Celtics (0-0) at Knicks (0-0) Game #1 10/20/21

[liam]

Tough, tough loss. On to the next one!!

[Goldstar88]

Going under the screens on most of Fournier's 3pt shots in OT went a long way in losing the game for us.

yeah that was some mixed up defense that happened over and over again.
There was one where Tatum just didn't even try to fight through the screen and I was like, what are we doing?
Then it happened about 3 more times.  Back to the film study for our guys....a lot of film study.

Richardson's Defense would've helped a lot in this game.

Not his shooting, though. His skillset is very similar to Smart’s.

[liam]

Going under the screens on most of Fournier's 3pt shots in OT went a long way in losing the game for us.

yeah that was some mixed up defense that happened over and over again.
There was one where Tatum just didn't even try to fight through the screen and I was like, what are we doing?
Then it happened about 3 more times.  Back to the film study for our guys....a lot of film study.

Richardson's Defense would've helped a lot in this game.

Not his shooting, though. His skillset is very similar to Smart’s.

Smart had a good game. Richardson is taller with more reach. He would've filled up some minutes.

[gouki88]

https://twitter.com/billsimmons/status/1451014195806289920?s=21

4 FTA and 21 missed shots for Tatum. Go to the effing basket. This is why he’s not an All-NBA guy yet,

Bill Simmons

He's right

He sure is

agreed, except for the “yet” sentiment. as badly as we want it, tatum doesn’t have what it takes between the ears to be elite. his ceiling is very, very good with sporadic elite spurts but he’ll never be the guy to lead a franchise to championship(s).

and before anyone says it, this isn’t solely based on tonight. we’ve seen enough at this point to know who tatum is as a player, teammate, and leader.

Was waiting for the armchair psychology to make an appearance. Here it is!

I don't get how you can type things like that about a 23 year-old All-Star and All-NBA player that you've never met without cringing.

lol, armchair psychology? and what does meeting him have to do with it?  anyone who has objectively watched JT for the past four years realizes that his basketball IQ is lacking and it’s limiting his potential. his game has progressed physically but he isn’t maturing mentally via decision making and floor/game awareness and leadership.

he’s also making the same egregious mistakes he’s made for four years and he doesn’t posses the ability to adapt his game (especially when his shot isn’t falling). granted, tonight was a rare extreme example but JT demonstrated all the bad traits he’s refused to improve on since his rookie year. when his shot is falling, he’s elite, but when it isn’t (which is too often for an elite player) he’s an average player. he hasn’t improved in this regard in four years. he also checks out mentally for long stretches of a game when he’s not playing well. these are facts and not traits of an elite player.

feel free to bookmark this post and get back to me in a year, or two, or three. i guarantee JT will be the exact same player, but as an older vet, the word “potential” won’t be buoying his future prospects. i’ll gladly eat crow if i’m wrong, but unfortunately, i don’t think i am.

I will happily revisit this ludicrous post. Given he's improved every year I like the chances of him continuing to, and if he only tops out as a 27/7/4 guy on slightly above average efficiency then he's a perennial All-Star forward

[hpantazo]

We basically new this already, but this game reminded me that Kemba just doesn't contribute much to winning anymore. He was mediocre tonight, and when the Knicks needed their best 5 on the floor in OT he was on the bench.

[blink]

The most frustrating part of this night for me, is that even after a career night, Jaylen Brown missed an uncontested dunk that could've ended this game.

His legs were completely gone at that point.

Yeah, it's a miracle that he even made it that long in the first place coming off of Covid.

I get that, he still Missed a wide open uncontested shot at the rim that could’ve sealed the game.

lol...this is a funny take.  46 points, 9 reb, 6 assists, 3 steals....but yeah Jaylen lost the game for us with his one missed dunk.

That’s not my take at all. Just JB hitting that shot and the Celtics winning the game adds a whole other layer to his career night. I’m frustrated it didn’t happen for him or the Celtics

oh ok, but we lost by 4 so that one shot wouldn't have won us the game.  It was disappointing that we didn't pull it out I agree.
Jaylen is going to be fun to watch this year.

[hpantazo]

Going under the screens on most of Fournier's 3pt shots in OT went a long way in losing the game for us.

yeah that was some mixed up defense that happened over and over again.
There was one where Tatum just didn't even try to fight through the screen and I was like, what are we doing?
Then it happened about 3 more times.  Back to the film study for our guys....a lot of film study.

