Timelord signs 4 year $54M extension

[Atzar]

Wonder if there are terms in the contract regarding injuries or number of games played.  Love the kid's game.  If Williams can stay on the court, then I really like this deal.  Big 'if' though. 

[Csfan1984]

Don't like the deal but after Smart extension and no Markkenan deal makes sense. Would have much rather had a per of 11 million or a front loaded deal and then it would feel good. Given the guys history it's a overpay.

[Kuberski33]

I'm surprised that they were able to agree on the number. $13.5 million per year would suck if he has a lot of injuries, but it would probably cost (only) one first rounder to dump it after a year or two. It also has the potential to be an absolute steal in 2 or 3 years' time

I'm curious whether Williams received an option to opt out in 2 or 3 years.

[tonydelk]

Meh. In all honesty, I was hoping he'd be part of a blockbuster trade for Beal/Siakam/Simmons. It will be difficult to trade him now cause of the Base Year Compensation rule. Not sure whether he'll be eligible for trade at the deadline. The rules have changed due to the shortened season. Anyway, hopefully he stays healthy.

I'm intrigued to see how Udoka plans to use him next season. Brad was using him in a drop scheme on defense. Problem is, Tatum, Brown and Smart are at their best in a switch-heavy defensive scheme.

Our 2022 cap space has suddenly vanished. Not necessarily a bad thing. Just saying.

With the large TPE's I believe the C's can still trade for a star using a TPE and their expirings and keep TL and Smart if they wanted to.  The C's were never going to get a star via cap space.  As many have shown in other posts the team would have had to gut everyone.  Now they can build a team, include picks a young player and keep their veteran core.  I think trading for a player using the Forunier TPE and moving that player plus Richardson and Nesmith along with picks could get you Beal and still keep Smart and TL.  There will be a ton of luxury tax to pay but if you think you can win a chip then ownership has proven they'd do it.  I'm glad these guys are signed.

[Celtics2021]

Meh. In all honesty, I was hoping he'd be part of a blockbuster trade for Beal/Siakam/Simmons. It will be difficult to trade him now cause of the Base Year Compensation rule. Not sure whether he'll be eligible for trade at the deadline. The rules have changed due to the shortened season. Anyway, hopefully he stays healthy.

I'm intrigued to see how Udoka plans to use him next season. Brad was using him in a drop scheme on defense. Problem is, Tatum, Brown and Smart are at their best in a switch-heavy defensive scheme.

Our 2022 cap space has suddenly vanished. Not necessarily a bad thing. Just saying.

Yes, our 2022 cap space has vanished, as has the pool of worthwhile free agents.  There will be 0 or 1 stars hitting free agency next summer (Lavine and maybe Beal).  Could be a bunch of starter-level talent, and the Fournier TPE could be helpful in acquiring one of those players.  That TPE alone would put us somewhere between 5th and 7th if it were cap space.  (It's obviously not, but it's not far from it, since compensation in a S&T for any UFA will be minimal).

[Celtics2021]

I'm surprised that they were able to agree on the number. $13.5 million per year would suck if he has a lot of injuries, but it would probably cost (only) one first rounder to dump it after a year or two. It also has the potential to be an absolute steal in 2 or 3 years' time

I'm curious whether Williams received an option to opt out in 2 or 3 years.

The only option year could be in year 4 per the rules.  My guess is no -- given his health history, it'd be more likely the option went the other way.  But we'll eventually find out.

[RJ87]

Meh. In all honesty, I was hoping he'd be part of a blockbuster trade for Beal/Siakam/Simmons. It will be difficult to trade him now cause of the Base Year Compensation rule. Not sure whether he'll be eligible for trade at the deadline. The rules have changed due to the shortened season. Anyway, hopefully he stays healthy.

I'm intrigued to see how Udoka plans to use him next season. Brad was using him in a drop scheme on defense. Problem is, Tatum, Brown and Smart are at their best in a switch-heavy defensive scheme.

Our 2022 cap space has suddenly vanished. Not necessarily a bad thing. Just saying.

With the large TPE's I believe the C's can still trade for a star using a TPE and their expirings and keep TL and Smart if they wanted to.  The C's were never going to get a star via cap space.  As many have shown in other posts the team would have had to gut everyone.  Now they can build a team, include picks a young player and keep their veteran core.  I think trading for a player using the Forunier TPE and moving that player plus Richardson and Nesmith along with picks could get you Beal and still keep Smart and TL.  There will be a ton of luxury tax to pay but if you think you can win a chip then ownership has proven they'd do it.  I'm glad these guys are signed.

The simplest path to Beal would be to send out the requisite salaries using Al+Richardson+prospects+picks. And is that even a good deal? Where the TPE becomes interesting is we can absorb a "bad deal" from Washington to help them clean up their cap sheet - like taking back Davis Bertans using the Fournier TPE.

[Roy H.]

Don't like the deal but after Smart extension and no Markkenan deal makes sense. Would have much rather had a per of 11 million or a front loaded deal and then it would feel good. Given the guys history it's a overpay.

