Josh Richardson has agreed to a one-year extension

[BudweiserCeltic]

Seeing all of these moves, it's too bad that Schroder is almost assuredly a goner (unless we can stay under the hard cap and he re-signs for the full MLE). The CBA is a funny thing - we can trade for a player making ~$17M while sending back no salary, but we are unable to apply that amount to a player on our very own team. I understand why the TPE was created, but, man this seems like an example where it could benefit the team and player.

As for Richardson, not a bad move to lock him up for another year. Good, young, MLE-level contract and he should play hard on both ends. If he really works out, it could make moving Smart a bit easier.

Schröder has always been most likely a goner.  He was signing for one year to rehab his value and then get a big deal from a team with cap space.  The C’s weren’t ever likely to be a team to give him such a deal, because their cap space was either going to be for a max player or wasn’t going to be there.

That said, Schröder might last a little longer than you’d expect (and than he’d like).  There are only 6 teams with meaningful cap space next year — Orlando, OKC, Detroit, Memphis, San Antonio, and New Orleans.  Of those, only New Orleans might be in the market for a starting PG (and they will have Devonte Graham and a 3rd-year Kira Lewis Jr, so it’s possible they won’t be).  After that, it’s just teams with the MLE, which the C’s will also have.  The C’s will also have his non-Bird rights, which would permit them to offer a contract greater than the taxpayer MLE (but not the non-taxpayer MLE).  It’s not crazy to think that Schröder will need to let play it out for another season, and in that case the Celtics could be a viable option if it works out this year.

Or sign-and-trade him into someone else's TPE... assuming there's even that available somewhere.

More than what we can offer, the important part for Schroder remaining in Boston will be what happens with Williams and Langford, as there's about $10M between them and their options are up this October 31 for next season. We're about $6M give or take if not mistaken under the projected Apron with our guaranteed contracts + the rookie scale team options we need to decide this year + the team options of 2nd rounders (next Summer I think).

And above all that, we have the $17M Fournier TPE (which lasts until August or July depending if they adjust the dates because of free-agency start date) and some smaller TPEs (I think we have a $5M one in particular, from Theis) that we "need" to use this season.  Not sure if we still have Thompson's $9.7M one.

So I think we'll see quite a bit of movement yet either this season or next Summer because we're in tax land now, and I think some potentially hard (and no so hard) decisions will need to be made with the rookie scale contract players.

All this to say, even the full MLE will be hard for us to offer Schroder, but for now those are the biggest variables I see... or maybe some big trade happens.

[vjcsmoke]

Nesmith is a stat stuffer when he is on his game.  I haven't seen that kind of defense out of a young Celtic in a long time.  He has the ability to play free safety and pick off passes and he is always hustling.  Long term I like Nesmith game for the Celtics better than Romeo.  I feel he has more upside.

So does this mean Romeo is gone?  I don't think so, at least not yet.  The Celtics will give him some run to increase his value.  If there is a trade to be made at the deadline to improve the team, I have no doubt that Brad will pull the trigger.  Stevens has been very decisive in his first few months in the Celtics front office.  So if he can make a bigger deal later, I trust him to do it even if it costs us some youngsters and/or draft picks.

Don't forget it's not a foregone conclusion that we keep Richardson, he might be part of a larger trade deal later too.  One extra year is not a huge turnoff for a team looking to get involved in a 3-way trade.

[Celtics2021]

Brad has signed three players to an extension in August.  I’m trying to figure out how long the period was for Danny’s last three extensions — Tatum, Brown, and then back to KG in 2012?  Am I missing anyone in between?

[BoulderMike]

Looking ahead to next year, I think this signing, coming so close in the heals of the Fournier TPE acquisition, indicates the Celtics do not plan to have Horford here on his current deal next year.  That was always the most likely thing, but now keeping him would likely preclude using the TPE they just gave up a second for, given the salaries committed to Tatum, Brown, Smart, Williams, and now Richardson.  I’m still hopeful that he’ll be stretched and resign to a small deal, so we get value for him while he’s on the books.

