NBA trade rumors/FA signings 2021

[gouki88]

Celts interested in Jeff Green and Rudy Gay, per Globe.

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1421971264772657156?s=20

I like this, focusing on size and shooting.

i like this..good vets off the bench

I’d  honestly rather not sign anyone if they are looking at this guys lol. How underwhelming. Cs certified 8 seed this season since ownership is penny pinching.

How on earth is it better to play Jabari Parker / Grant Williams than quality role-players like Green or Gay??

Because both of those guys are literally ancient and literally targets because they are one year stop gaps?

You're overusing the word literally a bit. Who cares how old they are, they're better players than what we have. How is it that we're adding better players yet, by your logic, regressing to the 8 seed? Explain that one to me.

Also, short-term contracts in order to have the flexibility to pursue a max FA in the next off-season is a totally valid route

Because Jeff Green was born to cause Celtics fans pain. That’s why.

I don’t see how losing a better player in Fournier to sign Jeff effing Green makes the Cs a better team. Cs were a borderline playoff team last year. We think losing better players and signing one year washed up vets is the answer??? This is nothing more than ownership penny pinching and not wanting to go over the luxury tax for second straight year.

You realise they're not mutually exclusive at all, right? We're losing Fournier because his contractual demands are ridiculous, not because we're making way for Jeff Green

[gouki88]

I take Green, Gay & Bradley over Semi, Grant, Romeo, Waters, Kornet, Edwards & Bruno anyday of the week

My understanding from Himmelsbach's article is that the Celtics will use the taxpayer exception to sign one of those guys (Green, Gay, and Brown).

Can’t read the article — who’s Brown?  Bruce?

No mention of Brown in the article that I've read.

NBA free agency begins on Monday at 6 p.m., but Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens did not wait to start reshaping Boston’s roster in his first offseason in this new post.

Since the Celtics’ season ended just over two months ago, Stevens has traded starters Kemba Walker and Tristan Thompson and acquired Al Horford, Josh Richardson, Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando.

Aside from Horford, whose salary for 2022-23 is partially guaranteed, the players Boston added are all on expiring contracts, and league sources have indicated that Boston is likely to look to move Dunn in another deal. But the Celtics are clearly looking to maintain future flexibility, potentially putting themselves in position to make a more seismic splash next summer.

Still, with All-Stars Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown beginning to enter their primes, Boston’s brass is hardly considering this a throwaway season.

“With regards to what we want to add to our team, it’s pretty consistent,” Stevens said. “We need to be mindful of our near- and long-term views, and at the same time add hopefully an edge and some experience to our team. When I say experience, I mean just the savvy of someone who has been through it before that will help everybody around our guys better. That’s an important thing for our team as we move forward. The fit is important, what people bring to the table from those attributes is important. That’s what we’re looking at.”

The Celtics’ options will remain somewhat limited, though.

According to a league source, the team is losing confidence in its ability to re-sign veteran wing Evan Fournier. The Celtics acquired Fournier from the Magic in exchange for two second-round picks in March. The move was completed to bolster Boston’s playoff push, and because it would give the Celtics the ability to sign Fournier to a long-term deal this summer despite being over the salary capsince they would hold his Bird Rights.

Fournier may command a salary of around $19 million per season, which is likely beyond what Boston is willing to pay. The Celtics’ acquisition of Richardson on Saturday was also an indication that Boston is prepared to move on from Fournier. This path also helps with Boston’s future flexibility, even if the preference is to bring back Fournier.

The mid-level exception will be the primary means of acquiring a key bench piece. Boston is currently hovering just above the luxury-tax line, and it could still be in position to use either the full $9.5 million mid-level exception or the smaller $5.9 million taxpayer mid-level. Boston will most likely offer the taxpayer mid-level to avoid triggering the hard cap.

According to a league source, the Celtics prefer to pursue a player with extensive experience and are focused on adding size and shooting, and forward Jeff Green is believed to be a primary target. Green played for the Celtics from 2011-2015, including a season and a half with Stevens as his head coach.

This past season Green averaged 11 points and 3.9 rebounds for the Nets, where new Celtics coach Ime Udoka was an assistant coach . Also, Green’s agent, Jason Glushon, represents Brown and Horford.

Green could elect to stay with Brooklyn, which would likely offer the best path to a championship. But Nets stars Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, and James Harden are all eligible to massive extensions this offseason so finances there could become complicated.

The team could also pursue Spurs forward Rudy Gay and former Celtics forward Kelly Olynyk, according to a league source.

