Timelord signs 4 year $54M extension

[BudweiserCeltic]

I would think then that by this point we'll be either trading Edwards/Williams or picking up their team option in October 31 for next season. I would think the same for Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, but I thought those were easier decisions as far as picking-up their option and certainly with lesser chances of looking to be traded. We'll see as we still need to clear a roster spot one way or another.

In all, I don't think there'd be much interest in not picking up their options. Romeo and Williams are the ones that get a significant salary bump, so that may be something they might consider... it's $10M between them. But if we're going to operate above the cap as it seems to be the case, then might as well keep some salary you can use for trades if warranted.

Since Edwards was a 2nd-round pick, his option doesn't have to get picked up until late June.  I like Grant, but I could see the argument to decline his option.  He's scheduled to make $4.3 million, and I'm not convinced he'd get more than that in free agency next summer.

Correct about Edwards. As for Grant I don't think it's a question of wanting him as a player or not, though it's a benefit if he somehow turns it around, it's more of a question if you'd rather have someone you can include in a trade or not. He can easily be replaced otherwise.

[Vermont Green]

I don't think anyone has brought up the idea that he's a pretty valuable trade chip now as well on that contract, even though I know trading a guy on a rookie contract with an extension is tricky.

Love this signing. He's worth every penny. Dude's a real game-changer in ways that Jarrett Allen, Richaun Holmes, Turner, Plumlee, and Drummond just aren't.

He's closest comparable is someone like Clint Capella with better passing, who got a way bigger contract.

Even per 36, Capela is statistically ahead of Williams, and Capela actually plays nearly 36 minutes.  I am not sure that Williams will ever be able to produce the stats or be the work horse that Capela is.  Capela at $17M may actually be a better value.  Certainly less risky based on his durability track record and production consistency.  Williams may be a better passer but that is less important as compared to some of these other things.  The passing is nice in a big man but only if he can get his minutes up and ups his production in other areas.

[Celtics2021]

I would think then that by this point we'll be either trading Edwards/Williams or picking up their team option in October 31 for next season. I would think the same for Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, but I thought those were easier decisions as far as picking-up their option and certainly with lesser chances of looking to be traded. We'll see as we still need to clear a roster spot one way or another.

In all, I don't think there'd be much interest in not picking up their options. Romeo and Williams are the ones that get a significant salary bump, so that may be something they might consider... it's $10M between them. But if we're going to operate above the cap as it seems to be the case, then might as well keep some salary you can use for trades if warranted.

Since Edwards was a 2nd-round pick, his option doesn't have to get picked up until late June.  I like Grant, but I could see the argument to decline his option.  He's scheduled to make $4.3 million, and I'm not convinced he'd get more than that in free agency next summer.

Correct about Edwards. As for Grant I don't think it's a question of wanting him as a player or not, though it's a benefit if he somehow turns it around, it's more of a question if you'd rather have someone you can include in a trade or not. He can easily be replaced otherwise.

I think he'd have more use in a trade as an expiring mid-season than he would next summer, personally.  Barring him showing something more in pre-season (which isn't impossible, because he's still only 22 and has had his moments where he looked like a viable NBA player), I'd decline the option, lest he wind up staying on our books for three more seasons like Yabusele.

[BruceBanner18]

I would think then that by this point we'll be either trading Edwards/Williams or picking up their team option in October 31 for next season. I would think the same for Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, but I thought those were easier decisions as far as picking-up their option and certainly with lesser chances of looking to be traded. We'll see as we still need to clear a roster spot one way or another.

In all, I don't think there'd be much interest in not picking up their options. Romeo and Williams are the ones that get a significant salary bump, so that may be something they might consider... it's $10M between them. But if we're going to operate above the cap as it seems to be the case, then might as well keep some salary you can use for trades if warranted.

Since Edwards was a 2nd-round pick, his option doesn't have to get picked up until late June.  I like Grant, but I could see the argument to decline his option.  He's scheduled to make $4.3 million, and I'm not convinced he'd get more than that in free agency next summer.

Correct about Edwards. As for Grant I don't think it's a question of wanting him as a player or not, though it's a benefit if he somehow turns it around, it's more of a question if you'd rather have someone you can include in a trade or not. He can easily be replaced otherwise.

