Celtics (18-20) at Knicks (17-20) Game #39 1/6/22

[hpantazo]

Of course, Ime comes out in the postgame presser throwing his team under the bus again.

What he say?

Basically he said our guys choked under pressure and we need better leadership.

"Ime Udoka: “Repetitive result is happening.”

Said it will keep happening if the Celtics don’t make changes. Said they need leadership to stop them from getting rattled."

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1479287196624601101?t=gHfzwbIaXaky533z1TLM2g&s=19

is coaching leadership??  I guess not.  Then why not just hire someone off of CelticsStrong?  I mean if the coach has no impact on the game, and isn't required to provide any 'leadership' why are we paying Ime so much money?
what  a horrible answer.

It's his team. Maybe he should try something different.

New starting lineup: TIMELORD, Tatum, Brown, Richardson, Smart.

I don't think the 5th starter is on the team yet. I agree we should move Al to the bench and roll with Tatum at the 4. But we need a more credible shooter in the backcourt with Smart.

That should be Nesmith. They should have been grooming him for that role to start the season rather than starting Horford and feeding Schroder who won't be on the team past this spring.

[liam]

Of course, Ime comes out in the postgame presser throwing his team under the bus again.

What he say?

Basically he said our guys choked under pressure and we need better leadership.

"Ime Udoka: “Repetitive result is happening.”

Said it will keep happening if the Celtics don’t make changes. Said they need leadership to stop them from getting rattled."

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1479287196624601101?t=gHfzwbIaXaky533z1TLM2g&s=19

is coaching leadership??  I guess not.  Then why not just hire someone off of CelticsStrong?  I mean if the coach has no impact on the game, and isn't required to provide any 'leadership' why are we paying Ime so much money?
what  a horrible answer.

It's his team. Maybe he should try something different.

New starting lineup: TIMELORD, Tatum, Brown, Richardson, Smart.

I don't think the 5th starter is on the team yet. I agree we should move Al to the bench and roll with Tatum at the 4. But we need a more credible shooter in the backcourt with Smart.

Play Hauser at the 4. Do something because this ain't working!

[ozgod]

Ime = clueless

I keep reminding myself he is a rookie coach and it’s his first season but gee he’s going to have a lot of reflecting to do after this season 

[RJ87]

Of course, Ime comes out in the postgame presser throwing his team under the bus again.

What he say?

Basically he said our guys choked under pressure and we need better leadership.

"Ime Udoka: “Repetitive result is happening.”

Said it will keep happening if the Celtics don’t make changes. Said they need leadership to stop them from getting rattled."

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1479287196624601101?t=gHfzwbIaXaky533z1TLM2g&s=19

is coaching leadership??  I guess not.  Then why not just hire someone off of CelticsStrong?  I mean if the coach has no impact on the game, and isn't required to provide any 'leadership' why are we paying Ime so much money?
what  a horrible answer.

It's his team. Maybe he should try something different.

New starting lineup: TIMELORD, Tatum, Brown, Richardson, Smart.

I don't think the 5th starter is on the team yet. I agree we should move Al to the bench and roll with Tatum at the 4. But we need a more credible shooter in the backcourt with Smart.

That should be Nesmith. They should have been grooming him for that role to start the season rather than starting Horford and feeding Schroder who won't be on the team past this spring.

100% agree. I'd much rather watch Nesmith play through his mistakes than watch Al crumble into dust at this point.

[blink]

I hope both of the Jays are in the gym all summer working on their dribbling and ball handling.
Both of them get stripped all the time, and are poor off the dribble for all-star level players.
Maybe some intensive ball handling training for months at a time will make that more 2nd nature for them.
It is still an issue for both of them.

There is no spacing on the floor. Brown and Tatum play with 3 non-shooters.

I can't argue with that Liam lol.

But, there is 12 sec left in the game, Tatum is dribbling the ball up to start on his ISO play, randomly almost gets stripped from behind while slowly dribbling across 1/2 court.  We were lucky the ball went out of bounds, otherwise he wouldn't have even had a shot to tie. 

As bad as Smart is sometimes, he knows how to protect the ball as a ball handler.  Both JT and JB need to learn that skill from him.  I think the Jays try to be too complicated with their ball handling and it just gives defenses the opportunity to steal the ball.