Olynyk’s strong finish to last season after being traded to the Rockets could keep him out of the Celtics’ price range, but Olynyk loved his time in Boston and kept a home here after departing in 2017. Gay, meanwhile, played for San Antonio while Udoka was an assistant there. He made 38.1 percent of his 3-pointers last season.

Backcourt options include players such as Spurs veteran Patty Mills—who was also coached by Udoka—and former Celtics guard Avery Bradley, according to a league source.

“We have a good foundation,” Stevens said on draft night. “We know who we are building this thing around and we know what we are trying to accomplish. At the same time, we have to make sure we are making continuous forward strides and it’s really important that we bring in the right people that can help accentuate each other.”

[colincb]

This 3-way works:

CHI Ball
NOP Smart
BOS Santoransky and Theis

BOS can get back under the tax by the end of next season. If they don't extend Smart, they should trade him now. I think Smart's likely to overvalue himself and there are always stupid or small market teams that will overpay.

Lowry looks likely to go to MIA rather than NO or CHI.

[PAOBoston]

Celts interested in Jeff Green and Rudy Gay, per Globe.

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1421971264772657156?s=20

I like this, focusing on size and shooting.

i like this..good vets off the bench

I’d  honestly rather not sign anyone if they are looking at this guys lol. How underwhelming. Cs certified 8 seed this season since ownership is penny pinching.

How on earth is it better to play Jabari Parker / Grant Williams than quality role-players like Green or Gay??

Because both of those guys are literally ancient and literally targets because they are one year stop gaps?

You're overusing the word literally a bit. Who cares how old they are, they're better players than what we have. How is it that we're adding better players yet, by your logic, regressing to the 8 seed? Explain that one to me.

Also, short-term contracts in order to have the flexibility to pursue a max FA in the next off-season is a totally valid route

Because Jeff Green was born to cause Celtics fans pain. That’s why.

I don’t see how losing a better player in Fournier to sign Jeff effing Green makes the Cs a better team. Cs were a borderline playoff team last year. We think losing better players and signing one year washed up vets is the answer??? This is nothing more than ownership penny pinching and not wanting to go over the luxury tax for second straight year.

You realise they're not mutually exclusive at all, right? We're losing Fournier because his contractual demands are ridiculous, not because we're making way for Jeff Green

His demands are not ridiculous. It’s his market rate. Cs also knew why he was going to cost prior to wasting the Hayward TPE on him. They can literally sign Fournier and sign Jeff Green.

[gouki88]

Celts interested in Jeff Green and Rudy Gay, per Globe.

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1421971264772657156?s=20

I like this, focusing on size and shooting.

i like this..good vets off the bench

I’d  honestly rather not sign anyone if they are looking at this guys lol. How underwhelming. Cs certified 8 seed this season since ownership is penny pinching.

How on earth is it better to play Jabari Parker / Grant Williams than quality role-players like Green or Gay??

Because both of those guys are literally ancient and literally targets because they are one year stop gaps?

You're overusing the word literally a bit. Who cares how old they are, they're better players than what we have. How is it that we're adding better players yet, by your logic, regressing to the 8 seed? Explain that one to me.

Also, short-term contracts in order to have the flexibility to pursue a max FA in the next off-season is a totally valid route

Because Jeff Green was born to cause Celtics fans pain. That’s why.

I don’t see how losing a better player in Fournier to sign Jeff effing Green makes the Cs a better team. Cs were a borderline playoff team last year. We think losing better players and signing one year washed up vets is the answer??? This is nothing more than ownership penny pinching and not wanting to go over the luxury tax for second straight year.

You realise they're not mutually exclusive at all, right? We're losing Fournier because his contractual demands are ridiculous, not because we're making way for Jeff Green

His demands are not ridiculous. It’s his market rate. Cs also knew why he was going to cost prior to wasting the Hayward TPE on him. They can literally sign Fournier and sign Jeff Green.

How is it his market rate when there are few suitors for him, with New York being the only one actually mentioned in his desired price range? He is demanding $5m more a season than comparable guys like Joe Harris got.

It's not his market rate if nobody in the market gives it to him. They certainly can sign both, but why would we sign Fournier at that price? It's foolish  for someone as flawed as him, especially given his age and pretty significant injury history

[Jiri Welsch]

I take Green, Gay & Bradley over Semi, Grant, Romeo, Waters, Kornet, Edwards & Bruno anyday of the week

My understanding from Himmelsbach's article is that the Celtics will use the taxpayer exception to sign one of those guys (Green, Gay, and Brown).

Can’t read the article — who’s Brown?  Bruce?