I know he has limitations but Grant shot 43% from 3 for half of last year. That type of shooting gravity from a big is crucial to open the lane for the Jays (and Shroder). I hope we're not selling his stock quite yet.

[Celtics2021]

I don't think anyone has brought up the idea that he's a pretty valuable trade chip now as well on that contract, even though I know trading a guy on a rookie contract with an extension is tricky.

Love this signing. He's worth every penny. Dude's a real game-changer in ways that Jarrett Allen, Richaun Holmes, Turner, Plumlee, and Drummond just aren't.

He's closest comparable is someone like Clint Capella with better passing, who got a way bigger contract.

Even per 36, Capela is statistically ahead of Williams, and Capela actually plays nearly 36 minutes.  I am not sure that Williams will ever be able to produce the stats or be the work horse that Capela is.  Capela at $17M may actually be a better value.  Certainly less risky based on his durability track record and production consistency.  Williams may be a better passer but that is less important as compared to some of these other things.  The passing is nice in a big man but only if he can get his minutes up and ups his production in other areas.

At the time Capela signed his deal, he was coming off a pretty comparable season at age 23, except TL has nearly triple the assists, 50% more blocks, and 60% more steals on a per-36.  There's that adage about the most important ability being availability, and that absolutely applies here, but if TL can put his injury woes behind him, he a superior player to Capela, and certainly a superior prospect relative to when the contracts were signed.

[Celtics2021]

I would think then that by this point we'll be either trading Edwards/Williams or picking up their team option in October 31 for next season. I would think the same for Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, but I thought those were easier decisions as far as picking-up their option and certainly with lesser chances of looking to be traded. We'll see as we still need to clear a roster spot one way or another.

In all, I don't think there'd be much interest in not picking up their options. Romeo and Williams are the ones that get a significant salary bump, so that may be something they might consider... it's $10M between them. But if we're going to operate above the cap as it seems to be the case, then might as well keep some salary you can use for trades if warranted.

Since Edwards was a 2nd-round pick, his option doesn't have to get picked up until late June.  I like Grant, but I could see the argument to decline his option.  He's scheduled to make $4.3 million, and I'm not convinced he'd get more than that in free agency next summer.

Correct about Edwards. As for Grant I don't think it's a question of wanting him as a player or not, though it's a benefit if he somehow turns it around, it's more of a question if you'd rather have someone you can include in a trade or not. He can easily be replaced otherwise.

I know he has limitations but Grant shot 43% from 3 for half of last year. That type of shooting gravity from a big is crucial to open the lane for the Jays (and Shroder). I hope we're not selling his stock quite yet.

Sure, but that was all of 60 attempts over 28 games.  Better than not, but it's not a great sample size, as shown by him shooting 32% on 69 attempts over the next 35 games.

[liam]

I don't think anyone has brought up the idea that he's a pretty valuable trade chip now as well on that contract, even though I know trading a guy on a rookie contract with an extension is tricky.

Love this signing. He's worth every penny. Dude's a real game-changer in ways that Jarrett Allen, Richaun Holmes, Turner, Plumlee, and Drummond just aren't.

He's closest comparable is someone like Clint Capella with better passing, who got a way bigger contract.

Even per 36, Capela is statistically ahead of Williams, and Capela actually plays nearly 36 minutes.  I am not sure that Williams will ever be able to produce the stats or be the work horse that Capela is.  Capela at $17M may actually be a better value.  Certainly less risky based on his durability track record and production consistency.  Williams may be a better passer but that is less important as compared to some of these other things.  The passing is nice in a big man but only if he can get his minutes up and ups his production in other areas.

Capela is squarely in his prime. TIMELORD is Assending!

[footey]

This is awesome!!

Great team friendly contract.  Hope Rob stays with us for many years to come. He is such and exciting guy to watch, who with minutes and experience is molding into  a very good player for us.  well done!!

[18isGREATERthan72]

High risk/High reward.

It's either going to be a steal of a contract or another Hayward situation where he is injured 50% of the time.

If he can stay healthy this is a helluva deal for us, but that's a big if.

If he stayed healthy this year and continues to progress his game like we've seen and went into the open market we wouldn't have been able to afford him.