Also, I’ve given up thoughts of a Beal trade.  I know technically this makes Richardson more tradeable next summer, but I think re-ups in Washington because he likes it there, and doesn’t want to hop cities to ring chase (which I totally respect.)

You can't sign a player you're stretching, can you?

I believe you can.  Stretching a player is something that happens automatically if you release a player before September 1st in his last season.  You can sign a player you waived.  He becomes a free agent, able to sign with whomever.  Certainly the Celtics would risk losing him to another team who offers him more.  What you can't do is trade a player and then sign him again if the other team waives him.

1. you cannot sign a player you have waived and stretched (until the stretch period has concluded)
2.  stretching does not happen automatically
3. you can't renegotiate a contact (unless there is an opt out that has been exercised)

we either pay Al his full salary, trade him, or buy him out at $14 m (or whatever his number is).  there are no other options

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/cba-explained-the-stretch-provision/

[gouki88]

Brad has signed three players to an extension in August.  I’m trying to figure out how long the period was for Danny’s last three extensions — Tatum, Brown, and then back to KG in 2012?  Am I missing anyone in between?

Smart?

[Celtics2021]

Brad has signed three players to an extension in August.  I’m trying to figure out how long the period was for Danny’s last three extensions — Tatum, Brown, and then back to KG in 2012?  Am I missing anyone in between?

Smart?

No, Smart was resigned while he was a restricted free agent, as was Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder.

[gouki88]

Brad has signed three players to an extension in August.  I’m trying to figure out how long the period was for Danny’s last three extensions — Tatum, Brown, and then back to KG in 2012?  Am I missing anyone in between?

Smart?

No, Smart was resigned while he was a restricted free agent, as was Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder.

Funny, I totally could not remember. I guess it has been the first three since KG 

[Celtics2021]

Looking ahead to next year, I think this signing, coming so close in the heals of the Fournier TPE acquisition, indicates the Celtics do not plan to have Horford here on his current deal next year.  That was always the most likely thing, but now keeping him would likely preclude using the TPE they just gave up a second for, given the salaries committed to Tatum, Brown, Smart, Williams, and now Richardson.  I’m still hopeful that he’ll be stretched and resign to a small deal, so we get value for him while he’s on the books.

Also, I’ve given up thoughts of a Beal trade.  I know technically this makes Richardson more tradeable next summer, but I think re-ups in Washington because he likes it there, and doesn’t want to hop cities to ring chase (which I totally respect.)

You can't sign a player you're stretching, can you?

I believe you can.  Stretching a player is something that happens automatically if you release a player before September 1st in his last season.  You can sign a player you waived.  He becomes a free agent, able to sign with whomever.  Certainly the Celtics would risk losing him to another team who offers him more.  What you can't do is trade a player and then sign him again if the other team waives him.

1. you cannot sign a player you have waived and stretched (until the stretch period has concluded)
2.  stretching does not happen automatically
3. you can't renegotiate a contact (unless there is an opt out that has been exercised)

we either pay Al his full salary, trade him, or buy him out at $14 m (or whatever his number is).  there are no other options

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/cba-explained-the-stretch-provision/

Thanks.  So it looks like the Celtics could waive Horford and re-sign him, but not if they use the stretch.

[bogg]

Schroder could resign with the MLE or with non-Bird rights.  It would not be surprising if that is the best offer he receives next summer, since so few teams will have meaningful cap room.

Minor point here, but in a scenario where for whatever reason Schroeder wanted to come back next year there's no sense in burning the TMLE on him, even if they were giving him the TMLE amount, because of his non-Bird rights. They can just use the non-Bird rights to give him that dollar amount while keeping the TMLE available for another player.

Not that it's going to really matter though, I don't see him taking a deal starting around $7 million (which is roughly what his non-Bird rights cap first-year salary at).

[Celtics2021]

Schroder could resign with the MLE or with non-Bird rights.  It would not be surprising if that is the best offer he receives next summer, since so few teams will have meaningful cap room.