No, I'm just dumb and can't multitask. I meant Bradley!

[Celtics2021]

I take Green, Gay & Bradley over Semi, Grant, Romeo, Waters, Kornet, Edwards & Bruno anyday of the week

My understanding from Himmelsbach's article is that the Celtics will use the taxpayer exception to sign one of those guys (Green, Gay, and Brown).

Can’t read the article — who’s Brown?  Bruce?

No, I'm just dumb and can't multitask. I meant Bradley!

Thanks!  (Although too bad, because I’d like Bruce Brown, although little chance of that at the MLE I’d guess).

[PAOBoston]

Celts interested in Jeff Green and Rudy Gay, per Globe.

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1421971264772657156?s=20

I like this, focusing on size and shooting.

i like this..good vets off the bench

I’d  honestly rather not sign anyone if they are looking at this guys lol. How underwhelming. Cs certified 8 seed this season since ownership is penny pinching.

How on earth is it better to play Jabari Parker / Grant Williams than quality role-players like Green or Gay??

Because both of those guys are literally ancient and literally targets because they are one year stop gaps?

You're overusing the word literally a bit. Who cares how old they are, they're better players than what we have. How is it that we're adding better players yet, by your logic, regressing to the 8 seed? Explain that one to me.

Also, short-term contracts in order to have the flexibility to pursue a max FA in the next off-season is a totally valid route

Because Jeff Green was born to cause Celtics fans pain. That’s why.

I don’t see how losing a better player in Fournier to sign Jeff effing Green makes the Cs a better team. Cs were a borderline playoff team last year. We think losing better players and signing one year washed up vets is the answer??? This is nothing more than ownership penny pinching and not wanting to go over the luxury tax for second straight year.

You realise they're not mutually exclusive at all, right? We're losing Fournier because his contractual demands are ridiculous, not because we're making way for Jeff Green

His demands are not ridiculous. It’s his market rate. Cs also knew why he was going to cost prior to wasting the Hayward TPE on him. They can literally sign Fournier and sign Jeff Green.

How is it his market rate when there are few suitors for him, with New York being the only one actually mentioned in his desired price range? He is demanding $5m more a season than comparable guys like Joe Harris got.

It's not his market rate if nobody in the market gives it to him. They certainly can sign both, but why would we sign Fournier at that price? It's foolish  for someone as flawed as him, especially given his age and pretty significant injury history

How do you know that he has few suitors? Agents and teams talk before FA starts. They have a sense of wht he’s going to get. Same reason why Cs already went out and did plan B. They know lol. It’s not an overpay considering that is what we thought we was going to cost when they traded for him. 

[gouki88]

Celts interested in Jeff Green and Rudy Gay, per Globe.

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1421971264772657156?s=20

I like this, focusing on size and shooting.

i like this..good vets off the bench

I’d  honestly rather not sign anyone if they are looking at this guys lol. How underwhelming. Cs certified 8 seed this season since ownership is penny pinching.

How on earth is it better to play Jabari Parker / Grant Williams than quality role-players like Green or Gay??

Because both of those guys are literally ancient and literally targets because they are one year stop gaps?

You're overusing the word literally a bit. Who cares how old they are, they're better players than what we have. How is it that we're adding better players yet, by your logic, regressing to the 8 seed? Explain that one to me.

Also, short-term contracts in order to have the flexibility to pursue a max FA in the next off-season is a totally valid route

Because Jeff Green was born to cause Celtics fans pain. That’s why.

I don’t see how losing a better player in Fournier to sign Jeff effing Green makes the Cs a better team. Cs were a borderline playoff team last year. We think losing better players and signing one year washed up vets is the answer??? This is nothing more than ownership penny pinching and not wanting to go over the luxury tax for second straight year.

You realise they're not mutually exclusive at all, right? We're losing Fournier because his contractual demands are ridiculous, not because we're making way for Jeff Green

His demands are not ridiculous. It’s his market rate. Cs also knew why he was going to cost prior to wasting the Hayward TPE on him. They can literally sign Fournier and sign Jeff Green.

How is it his market rate when there are few suitors for him, with New York being the only one actually mentioned in his desired price range? He is demanding $5m more a season than comparable guys like Joe Harris got.

It's not his market rate if nobody in the market gives it to him. They certainly can sign both, but why would we sign Fournier at that price? It's foolish  for someone as flawed as him, especially given his age and pretty significant injury history

How do you know that he has few suitors? Agents and teams talk before FA starts. They have a sense of wht he’s going to get. Same reason why Cs already went out and did plan B. They know lol. It’s not an overpay considering that is what we thought we was going to cost when they traded for him.

