Shams: Celtics Interested In Simmons

[michigan adam]

I would do Smart, Richardson, fernando OR Hernan to make the numbers work.  No picks either way.

Schroeder
Brown
Tatum
Simmons
Hortford

Bench of Pritchard, nesmith, langford, RW3

Deep bench Kanter, parker, GW, fernando OR Hernan

I don't think 6ers do this, but at this point this is all he is worth.

C's do this to trade Marcus "poor playmaking" this year, and overall poor shooting and short stature, for a taller guy who's size fits better, has similar D albeit against larger opposition, and shoots ZERO from outside, but shoots a higher percentage from inside and passes better.  Simmons is better, but this package is fair I think.

[Kiorrik]

I'd definitely consider this.

They're including that one tall dude right?

[Jvalin]

I would do Smart, Richardson, fernando OR Hernan to make the numbers work.  No picks either way.

Schroeder
Brown
Tatum
Simmons
Hortford

Bench of Pritchard, nesmith, langford, RW3

Deep bench Kanter, parker, GW, fernando OR Hernan

I don't think 6ers do this, but at this point this is all he is worth.

C's do this to trade Marcus "poor playmaking" this year, and overall poor shooting and short stature, for a taller guy who's size fits better, has similar D albeit against larger opposition, and shoots ZERO from outside, but shoots a higher percentage from inside and passes better.  Simmons is better, but this package is fair I think.

Do yourself a favor and propose this same idea in a Sixers forum. I bet every single poster will consider it insulting. Other teams aren't stupid, neither do they have to accept our leftovers for their best players. If the Sixers were willing to dump Simmons for pennies on the dollar, they would have already traded him by now.

[ozgod]

I can't see how this works salary wise unless Tatum or Brown are part of it. Sixers won't take Al back and we don't have any other comparable salaries other than Smartacus who can't be traded till January. If they want to wait till then maybe we could package Smartacus, Richardson and Hernangomez to make up the salaries, but none of those are All Stars and I can't see Morey agreeing. I think this is a red herring from Rich Paul to try and drum up interest in Simmons.

If Brad is serious about this Brown is probably going to be the one in the deal. He would do fine playing off of Embiid and Harris. That would be a big loss for us though. I'm intrigued by Simmons with our team but not enough to give up Brown or Tatum, similarities aside. Plus Brad is kind of a character person, and I would be surprised if he shipped out Brown for a malcontent in Simmons who has shown how little he thinks of signed contracts. That's probably where the "no traction" comment came from.

[SHAQATTACK]

I would do Smart, Richardson, fernando OR Hernan to make the numbers work.  No picks either way.

Schroeder
Brown
Tatum
Simmons
Hortford

Bench of Pritchard, nesmith, langford, RW3

Deep bench Kanter, parker, GW, fernando OR Hernan

I don't think 6ers do this, but at this point this is all he is worth.

C's do this to trade Marcus "poor playmaking" this year, and overall poor shooting and short stature, for a taller guy who's size fits better, has similar D albeit against larger opposition, and shoots ZERO from outside, but shoots a higher percentage from inside and passes better.  Simmons is better, but this package is fair I think.

I just went deaf from the slam hang up on Philly s end

[Ogaju]

Nice to see Boston quickly squash that nonsense.

[Vermont Green]

I would do Smart, Richardson, fernando OR Hernan to make the numbers work.  No picks either way.

Schroeder
Brown
Tatum
Simmons
Hortford

Bench of Pritchard, nesmith, langford, RW3

Deep bench Kanter, parker, GW, fernando OR Hernan

I don't think 6ers do this, but at this point this is all he is worth.

C's do this to trade Marcus "poor playmaking" this year, and overall poor shooting and short stature, for a taller guy who's size fits better, has similar D albeit against larger opposition, and shoots ZERO from outside, but shoots a higher percentage from inside and passes better.  Simmons is better, but this package is fair I think.

Do yourself a favor and propose this same idea in a Sixers forum. I bet every single poster will consider it insulting. Other teams aren't stupid, neither do they have to accept our leftovers for their best players. If the Sixers were willing to dump Simmons for pennies on the dollar, they would have already traded him by now.

There continues to be a large disparity between what Philly believes they should be able to get for Simmons and what the rest of the league is willing to offer.  The only real offer that I have seen rumored is Brogdon and LeVert from Indy for Simmons.  Brogdon has since signed an extension so even this offer is no longer viable.  Everything else is Philly interested in this or that, such as Brown. 

I am not saying this is likely and it can't happen in any case until Jan 25, but I don't think Smart and Richardson is far off from the kinds of offers that Philly is getting and no doubt turning down.  Eventually, Philly is going to recalibrate their expectation.

[Neurotic Guy]

I would do Smart, Richardson, fernando OR Hernan to make the numbers work.  No picks either way.