Richardson's Defense would've helped a lot in this game.

Not his shooting, though. His skillset is very similar to Smart’s.

Smart had a good game. Richardson is taller with more reach. He would've filled up some minutes.

Richardson would have helped for sure. At the very least he would have held the fort while Smart and Brown got some more rest.

[Celtics2021]

Jaylen was amazing, especially considering the circumstances.  Smart made some nice plays down the stretch, and Grant had an amazing 4th quarter, and probably the best game of his career.  I wish he’d gotten some minutes in overtime.

Tough loss, but the C’s had no business even getting to OT, so a lot of credit to that hustle at the end of the 4th.  Fun game, and I look forward to Friday!

[hpantazo]

As disappointing as Tatum was tonight, we all know he's going to be rolling in a week or two and everyone will forget about the first few games. He seems to start slow every year.

[tenn_smoothie]

Celtics shoot 57 three-pointers !!

Are you kidding me ?

[blink]

https://twitter.com/billsimmons/status/1451014195806289920?s=21

4 FTA and 21 missed shots for Tatum. Go to the effing basket. This is why he’s not an All-NBA guy yet,

Bill Simmons

He's right

He sure is

agreed, except for the “yet” sentiment. as badly as we want it, tatum doesn’t have what it takes between the ears to be elite. his ceiling is very, very good with sporadic elite spurts but he’ll never be the guy to lead a franchise to championship(s).

and before anyone says it, this isn’t solely based on tonight. we’ve seen enough at this point to know who tatum is as a player, teammate, and leader.

Was waiting for the armchair psychology to make an appearance. Here it is!

I don't get how you can type things like that about a 23 year-old All-Star and All-NBA player that you've never met without cringing.

lol, armchair psychology? and what does meeting him have to do with it?  anyone who has objectively watched JT for the past four years realizes that his basketball IQ is lacking and it’s limiting his potential. his game has progressed physically but he isn’t maturing mentally via decision making and floor/game awareness and leadership.

he’s also making the same egregious mistakes he’s made for four years and he doesn’t posses the ability to adapt his game (especially when his shot isn’t falling). granted, tonight was a rare extreme example but JT demonstrated all the bad traits he’s refused to improve on since his rookie year. when his shot is falling, he’s elite, but when it isn’t (which is too often for an elite player) he’s an average player. he hasn’t improved in this regard in four years. he also checks out mentally for long stretches of a game when he’s not playing well. these are facts and not traits of an elite player.

feel free to bookmark this post and get back to me in a year, or two, or three. i guarantee JT will be the exact same player, but as an older vet, the word “potential” won’t be buoying his future prospects. i’ll gladly eat crow if i’m wrong, but unfortunately, i don’t think i am.

I will happily revisit this ludicrous post. Given he's improved every year I like the chances of him continuing to, and if he only tops out as a 27/7/4 guy on slightly above average efficiency then he's a perennial All-Star forward

not to poke my way in here, but I think Mahk may feel 'elite' = top 5 player, not all star level.

I feel that you can hold both of these thoughts at the same time and not be a complete fool
1.  Tatum is a great player, only 23, obviously getting better all the time, all star level
2.  Tatum does not seem to adjust well during games when his shooting is off.  Tonight he totally should have gotten to the rim more instead of chucking 15 threes.  I tend to agree with Mahk in that Tatum won't be 'elite'=ie top 5 level of player until he can accept those nights where his shot just isn't going down, and shift gears and get to the rim more, or be a big decoy and find the open man more.  Like tonight, we had a guy completely going off all night and there were a lot opportunities for Tatum to dish to an open brown and an open Timelord, but for whatever reason we got more 3 point attempts.

I think both #1 and #2 can both be true.  It is also true that Tatum might get a lot better at #2 during this year and next year.

[tenn_smoothie]

https://twitter.com/billsimmons/status/1451014195806289920?s=21

4 FTA and 21 missed shots for Tatum. Go to the effing basket. This is why he’s not an All-NBA guy yet,

Bill Simmons

He's right

He sure is

agreed, except for the “yet” sentiment. as badly as we want it, tatum doesn’t have what it takes between the ears to be elite. his ceiling is very, very good with sporadic elite spurts but he’ll never be the guy to lead a franchise to championship(s).

and before anyone says it, this isn’t solely based on tonight. we’ve seen enough at this point to know who tatum is as a player, teammate, and leader.