I like the move.

This feels like a pretty average risk for high reward.  This isn't comparable to the Hayward contract which was 3x more expensive per year, for a much smaller reward (Hayward didn't have the same potential as Rob)

This also gives the Celtics a very solid trade chip moving forward if he doesn't pan out, or gets injured.

Not saying there is zero risk, just that the risk reward ratio is extremely good for us.

The Celtics didn't sign Hayward on potential because he was already a proven player.

Which is exactly why the Hayward signing had very low reward versus risk.

[Birdman]

Nooooooooo..hopefully Smart & TimeLord be part of sign & trade in the future

[Celtics2021]

High risk/High reward.

It's either going to be a steal of a contract or another Hayward situation where he is injured 50% of the time.

If he can stay healthy this is a helluva deal for us, but that's a big if.

If he stayed healthy this year and continues to progress his game like we've seen and went into the open market we wouldn't have been able to afford him.

I like the move.

This feels like a pretty average risk for high reward.  This isn't comparable to the Hayward contract which was 3x more expensive per year, for a much smaller reward (Hayward didn't have the same potential as Rob)

This also gives the Celtics a very solid trade chip moving forward if he doesn't pan out, or gets injured.

Not saying there is zero risk, just that the risk reward ratio is extremely good for us.

The Celtics didn't sign Hayward on potential because he was already a proven player.

Which is exactly why the Hayward signing had very low reward versus risk.

Not sure how signing a guy coming off an All-star season in his mid-20s is low-reward, and I'm not sure the chance that he'd suffer a gruesomely freak and grotesque injury in the 1st quarter on opening night is different risk from any other player.  Charlotte's signing of Hayward, post-injury, might be viewed as that, but what happened to Hayward could happen to any NBA player with pretty similar odds.  We see an injury like that once a year or so in the entire league, and unfortunately it happened to Hayward.

[gouki88]

I like this. In the Richaun Holmes tier of money, and Williams is a much more dynamic player when he's on the floor. If he can stay healthy this is a win, and it's also a tradeable contract.

[jambr380]

I'm surprised that they were able to agree on the number. $13.5 million per year would suck if he has a lot of injuries, but it would probably cost (only) one first rounder to dump it after a year or two. It also has the potential to be an absolute steal in 2 or 3 years' time

Yeah, TL is definitely the biggest wildcard because of injuries - can't believe they figured this out. I know not-top-tier centers usually don't get paid the big bucks, but this seems completely reasonable. I think I was 'hoping' for a $50M extension, but thinking it might be as high as $60M+, so this is decent. As Roy pointed out, it had to be above the full MLE or there was no incentive for TL to take this now. He really is a gamechanger and this contract could be a real bargain based on his continued potential.

[jambr380]

I like this. In the Richaun Holmes tier of money, and Williams is a much more dynamic player when he's on the floor. If he can stay healthy this is a win, and it's also a tradeable contract.

Obviously health is a major issue, but as long as his injuries are just of the nagging variety, rather than catastrophic, then I think it's pretty easy to fill in around the center position. We got a guy who put up 11/11 on a 42-30 team last year as a half-time starter for the vet min. When is the last time the Cs even had a center who put up 10+ rbs/gm, never mind getting him for the vet min?

We just need him out there most of the time and for the playoffs. It's a good value contract for what he brings to the game.

[gouki88]

I like this. In the Richaun Holmes tier of money, and Williams is a much more dynamic player when he's on the floor. If he can stay healthy this is a win, and it's also a tradeable contract.

Obviously health is a major issue, but as long as his injuries are just of the nagging variety, rather than catastrophic, then I think it's pretty easy to fill in around the center position. We got a guy who put up 11/11 on a 42-30 team last year as a half-time starter for the vet min. When is the last time the Cs even had a center who put up 10+ rbs/gm, never mind getting him for the vet min?

We just need him out there most of the time and for the playoffs. It's a good value contract for what he brings to the game.

Exactly. If Timelord can get up to 60ish games a year while playing 22-24 minutes, then this deal is really solid. He's an elite rebounder, elite defensive force, awesome interior scorer (career 72% FG) and an improving passer. Lots to like.