Schroeder
Brown
Tatum
Simmons
Hortford

Bench of Pritchard, nesmith, langford, RW3

Deep bench Kanter, parker, GW, fernando OR Hernan

I don't think 6ers do this, but at this point this is all he is worth.

C's do this to trade Marcus "poor playmaking" this year, and overall poor shooting and short stature, for a taller guy who's size fits better, has similar D albeit against larger opposition, and shoots ZERO from outside, but shoots a higher percentage from inside and passes better.  Simmons is better, but this package is fair I think.

Do yourself a favor and propose this same idea in a Sixers forum. I bet every single poster will consider it insulting. Other teams aren't stupid, neither do they have to accept our leftovers for their best players. If the Sixers were willing to dump Simmons for pennies on the dollar, they would have already traded him by now.

There continues to be a large disparity between what Philly believes they should be able to get for Simmons and what the rest of the league is willing to offer.  The only real offer that I have seen rumored is Brogdon and LeVert from Indy for Simmons.  Brogdon has since signed an extension so even this offer is no longer viable.  Everything else is Philly interested in this or that, such as Brown. 

I am not saying this is likely and it can't happen in any case until Jan 25, but I don't think Smart and Richardson is far off from the kinds of offers that Philly is getting and no doubt turning down.  Eventually, Philly is going to recalibrate their expectation.

Was about to say something similar.  If C's are unwilling to offer star quality why is there an assumption that anyone else would.  C's should put a package on the table that they think is reasonable and let Philly compare that to whatever else they are being offered.   

If Sixers continue to have a solid season (off to a great start), they may very well be looking more to 'good fit' than perceived equivalent value for Simmons when all is said and done.

[nickagneta]

At this point, a healthy Philly without Simmons, is one of the best teams in the league. Trading him for Smart, Richardson, parts and picks in January means adding quality pieces to an already great team, getting picks and sending out someone contributing absolutely nothing to the team.

Now, the same logic applies to almost any trade proposal by every team so maybe a team puts together a better proposal than Smart, Richardson, etc. But I think at some point Philly has to look at this in this frame and decide, adding a good player or two to a team performing great is better than having that same great performing team and having Simmons on the roster doing nothing. At some point they are going to have to realize no one is giving up a Brown, Tatum, Beal, Lillard, type player and they are going to have to settle for much less.

[Jvalin]

I would do Smart, Richardson, fernando OR Hernan to make the numbers work.  No picks either way.

Schroeder
Brown
Tatum
Simmons
Hortford

Bench of Pritchard, nesmith, langford, RW3

Deep bench Kanter, parker, GW, fernando OR Hernan

I don't think 6ers do this, but at this point this is all he is worth.

C's do this to trade Marcus "poor playmaking" this year, and overall poor shooting and short stature, for a taller guy who's size fits better, has similar D albeit against larger opposition, and shoots ZERO from outside, but shoots a higher percentage from inside and passes better.  Simmons is better, but this package is fair I think.

Do yourself a favor and propose this same idea in a Sixers forum. I bet every single poster will consider it insulting. Other teams aren't stupid, neither do they have to accept our leftovers for their best players. If the Sixers were willing to dump Simmons for pennies on the dollar, they would have already traded him by now.

There continues to be a large disparity between what Philly believes they should be able to get for Simmons and what the rest of the league is willing to offer.  The only real offer that I have seen rumored is Brogdon and LeVert from Indy for Simmons.  Brogdon has since signed an extension so even this offer is no longer viable.  Everything else is Philly interested in this or that, such as Brown. 

I am not saying this is likely and it can't happen in any case until Jan 25, but I don't think Smart and Richardson is far off from the kinds of offers that Philly is getting and no doubt turning down.  Eventually, Philly is going to recalibrate their expectation.

Simmons is under contract for 4 seasons. If they cannot get close to fair value for him, they can just keep him. People say that Simmons' value goes down by the day. Nothing could be further from the truth. Trades are like the game of chicken. Whomever backs down first loses the trade. Teams have no incentive to make a fair offer for Simmons right now. As they run out of time close to the trade deadline, chances are Philly will get way better offers. Morey is an experienced GM. He ain't a pushover.

Imagine Brown were unhappy in Boston and had demanded a trade. Would you have been willing to trade him for another team's leftovers just to get rid of him?

[Vermont Green]

Imagine Brown were unhappy in Boston and had demanded a trade. Would you be willing to trade him for another team's leftovers just to get rid of him?

I don't think Smart (a starter) and Richardson (a core rotation player) are exactly leftovers but compare this more to what the Nets might trade Kyrie Irving for.  That is more of a comp.  Brown simply isn't a head case like Simmons so it is too hard of a hypothetical to respond to.  I think the Nets would be like Philly in that they may start with high hopes of getting a star back for Irving  but ultimately would settle and be fairly happy with Smart and Richardson.

