in the gym all summer working on their dribbling and ball handling.
Both of them get stripped all the time, and are poor off the dribble for all-star level players.
Maybe some intensive ball handling training for months at a time will make that more 2nd nature for them.
It is still an issue for both of them.

There is no spacing on the floor. Brown and Tatum play with 3 non-shooters.

I can't argue with that Liam lol.

But, there is 12 sec left in the game, Tatum is dribbling the ball up to start on his ISO play, randomly almost gets stripped from behind while slowly dribbling across 1/2 court.  We were lucky the ball went out of bounds, otherwise he wouldn't have even had a shot to tie. 

As bad as Smart is sometimes, he knows how to protect the ball as a ball handler.  Both JT and JB need to learn that skill from him.  I think the Jays try to be too complicated with their ball handling and it just gives defenses the opportunity to steal the ball.

if you watch that play again, it’s clear tatum is just lazy with the ball. in a 1:1 backcourt situation like that, you use your body to protect the ball. tatum tried to lazily dribble around the defender and didn’t make a sharp cut when he got past the defender to position his body between the defender and the ball. every single  nba player in the league could poke that ball from behind. in addition to being mentally soft, ball handling is tatum’s achilles heel.

Why have him handling there? Ime said that was his call.

agreed, you make the better point. twelve seconds is plenty of time to run a full ato with a ball-handling guard directing the action, and big men running screens to get the ball to an open tatum or brown. horrible coaching by ime: zero creativity or sound X’s/O’s playing to the C’s strengths and getting the match-ups we want. actually, not just horrible coaching, lazy coaching.

Just a total lack of coaching.

[radiohead]

Of course, Ime comes out in the postgame presser throwing his team under the bus again.

What he say?

Basically he said our guys choked under pressure and we need better leadership.

"Ime Udoka: “Repetitive result is happening.”

Said it will keep happening if the Celtics don’t make changes. Said they need leadership to stop them from getting rattled."

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1479287196624601101?t=gHfzwbIaXaky533z1TLM2g&s=19

Isn’t he supposed to be the leader? If he believes in his game plan and his players can’t execute then he isnt being an effective coach. If the players do execute his game plan (like shooting three’s inexplicably) and we still lose then his game plan needs to be looked at. As they used to say, players win games and coaches lose them.

[SparzWizard]

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1479302495549771778?s=20

Yikes. Who was it that earlier said we’re gonna run Tatum out of town? This kind of stuff coming from him isn’t good.

His body language betrays his disillusion.

I mean is he not allowed to express how or what he truly feels? This team looks/plays like dogcrap. Ime is just pathetic.

Two ECF appearances and fell short. Lots of early playoff exits. Just not a good team both front office and roster. He's prob gonna take his talents elsewhere sooner than later

[Ogaju]

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1479302495549771778?s=20

Yikes. Who was it that earlier said we’re gonna run Tatum out of town? This kind of stuff coming from him isn’t good.

His body language betrays his disillusion.

I mean is he not allowed to express how or what he truly feels? This team looks/plays like dogcrap. Ime is just pathetic.

Two ECF appearances and fell short. Lots of early playoff exits. Just not a good team both front office and roster. He's prob gonna take his talents elsewhere sooner than later

If things do not change, he will.

[hpantazo]

How long before players turn on Ime? The team looks awful, a lot of guys are being miss-used and/or benched, and he keeps throwing the team under the bus after each loss.