NBA Season 2021-22

[footey]

Part of the reason Utah is considering blowing things up is because Donovan Mitchell has been non-committal about staying in Utah. Rumours of wanting to play in a bigger media market. Sick / tired of being overlooked by national media and fans despite his accomplishments.

If they trade Gobert, Utah may not be looking for someone to pair with Mitchell but more towards a longer term rebuild. More picks and flexibility rather than a star.

And if Gobert does go, I'd expect Mitchell to follow him out the door soon after. Either right away in a full rebuild or in 12-18 months time when Utah realizes how hard it is for them to win without Gobert and Mitchell starts to get angsty about wanting to play for a team with title hopes.

If I am Utah, I would not be betting on a long term marriage with Donovan Mitchell in post-Gobert trade world.

And if that is the case, they should just trade Mitchell.  He has way more value than Gobert and they could really get some nice players for him. 

This one seemingly makes sense for both teams

Mitchell for Barrett, Toppin, Quickley, Walker (for salary), 11, 2024 1st

I can see the appeal of that for both the Knicks and Jazz.

Danny won't trade Mitchell.  He'll trade Rudy. 

[seancally]

Ok so let me get this straight. Pelicans — a team that suddenly looks decent, with Ingram and McCollum as two very good players and a nice supporting cast — is tied with Phoenix 1-1. Booker is now out for a few weeks, a huge loss for that team.

Zion is doing 360 dunks on Instagram but still can’t won’t play?

[SHAQATTACK]

Ok so let me get this straight. Pelicans — a team that suddenly looks decent, with Ingram and McCollum as two very good players and a nice supporting cast — is tied with Phoenix 1-1. Booker is now out for a few weeks, a huge loss for that team.

Zion is doing 360 dunks on Instagram but still can’t won’t play?

He wants to be Laker , waiting for Lebron to retire

[Moranis]

Part of the reason Utah is considering blowing things up is because Donovan Mitchell has been non-committal about staying in Utah. Rumours of wanting to play in a bigger media market. Sick / tired of being overlooked by national media and fans despite his accomplishments.

If they trade Gobert, Utah may not be looking for someone to pair with Mitchell but more towards a longer term rebuild. More picks and flexibility rather than a star.

And if Gobert does go, I'd expect Mitchell to follow him out the door soon after. Either right away in a full rebuild or in 12-18 months time when Utah realizes how hard it is for them to win without Gobert and Mitchell starts to get angsty about wanting to play for a team with title hopes.

If I am Utah, I would not be betting on a long term marriage with Donovan Mitchell in post-Gobert trade world.

And if that is the case, they should just trade Mitchell.  He has way more value than Gobert and they could really get some nice players for him. 

This one seemingly makes sense for both teams

Mitchell for Barrett, Toppin, Quickley, Walker (for salary), 11, 2024 1st

I can see the appeal of that for both the Knicks and Jazz.

I can't see Ainge doing that deal.  None of those players are all stars and the 11 is not in Ainge's wheelhouse.  If Mitchell is being moved its for a player like Cade Cunningham/Scottie Barnes and picks.  or a superstar for superstar like Mitchell for Jaylen Brown, Miles Bridges, Shai, Edwards, KAT, Ball, Bam etc.  I'm not saying any of the teams would do those deals I just think that's what you ask for for Mitchell.  DM is a top 18 - 22 player in the league.  If Ainge was going to blow it up he could do a deal like Goebert for Ayton/Kat then Mitchell for Bridges and Rozier.  Of course I didn't trade machine it but that's the kind of blow up for current stars.  If he's blowing it up for picks he needs a haul of picks with at least 1 top 3 for Mitchell.

Mitchell isn't going to get your a Cunningham or Barnes.  And there is no way Gobert has the value to get Ayton or Towns. 

Barrett was the 3rd pick in the 2019 draft.  He is 21 years old and just averaged 20 ppg along with 6 rebounds and 3 assists.  Toppin is older than Barrett but was the 8th pick in the 2020 draft and showed definite improvement from his 1st to 2nd year.  Quickley was the 25th pick in 2020 and has definitely shown the talent to be at worst a rotation level player.  Plus you add in the 11th pick and a future 1st.  That isn't bad value at all depending on how you view Barrett's potential. 

[footey]

Part of the reason Utah is considering blowing things up is because Donovan Mitchell has been non-committal about staying in Utah. Rumours of wanting to play in a bigger media market. Sick / tired of being overlooked by national media and fans despite his accomplishments.

If they trade Gobert, Utah may not be looking for someone to pair with Mitchell but more towards a longer term rebuild. More picks and flexibility rather than a star.