I don't know how it benefits Philly to wait this out forever.  To me, a Kyrie for Simmons trade makes some sense.  Star/head case for star/head case but I don't see anyone giving up a non-head case star for Simmons.  Maybe the Lakers are ready to trade Westbrook.  Houston would probably trade Wall.  But no way Lillard, Brown, or anyone like that.

[Jvalin]

Imagine Brown were unhappy in Boston and had demanded a trade. Would you be willing to trade him for another team's leftovers just to get rid of him?

I don't think Smart (a starter) and Richardson (a core rotation player) are exactly leftovers but compare this more to what the Nets might trade Kyrie Irving for.  That is more of a comp.  Brown simply isn't a head case like Simmons so it is too hard of a hypothetical to respond to.  I think the Nets would be like Philly in that they may start with high hopes of getting a star back for Irving  but ultimately would settle and be fairly happy with Smart and Richardson.

I don't know how it benefits Philly to wait this out forever.  To me, a Kyrie for Simmons trade makes some sense.  Star/head case for star/head case but I don't see anyone giving up a non-head case star for Simmons.  Maybe the Lakers are ready to trade Westbrook.  Houston would probably trade Wall.  But no way Lillard, Brown, or anyone like that.

Feel free to believe whatever you want mate. If you think Philly would consider a package like this for Simmons, who am I to change your mind?

For the record, I believe it's highly unlikely we'll strike a deal for Simmons. At the very least, we'd have to considerably outbid the rest of his suitors in order for Philly to deal with us.

Agreed that Simmons for Kyrie straight up would make sense for both teams.

[michigan adam]

I would do Smart, Richardson, fernando OR Hernan to make the numbers work.  No picks either way.

Schroeder
Brown
Tatum
Simmons
Hortford

Bench of Pritchard, nesmith, langford, RW3

Deep bench Kanter, parker, GW, fernando OR Hernan

I don't think 6ers do this, but at this point this is all he is worth.

C's do this to trade Marcus "poor playmaking" this year, and overall poor shooting and short stature, for a taller guy who's size fits better, has similar D albeit against larger opposition, and shoots ZERO from outside, but shoots a higher percentage from inside and passes better.  Simmons is better, but this package is fair I think.

I just went deaf from the slam hang up on Philly s end

I said they wouldn't do this, just it was the most I would offer.  They want him to be worth more than this, he just isn't.    The longer this drags out, the less he is worth.  Them leaking they are interested in Jaylen IS equally as insulting unless they are offering embiid for jaylen plus something.  Simmons and smart are in a similar conversation.

[hpantazo]

Imagine Brown were unhappy in Boston and had demanded a trade. Would you be willing to trade him for another team's leftovers just to get rid of him?

I don't think Smart (a starter) and Richardson (a core rotation player) are exactly leftovers but compare this more to what the Nets might trade Kyrie Irving for.  That is more of a comp.  Brown simply isn't a head case like Simmons so it is too hard of a hypothetical to respond to.  I think the Nets would be like Philly in that they may start with high hopes of getting a star back for Irving  but ultimately would settle and be fairly happy with Smart and Richardson.

I don't know how it benefits Philly to wait this out forever.  To me, a Kyrie for Simmons trade makes some sense.  Star/head case for star/head case but I don't see anyone giving up a non-head case star for Simmons.  Maybe the Lakers are ready to trade Westbrook.  Houston would probably trade Wall.  But no way Lillard, Brown, or anyone like that.

I think a Westbrook for Simmons trade makes a ton of sense for the Lakers, and for the Sixers it's the best they can hope for at this stage.

[Ogaju]

Imagine Brown were unhappy in Boston and had demanded a trade. Would you be willing to trade him for another team's leftovers just to get rid of him?

I don't think Smart (a starter) and Richardson (a core rotation player) are exactly leftovers but compare this more to what the Nets might trade Kyrie Irving for.  That is more of a comp.  Brown simply isn't a head case like Simmons so it is too hard of a hypothetical to respond to.  I think the Nets would be like Philly in that they may start with high hopes of getting a star back for Irving  but ultimately would settle and be fairly happy with Smart and Richardson.

I don't know how it benefits Philly to wait this out forever.  To me, a Kyrie for Simmons trade makes some sense.  Star/head case for star/head case but I don't see anyone giving up a non-head case star for Simmons.  Maybe the Lakers are ready to trade Westbrook.  Houston would probably trade Wall.  But no way Lillard, Brown, or anyone like that.

I think a Westbrook for Simmons trade makes a ton of sense for the Lakers, and for the Sixers it's the best they can hope for at this stage.

That will really be a steal for Lakers, LeBron, and Klutch.