[SparzWizard]

Ime sounds just like Bruce Arians. The sooner he leaves the Celtics the better.

[blink]

Of course, Ime comes out in the postgame presser throwing his team under the bus again.

What he say?

Basically he said our guys choked under pressure and we need better leadership.

"Ime Udoka: “Repetitive result is happening.”

Said it will keep happening if the Celtics don’t make changes. Said they need leadership to stop them from getting rattled."

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1479287196624601101?t=gHfzwbIaXaky533z1TLM2g&s=19

is coaching leadership??  I guess not.  Then why not just hire someone off of CelticsStrong?  I mean if the coach has no impact on the game, and isn't required to provide any 'leadership' why are we paying Ime so much money?
what  a horrible answer.

It's his team. Maybe he should try something different.

New starting lineup: TIMELORD, Tatum, Brown, Richardson, Smart.

I don't think the 5th starter is on the team yet. I agree we should move Al to the bench and roll with Tatum at the 4. But we need a more credible shooter in the backcourt with Smart.

That should be Nesmith. They should have been grooming him for that role to start the season rather than starting Horford and feeding Schroder who won't be on the team past this spring.

100% agree. I'd much rather watch Nesmith play through his mistakes than watch Al crumble into dust at this point.

It feels like Ime has completely froze out Nesmith from the rotation, and he needs to rebuild his confidence and spark.  So it seems unlikely that Ime would even consider this, even though it is a logical move.

[liam]

Of course, Ime comes out in the postgame presser throwing his team under the bus again.

What he say?

Basically he said our guys choked under pressure and we need better leadership.

"Ime Udoka: “Repetitive result is happening.”

Said it will keep happening if the Celtics don’t make changes. Said they need leadership to stop them from getting rattled."

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1479287196624601101?t=gHfzwbIaXaky533z1TLM2g&s=19

is coaching leadership??  I guess not.  Then why not just hire someone off of CelticsStrong?  I mean if the coach has no impact on the game, and isn't required to provide any 'leadership' why are we paying Ime so much money?
what  a horrible answer.

It's his team. Maybe he should try something different.

New starting lineup: TIMELORD, Tatum, Brown, Richardson, Smart.

I don't think the 5th starter is on the team yet. I agree we should move Al to the bench and roll with Tatum at the 4. But we need a more credible shooter in the backcourt with Smart.

That should be Nesmith. They should have been grooming him for that role to start the season rather than starting Horford and feeding Schroder who won't be on the team past this spring.

100% agree. I'd much rather watch Nesmith play through his mistakes than watch Al crumble into dust at this point.

Ime has just played Al into the ground. Where are Romeo and Nesmith?

[slamtheking]

watched on tape delay.  tonight's hot takes:
-other than that red hot stretch by the C's in the second, the offense really sucked tonight.
-game was yet more proof that this team does not have the offensive talent to win when either Tatum or Brown are not having a good night.  Brown was not having a good night.
-good to see Tatum finally wake up and have a good game.
-Jaylen played poorly.  started well but shot went south and a lot of boneheaded plays
-DS was a mess tonight.  boxscore makes him look good but it doesn't begin to capture the number of bad plays he made.
-Al's offense - or lack thereof - killed us in the third.  just awful.
-how can this team let Fournier go off for 41 points?  how?

team is now out of the playoffs.  as this team was fumbling away their lead through the third and into the fourth, I was getting to the point where I wanted them to lose to drive home the point they are nowhere good enough to ever coast in a game and that a lottery pick this year may be the only positive thing that comes from it.

oh, and lastly, THIS TEAM STINKS.  just outright stinks.  stayed optimistic despite the poor play this season but tonight they lost me.   ready to move Horford, Smart, DS for other assets to put around the J's.

[libermaniac]

Ime appears to be the dumbest coach in the history of the game.  He cost them by not challenging the obvious out of bounds on the Knicks with 2:07 left.  What the heck was he saving it for?  3 point swing right there.  Not only that, but momentum. If the C's go down and score after being up 2 (Tatum ended up with the 3 point play), C's are up 5 and in the drivers seat.  What am I missing?