Minor point here, but in a scenario where for whatever reason Schroeder wanted to come back next year there's no sense in burning the TMLE on him, even if they were giving him the TMLE amount, because of his non-Bird rights. They can just use the non-Bird rights to give him that dollar amount while keeping the TMLE available for another player.

Not that it's going to really matter though, I don't see him taking a deal starting around $7 million (which is roughly what his non-Bird rights cap first-year salary at).

Right -- that presumes the Celtics are going over the apron again, which I intentionally did not assume with my language.

[Surferdad]

Nesmith is a stat stuffer when he is on his game.  I haven't seen that kind of defense out of a young Celtic in a long time. He has the ability to play free safety and pick off passes and he is always hustling.  Long term I like Nesmith game for the Celtics better than Romeo.  I feel he has more upside.

So does this mean Romeo is gone?  I don't think so, at least not yet.  The Celtics will give him some run to increase his value.  If there is a trade to be made at the deadline to improve the team, I have no doubt that Brad will pull the trigger.  Stevens has been very decisive in his first few months in the Celtics front office.  So if he can make a bigger deal later, I trust him to do it even if it costs us some youngsters and/or draft picks.

Don't forget it's not a foregone conclusion that we keep Richardson, he might be part of a larger trade deal later too.  One extra year is not a huge turnoff for a team looking to get involved in a 3-way trade.

You mean that kind of BAD defense?  Romeo is a better defender.  I lost your point here.

[slamtheking]

Looking ahead to next year, I think this signing, coming so close in the heals of the Fournier TPE acquisition, indicates the Celtics do not plan to have Horford here on his current deal next year.  That was always the most likely thing, but now keeping him would likely preclude using the TPE they just gave up a second for, given the salaries committed to Tatum, Brown, Smart, Williams, and now Richardson.  I’m still hopeful that he’ll be stretched and resign to a small deal, so we get value for him while he’s on the books.

Also, I’ve given up thoughts of a Beal trade.  I know technically this makes Richardson more tradeable next summer, but I think re-ups in Washington because he likes it there, and doesn’t want to hop cities to ring chase (which I totally respect.)

You can't sign a player you're stretching, can you?

I believe you can.  Stretching a player is something that happens automatically if you release a player before September 1st in his last season.  You can sign a player you waived.  He becomes a free agent, able to sign with whomever.  Certainly the Celtics would risk losing him to another team who offers him more.  What you can't do is trade a player and then sign him again if the other team waives him.

1. you cannot sign a player you have waived and stretched (until the stretch period has concluded)
2.  stretching does not happen automatically
3. you can't renegotiate a contact (unless there is an opt out that has been exercised)

we either pay Al his full salary, trade him, or buy him out at $14 m (or whatever his number is).  there are no other options

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/cba-explained-the-stretch-provision/

Thanks.  So it looks like the Celtics could waive Horford and re-sign him, but not if they use the stretch.

won't happen.  they either trade him to a team that would release him (probably have to send assets like cash and possibly a pick) or they keep him for the season.  considering the contracts they just signed other players to, they're not going to be players in free agency next year so getting rid of Al is unlikely unless he shows he's complete toast this season.

[Celtics4ever]

Romeo is a better defender.

When he is not hurt, which is not often

[bogg]

Schroder could resign with the MLE or with non-Bird rights.  It would not be surprising if that is the best offer he receives next summer, since so few teams will have meaningful cap room.

Minor point here, but in a scenario where for whatever reason Schroeder wanted to come back next year there's no sense in burning the TMLE on him, even if they were giving him the TMLE amount, because of his non-Bird rights. They can just use the non-Bird rights to give him that dollar amount while keeping the TMLE available for another player.

Not that it's going to really matter though, I don't see him taking a deal starting around $7 million (which is roughly what his non-Bird rights cap first-year salary at).

Right -- that presumes the Celtics are going over the apron again, which I intentionally did not assume with my language.

Ah, fair enough. With the recent extensions that Boston handed out I've kind of ruled out the hard cap being an option, but it is technically possible if they make moves.