Was waiting for the armchair psychology to make an appearance. Here it is!

I don't get how you can type things like that about a 23 year-old All-Star and All-NBA player that you've never met without cringing.

lol, armchair psychology? and what does meeting him have to do with it?  anyone who has objectively watched JT for the past four years realizes that his basketball IQ is lacking and it’s limiting his potential. his game has progressed physically but he isn’t maturing mentally via decision making and floor/game awareness and leadership.

he’s also making the same egregious mistakes he’s made for four years and he doesn’t posses the ability to adapt his game (especially when his shot isn’t falling). granted, tonight was a rare extreme example but JT demonstrated all the bad traits he’s refused to improve on since his rookie year. when his shot is falling, he’s elite, but when it isn’t (which is too often for an elite player) he’s an average player. he hasn’t improved in this regard in four years. he also checks out mentally for long stretches of a game when he’s not playing well. these are facts and not traits of an elite player.

feel free to bookmark this post and get back to me in a year, or two, or three. i guarantee JT will be the exact same player, but as an older vet, the word “potential” won’t be buoying his future prospects. i’ll gladly eat crow if i’m wrong, but unfortunately, i don’t think i am.

I will happily revisit this ludicrous post. Given he's improved every year I like the chances of him continuing to, and if he only tops out as a 27/7/4 guy on slightly above average efficiency then he's a perennial All-Star forward

I see this entire group as having a low basketball IQ - they have been that way together for a few years now.
They just make dumb plays again and again that lose games.

Hoping Coach Ime can make a difference - we will see.
But the team got a nice lead by moving the ball and by not standing in the corners watching.
They scored because they were taking open shots within the rhythm of the offense.

So ...... do they keep up the good offensive flow ?

No, they do not. They just remember the shots going in and forget what got them the lead.
They go back to no-pass or one-pass offense and start jacking 3's with abandon. 57 of them, to be exact.

[gouki88]

Jaylen was amazing, especially considering the circumstances.  Smart made some nice plays down the stretch, and Grant had an amazing 4th quarter, and probably the best game of his career.  I wish he’d gotten some minutes in overtime.

Tough loss, but the C’s had no business even getting to OT, so a lot of credit to that hustle at the end of the 4th.  Fun game, and I look forward to Friday!

It's unpopular to think, but I reckon Grant will be a tidy player this season. I was really happy when we drafted him and thought his rookie season was great. Obviously, last season was disappointing, but he looks to be on the right track.

[Goldstar88]

Going under the screens on most of Fournier's 3pt shots in OT went a long way in losing the game for us.

yeah that was some mixed up defense that happened over and over again.
There was one where Tatum just didn't even try to fight through the screen and I was like, what are we doing?
Then it happened about 3 more times.  Back to the film study for our guys....a lot of film study.

Richardson's Defense would've helped a lot in this game.

Not his shooting, though. His skillset is very similar to Smart’s.

Smart had a good game. Richardson is taller with more reach. He would've filled up some minutes.

Richardson would have helped for sure. At the very least he would have held the fort while Smart and Brown got some more rest.

I’m not sure he’s a better option than Nesmith or Langford and that’s whose minutes he would have been taking.

[Goldstar88]

Jaylen was amazing, especially considering the circumstances.  Smart made some nice plays down the stretch, and Grant had an amazing 4th quarter, and probably the best game of his career.  I wish he’d gotten some minutes in overtime.

Tough loss, but the C’s had no business even getting to OT, so a lot of credit to that hustle at the end of the 4th.  Fun game, and I look forward to Friday!

It's unpopular to think, but I reckon Grant will be a tidy player this season. I was really happy when we drafted him and thought his rookie season was great. Obviously, last season was disappointing, but he looks to be on the right track.

If Grant can shoot the ball consistently, like he did tonight, he should be getting some minutes off the bench. If he’s not, he shouldn’t be since his defense is subpar. Grant is  too short to cover centers and too slow to cover power forwards. Think Randle scored 30 of his 35 on Grant Williams. He was Kemba bad on defense tonight.