[hpantazo]

You are what your record says you are. Heading towards the all-star break, we're a lottery team.

[liam]

Ime appears to be the dumbest coach in the history of the game.  He cost them by not challenging the obvious out of bounds on the Knicks with 2:07 left.  What the heck was he saving it for?  3 point swing right there.  Not only that, but momentum. If the C's go down and score after being up 2 (Tatum ended up with the 3 point play), C's are up 5 and in the drivers seat.  What am I missing?

You've got it. Ime is the one who's missing something.

[Rosco917]

Watched the 4th , twice.

I'm sorry, Jaylen Brown sucked. He has no court awareness at all. I counted at least half dozen forced shots and careless turnovers. All he knows is he wants to shoot the ball, he can't get it through his scull that the defense tightens up in the 4th and he has to adjust. His overall stats in the 4th quarter are now officially horrible, and reason enough to take him out of the game.   

Tatum had a decent game, he's starting to get it. His game in the first 3 quarters was very nice to watch. Then the 4th quarter comes and he takes on the superstar syndrome, trying to takeover the game as if it's his job alone. After all it's on national TV.   

I hope Time Lord stays heathy, the kid is a human eraser.

Big Al looks a full step behind. It's time to consider him off the bench to shorten his minutes. Who'll take his place I have no idea.

This was painful, even if I could feel it developing. Teams in the NBA know exactly what to expect of this team in the 4th quarter and will remain confident as they wait in the bushes for the Celtics predictable play at the games end. 

[keevsnick]

Ime has been awful.

Last game there was a stretch where Jaylen played with 4 non shooters and the only reason it wasn't a disaster was Brown hit like 3 straight jumpers. This game Tatum played with 4 non shooters (Smart, Dennis, Al, Rob), the Celtics lost the lead, and the only reason it wasn't worse was because Tatum hit a bunch of jumpers.

If you were actively trying to develop a game plan to make things hard on Jaylen/Tatum it would look pretty much like what the Celtics have been doing.

You can't keep playing all these hopeless lineups. If Brown-Smart-Tatum-Williams are in the clsoing lineup the fifth guy HAS TO BE A SHOOTER. Its the only way to get the bare minimum 3 shooters you need on the court.

If you are gonna let Tatum play PG, then why in the hell are you playing two non-shooting PG's?

And for the love of god can we figure out something to do with whichever of Brown/Tatum isnt handling the ball? This game Tatum was on, so for quarters 2-4 Brown got parked in the corner. I think he took 6 shots the last three quarters. Run a pick and roll with Tatum/Brown. Have Brown run off a screen. Just do something, its not like our offense is soooooo good we can't risk it. Why don't we have Brown at the top of the arc taking those shots Smart is getting off the Tatum doubles?

Side Note: I like Smart as the PG, but if you are gonna run Tatum as the ball handler I think it may be best to get a PG who can actually shoot. Doubly so if you want Brown to ever run PnR. Swapping out Schroder for Richardson/Grant at the end of these games will help, but in the long run you may just need to swap out Smart to get a fourth shooter out there because the very bets offenses tend to have four shooters and a dive man. Not a knoc on smart, just might be the way it is.

[keevsnick]

Watched the 4th , twice.

I'm sorry, Jaylen Brown sucked. He has no court awareness at all. I counted at least half dozen forced shots and careless turnovers. All he knows is he wants to shoot the ball, he can't get it through his scull that the defense tightens up in the 4th and he has to adjust. His overall stats in the 4th quarter are now officially horrible, and reason enough to take him out of the game.   

Tatum had a decent game, he's starting to get it. His game in the first 3 quarters was very nice to watch. Then the 4th quarter comes and he takes on the superstar syndrome, trying to takeover the game as if it's his job alone. After all it's on national TV.   

I hope Time Lord stays heathy, the kid is a human eraser.

Big Al looks a full step behind. It's time to consider him off the bench to shorten his minutes. Who'll take his place I have no idea.

This was painful, even if I could feel it developing. Teams in the NBA know exactly what to expect of this team in the 4th quarter and will remain confident as they wait in the bushes for the Celtics predictable play at the games end.

Jaylen Brown shot the ball once in the fourth. he had one turnover. So i think it would be hard for him to have "half a dozen forced shots."