And if Gobert does go, I'd expect Mitchell to follow him out the door soon after. Either right away in a full rebuild or in 12-18 months time when Utah realizes how hard it is for them to win without Gobert and Mitchell starts to get angsty about wanting to play for a team with title hopes.

If I am Utah, I would not be betting on a long term marriage with Donovan Mitchell in post-Gobert trade world.

And if that is the case, they should just trade Mitchell.  He has way more value than Gobert and they could really get some nice players for him. 

This one seemingly makes sense for both teams

Mitchell for Barrett, Toppin, Quickley, Walker (for salary), 11, 2024 1st

I can see the appeal of that for both the Knicks and Jazz.

I can't see Ainge doing that deal.  None of those players are all stars and the 11 is not in Ainge's wheelhouse.  If Mitchell is being moved its for a player like Cade Cunningham/Scottie Barnes and picks.  or a superstar for superstar like Mitchell for Jaylen Brown, Miles Bridges, Shai, Edwards, KAT, Ball, Bam etc.  I'm not saying any of the teams would do those deals I just think that's what you ask for for Mitchell.  DM is a top 18 - 22 player in the league.  If Ainge was going to blow it up he could do a deal like Goebert for Ayton/Kat then Mitchell for Bridges and Rozier.  Of course I didn't trade machine it but that's the kind of blow up for current stars.  If he's blowing it up for picks he needs a haul of picks with at least 1 top 3 for Mitchell.

Mitchell isn't going to get your a Cunningham or Barnes.  And there is no way Gobert has the value to get Ayton or Towns. 

Barrett was the 3rd pick in the 2019 draft.  He is 21 years old and just averaged 20 ppg along with 6 rebounds and 3 assists.  Toppin is older than Barrett but was the 8th pick in the 2020 draft and showed definite improvement from his 1st to 2nd year.  Quickley was the 25th pick in 2020 and has definitely shown the talent to be at worst a rotation level player.  Plus you add in the 11th pick and a future 1st.  That isn't bad value at all depending on how you view Barrett's potential.

Gobert and a pick or two would get you Towns.  Towns' stock goes down daily.  Frankly doubt Danny would want Towns anyway. 

[Moranis]

Part of the reason Utah is considering blowing things up is because Donovan Mitchell has been non-committal about staying in Utah. Rumours of wanting to play in a bigger media market. Sick / tired of being overlooked by national media and fans despite his accomplishments.

If they trade Gobert, Utah may not be looking for someone to pair with Mitchell but more towards a longer term rebuild. More picks and flexibility rather than a star.

And if Gobert does go, I'd expect Mitchell to follow him out the door soon after. Either right away in a full rebuild or in 12-18 months time when Utah realizes how hard it is for them to win without Gobert and Mitchell starts to get angsty about wanting to play for a team with title hopes.

If I am Utah, I would not be betting on a long term marriage with Donovan Mitchell in post-Gobert trade world.

And if that is the case, they should just trade Mitchell.  He has way more value than Gobert and they could really get some nice players for him. 

This one seemingly makes sense for both teams

Mitchell for Barrett, Toppin, Quickley, Walker (for salary), 11, 2024 1st

I can see the appeal of that for both the Knicks and Jazz.

I can't see Ainge doing that deal.  None of those players are all stars and the 11 is not in Ainge's wheelhouse.  If Mitchell is being moved its for a player like Cade Cunningham/Scottie Barnes and picks.  or a superstar for superstar like Mitchell for Jaylen Brown, Miles Bridges, Shai, Edwards, KAT, Ball, Bam etc.  I'm not saying any of the teams would do those deals I just think that's what you ask for for Mitchell.  DM is a top 18 - 22 player in the league.  If Ainge was going to blow it up he could do a deal like Goebert for Ayton/Kat then Mitchell for Bridges and Rozier.  Of course I didn't trade machine it but that's the kind of blow up for current stars.  If he's blowing it up for picks he needs a haul of picks with at least 1 top 3 for Mitchell.

Mitchell isn't going to get your a Cunningham or Barnes.  And there is no way Gobert has the value to get Ayton or Towns. 

Barrett was the 3rd pick in the 2019 draft.  He is 21 years old and just averaged 20 ppg along with 6 rebounds and 3 assists.  Toppin is older than Barrett but was the 8th pick in the 2020 draft and showed definite improvement from his 1st to 2nd year.  Quickley was the 25th pick in 2020 and has definitely shown the talent to be at worst a rotation level player.  Plus you add in the 11th pick and a future 1st.  That isn't bad value at all depending on how you view Barrett's potential.

Gobert and a pick or two would get you Towns.  Towns' stock goes down daily.  Frankly doubt Danny would want Towns anyway.