Why would he agree to $44 million over four years, though?  That's just barely over the MLE.  There's no incentive for him to sign.

[slamtheking]

when healthy, he's worth that pay.  the key word there being 'healthy'

[Vermont Green]

It is interesting to me that Horford played about 28 min last season (only 28 games) and Williams played about 19 min in 52 games.  That is 47 minutes total.  Collectively, they produced 22.2 pts / 13.6 rebs in those minutes.  I'll take that if that is what we get out of the center position next season.

As to the contract, it is all about the "if healthy".  I am not sure that Williams is going to improve all that much in terms of per minute production, he may improve some, the big thing is to get his minutes up from 19 to say 24 without a drop in per minute production (24 min straight prorated would be about 10 pts / 9 rebs).  Maybe a little uptick to say 12 pts / 11 rebs in 24 min?  And play say 70 games?  Is that worth $13.5M?

[Jvalin]

Meh. In all honesty, I was hoping he'd be part of a blockbuster trade for Beal/Siakam/Simmons. It will be difficult to trade him now cause of the Base Year Compensation rule. Not sure whether he'll be eligible for trade at the deadline. The rules have changed due to the shortened season. Anyway, hopefully he stays healthy.

I'm intrigued to see how Udoka plans to use him next season. Brad was using him in a drop scheme on defense. Problem is, Tatum, Brown and Smart are at their best in a switch-heavy defensive scheme.

Our 2022 cap space has suddenly vanished. Not necessarily a bad thing. Just saying.

With the large TPE's I believe the C's can still trade for a star using a TPE and their expirings and keep TL and Smart if they wanted to.  The C's were never going to get a star via cap space.  As many have shown in other posts the team would have had to gut everyone.  Now they can build a team, include picks a young player and keep their veteran core.  I think trading for a player using the Forunier TPE and moving that player plus Richardson and Nesmith along with picks could get you Beal and still keep Smart and TL.  There will be a ton of luxury tax to pay but if you think you can win a chip then ownership has proven they'd do it.  I'm glad these guys are signed.

When did they prove that? Here's a link showing the luxury tax history of every NBA team.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/tax/

The most Wyc has paid in luxury tax is $14.93M. In comparison, the Blazers paid $51.97M in 2002. The Knicks paid $65.42M in 2006. The Nets paid a whopping $90.57M in 2013. The Warriors paid $51.5M in 2018. The Thunder paid $61.6M in 2018. I could go on and on.

If you ask me, the team you are describing is wildly unrealistic, tax-wise.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I would think then that by this point we'll be either trading Edwards/Williams or picking up their team option in October 31 for next season. I would think the same for Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, but I thought those were easier decisions as far as picking-up their option and certainly with lesser chances of looking to be traded. We'll see as we still need to clear a roster spot one way or another.

In all, I don't think there'd be much interest in not picking up their options. Romeo and Williams are the ones that get a significant salary bump, so that may be something they might consider... it's $10M between them. But if we're going to operate above the cap as it seems to be the case, then might as well keep some salary you can use for trades if warranted.

[Celtics2021]

I would think then that by this point we'll be either trading Edwards/Williams or picking up their team option in October 31 for next season. I would think the same for Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, but I thought those were easier decisions as far as picking-up their option and certainly with lesser chances of looking to be traded. We'll see as we still need to clear a roster spot one way or another.

In all, I don't think there'd be much interest in not picking up their options. Romeo and Williams are the ones that get a significant salary bump, so that may be something they might consider... it's $10M between them. But if we're going to operate above the cap as it seems to be the case, then might as well keep some salary you can use for trades if warranted.

Since Edwards was a 2nd-round pick, his option doesn't have to get picked up until late June.  I like Grant, but I could see the argument to decline his option.  He's scheduled to make $4.3 million, and I'm not convinced he'd get more than that in free agency next summer.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I don't think anyone has brought up the idea that he's a pretty valuable trade chip now as well on that contract, even though I know trading a guy on a rookie contract with an extension is tricky.

Love this signing. He's worth every penny. Dude's a real game-changer in ways that Jarrett Allen, Richaun Holmes, Turner, Plumlee, and Drummond just aren't.

He's closest comparable is someone like Clint Capella with better passing, who got a way bigger contract.

[ETNCeltics]

I would think then that by this point we'll be either trading Edwards/Williams or picking up their team option in October 31 for next season. I would think the same for Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, but I thought those were easier decisions as far as picking-up their option and certainly with lesser chances of looking to be traded. We'll see as we still need to clear a roster spot one way or another.

In all, I don't think there'd be much interest in not picking up their options. Romeo and Williams are the ones that get a significant salary bump, so that may be something they might consider... it's $10M between them. But if we're going to operate above the cap as it seems to be the case, then might as well keep some salary you can use for trades if warranted.

Since Edwards was a 2nd-round pick, his option doesn't have to get picked up until late June.  I like Grant, but I could see the argument to decline his option.  He's scheduled to make $4.3 million, and I'm not convinced he'd get more than that in free agency next summer.

You think any team will offer him anything? IMO, best case scenario for him after his Celts' guaranteed contract is over is end of the bench making the league minimum.