Ah yes because Gobert's isn't going down.  Gobert is a significantly worse player than Town with a big bad contract.  He isn't landing Towns even if you attach a couple of late 1st's to him. 

Towns isn't a #1, that is apparent, but he is still an incredibly talented offensive player that would be in a 2/3 role on a team.  Minnesota is working through that with Edwards not quite ready to be the 1, but he will be soon.  The Wolves become Edwards team and Towns is a nice complimentary piece.

[tazzmaniac]

Part of the reason Utah is considering blowing things up is because Donovan Mitchell has been non-committal about staying in Utah. Rumours of wanting to play in a bigger media market. Sick / tired of being overlooked by national media and fans despite his accomplishments.

If they trade Gobert, Utah may not be looking for someone to pair with Mitchell but more towards a longer term rebuild. More picks and flexibility rather than a star.

And if Gobert does go, I'd expect Mitchell to follow him out the door soon after. Either right away in a full rebuild or in 12-18 months time when Utah realizes how hard it is for them to win without Gobert and Mitchell starts to get angsty about wanting to play for a team with title hopes.

If I am Utah, I would not be betting on a long term marriage with Donovan Mitchell in post-Gobert trade world.

And if that is the case, they should just trade Mitchell.  He has way more value than Gobert and they could really get some nice players for him. 

This one seemingly makes sense for both teams

Mitchell for Barrett, Toppin, Quickley, Walker (for salary), 11, 2024 1st

I can see the appeal of that for both the Knicks and Jazz.

I can't see Ainge doing that deal.  None of those players are all stars and the 11 is not in Ainge's wheelhouse.  If Mitchell is being moved its for a player like Cade Cunningham/Scottie Barnes and picks.  or a superstar for superstar like Mitchell for Jaylen Brown, Miles Bridges, Shai, Edwards, KAT, Ball, Bam etc.  I'm not saying any of the teams would do those deals I just think that's what you ask for for Mitchell.  DM is a top 18 - 22 player in the league.  If Ainge was going to blow it up he could do a deal like Goebert for Ayton/Kat then Mitchell for Bridges and Rozier.  Of course I didn't trade machine it but that's the kind of blow up for current stars.  If he's blowing it up for picks he needs a haul of picks with at least 1 top 3 for Mitchell.

Mitchell isn't going to get your a Cunningham or Barnes.  And there is no way Gobert has the value to get Ayton or Towns. 

Barrett was the 3rd pick in the 2019 draft.  He is 21 years old and just averaged 20 ppg along with 6 rebounds and 3 assists.  Toppin is older than Barrett but was the 8th pick in the 2020 draft and showed definite improvement from his 1st to 2nd year.  Quickley was the 25th pick in 2020 and has definitely shown the talent to be at worst a rotation level player.  Plus you add in the 11th pick and a future 1st.  That isn't bad value at all depending on how you view Barrett's potential.

Gobert and a pick or two would get you Towns.  Towns' stock goes down daily.  Frankly doubt Danny would want Towns anyway.

Ah yes because Gobert's isn't going down.  Gobert is a significantly worse player than Town with a big bad contract.  He isn't landing Towns even if you attach a couple of late 1st's to him. 

Towns isn't a #1, that is apparent, but he is still an incredibly talented offensive player that would be in a 2/3 role on a team.  Minnesota is working through that with Edwards not quite ready to be the 1, but he will be soon.  The Wolves become Edwards team and Towns is a nice complimentary piece.

Wasn't too long ago that most folks on here would have chosen Towns over Embiid.  Hard to measure in draft prospects but a player's drive to excel is pretty much their most important trait. 
At the moment, Towns seems satisfied just being a star in the league with all the benefits that entails. 

[SDceltGuy]

Wasn't too long ago that most folks on here would have chosen Towns over Embiid.  Hard to measure in draft prospects but a player's drive to excel is pretty much their most important trait. 
At the moment, Towns seems satisfied just being a star in the league with all the benefits that entails.

Second most important trait.  #1 is availablity - which was Embiids biggest problem. 

[hpantazo]

Looks like Embiid has a right thumb injury, may get an MRI to check for torn ligaments. He still plans to play, but I imagine it would have to affect his shooting and catching passes at the very least.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33787286/sources-joel-embiid-experiencing-pain-thumb-expects-play-game-4

[celticsclay]

Part of the reason Utah is considering blowing things up is because Donovan Mitchell has been non-committal about staying in Utah. Rumours of wanting to play in a bigger media market. Sick / tired of being overlooked by national media and fans despite his accomplishments.

If they trade Gobert, Utah may not be looking for someone to pair with Mitchell but more towards a longer term rebuild. More picks and flexibility rather than a star.

And if Gobert does go, I'd expect Mitchell to follow him out the door soon after. Either right away in a full rebuild or in 12-18 months time when Utah realizes how hard it is for them to win without Gobert and Mitchell starts to get angsty about wanting to play for a team with title hopes.

If I am Utah, I would not be betting on a long term marriage with Donovan Mitchell in post-Gobert trade world.

And if that is the case, they should just trade Mitchell.  He has way more value than Gobert and they could really get some nice players for him. 

This one seemingly makes sense for both teams

Mitchell for Barrett, Toppin, Quickley, Walker (for salary), 11, 2024 1st

I can see the appeal of that for both the Knicks and Jazz.

I can't see Ainge doing that deal.  None of those players are all stars and the 11 is not in Ainge's wheelhouse.  If Mitchell is being moved its for a player like Cade Cunningham/Scottie Barnes and picks.  or a superstar for superstar like Mitchell for Jaylen Brown, Miles Bridges, Shai, Edwards, KAT, Ball, Bam etc.  I'm not saying any of the teams would do those deals I just think that's what you ask for for Mitchell.  DM is a top 18 - 22 player in the league.  If Ainge was going to blow it up he could do a deal like Goebert for Ayton/Kat then Mitchell for Bridges and Rozier.  Of course I didn't trade machine it but that's the kind of blow up for current stars.  If he's blowing it up for picks he needs a haul of picks with at least 1 top 3 for Mitchell.

Mitchell isn't going to get your a Cunningham or Barnes.  And there is no way Gobert has the value to get Ayton or Towns. 

Barrett was the 3rd pick in the 2019 draft.  He is 21 years old and just averaged 20 ppg along with 6 rebounds and 3 assists.  Toppin is older than Barrett but was the 8th pick in the 2020 draft and showed definite improvement from his 1st to 2nd year.  Quickley was the 25th pick in 2020 and has definitely shown the talent to be at worst a rotation level player.  Plus you add in the 11th pick and a future 1st.  That isn't bad value at all depending on how you view Barrett's potential.

Gobert and a pick or two would get you Towns.  Towns' stock goes down daily.  Frankly doubt Danny would want Towns anyway.

Ah yes because Gobert's isn't going down.  Gobert is a significantly worse player than Town with a big bad contract.  He isn't landing Towns even if you attach a couple of late 1st's to him. 

Towns isn't a #1, that is apparent, but he is still an incredibly talented offensive player that would be in a 2/3 role on a team.  Minnesota is working through that with Edwards not quite ready to be the 1, but he will be soon.  The Wolves become Edwards team and Towns is a nice complimentary piece.

Wasn't too long ago that most folks on here would have chosen Towns over Embiid.  Hard to measure in draft prospects but a player's drive to excel is pretty much their most important trait. 
At the moment, Towns seems satisfied just being a star in the league with all the benefits that entails.

What in the world are you talking about? I haven’t seen anyone even compare the two in years….even last year Embid was second team all nba and towns didn’t even make third. In fact i think towns made all nba third once in 2018. I don’t think even twolves fans have argued this in 3-4 years. Your better than this kind of trump arguing style post tazz.

[Phantom255x]

Looks like Embiid has a right thumb injury, may get an MRI to check for torn ligaments. He still plans to play, but I imagine it would have to affect his shooting and catching passes at the very least.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33787286/sources-joel-embiid-experiencing-pain-thumb-expects-play-game-4

Look at that. Embiid might have torn ligaments in his thumb but will still continue playing. Timelord is coming back from a meniscus injury a week earlier than expected.

Then there's Ben Simmons who has missed the past year due to a fragile ego and being emotionally soft

[Phantom255x]

Bucks-Bulls tonight will be fun to watch. If the Bulls win, then that'd really make this a spicy series. No Middleton the rest of the series, and if the Bucks fall behind 2-1 then they might actually be in some trouble.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Hawks-Heat game delayed like 40 minutes due to a suspicious package

[gouki88]

Would either/both teams do the following?

Utah receives: Miles Bridges, Terry Rozier

Charlotte receives: Donovan Mitchell, Juancho Hernangomez

Picks can be thrown in as necessary, but that would be the basic architecture.

I just don't know what trade opportunities there are for Gobert that make sense for Utah.

[Who]

The type of rumoured trade package for Gobert I saw in relation to Toronto was something like OG Anunoby, a pick and whatever cap filler is needed.

I believe that is closer to his value. At $40mil per year & as a low skilled offensive big man, it's going to be hard to get good value for him. A good starter like OG and a first looks like good value to me in this market.

That is also part of the reason why I wouldn't trade Gobert if I were Utah ... the other being, I believe in Gobert & Mitchell and would continue trying to build around them. I wouldn't trade either one of them.