Because there is a very limited number of teams with the cap space to sign someone to a $20m year deal. Toronto, New York, Dallas, Miami, San Antonio, OKC and Memphis. Charlotte have about $16m of cap space.
Then, think about the teams with an interest in a guy like Fournier. A #3 option on a solid team. That's pretty much New York, Miami and maybe Dallas. San Antonio, OKC and Toronto are rebuilding, and Memphis don't really have the need for someone like Fournier. For none of those teams would Fournier be a priority. He's not particularly dynamic on offence, he's a mediocre defender, he's nearly 29 and he's had injury problems historically.

What does that even mean? It's an overpay because he is not worth that much money.

[footey]

Celts interested in Jeff Green and Rudy Gay, per Globe.

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1421971264772657156?s=20

I like this, focusing on size and shooting.

i like this..good vets off the bench

I’d  honestly rather not sign anyone if they are looking at this guys lol. How underwhelming. Cs certified 8 seed this season since ownership is penny pinching.

How on earth is it better to play Jabari Parker / Grant Williams than quality role-players like Green or Gay??

Because both of those guys are literally ancient and literally targets because they are one year stop gaps?

You're overusing the word literally a bit. Who cares how old they are, they're better players than what we have. How is it that we're adding better players yet, by your logic, regressing to the 8 seed? Explain that one to me.

Also, short-term contracts in order to have the flexibility to pursue a max FA in the next off-season is a totally valid route

Because Jeff Green was born to cause Celtics fans pain. That’s why.

I don’t see how losing a better player in Fournier to sign Jeff effing Green makes the Cs a better team. Cs were a borderline playoff team last year. We think losing better players and signing one year washed up vets is the answer??? This is nothing more than ownership penny pinching and not wanting to go over the luxury tax for second straight year.

You realise they're not mutually exclusive at all, right? We're losing Fournier because his contractual demands are ridiculous, not because we're making way for Jeff Green

His demands are not ridiculous. It’s his market rate. Cs also knew why he was going to cost prior to wasting the Hayward TPE on him. They can literally sign Fournier and sign Jeff Green.

How is it his market rate when there are few suitors for him, with New York being the only one actually mentioned in his desired price range? He is demanding $5m more a season than comparable guys like Joe Harris got.

It's not his market rate if nobody in the market gives it to him. They certainly can sign both, but why would we sign Fournier at that price? It's foolish  for someone as flawed as him, especially given his age and pretty significant injury history

Market rate is based on the current supply and demand. If Joe Harris were a free agent this year he may command more than he got last year. We’ll know soon enough what Fournier market is. Somewhere between $16 and $20mm per I suspect.

[PAOBoston]

Lowry expected to go to MIA. Another conference rival loading up.


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1422009451440222213?s=21

I also don’t know how the league doesn’t fine Miami. These seems literally the same as Bogdanovic and the Bucks last year.

[Kuberski33]

Lowry expected to go to MIA. Another conference rival loading up.


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1422009451440222213?s=21

I also don’t know how the league doesn’t fine Miami. These seems literally the same as Bogdanovic and the Bucks last year.

I'd be more concerned if Lowry was say 32. He's 35.  Curious what they'll pay him.

[SparzWizard]

Celts interested in Jeff Green and Rudy Gay, per Globe.

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1421971264772657156?s=20

I like this, focusing on size and shooting.

i like this..good vets off the bench

I’d  honestly rather not sign anyone if they are looking at this guys lol. How underwhelming. Cs certified 8 seed this season since ownership is penny pinching.

How on earth is it better to play Jabari Parker / Grant Williams than quality role-players like Green or Gay??

Because both of those guys are literally ancient and literally targets because they are one year stop gaps?

You're overusing the word literally a bit. Who cares how old they are, they're better players than what we have. How is it that we're adding better players yet, by your logic, regressing to the 8 seed? Explain that one to me.

Also, short-term contracts in order to have the flexibility to pursue a max FA in the next off-season is a totally valid route

Because Jeff Green was born to cause Celtics fans pain. That’s why.

I don’t see how losing a better player in Fournier to sign Jeff effing Green makes the Cs a better team. Cs were a borderline playoff team last year. We think losing better players and signing one year washed up vets is the answer??? This is nothing more than ownership penny pinching and not wanting to go over the luxury tax for second straight year.

I don't think it would be wise to pay Fournier 4yr/$80M which would eat up the max cap space we'd potentially have for next offseason

[Celtics2021]

Lowry expected to go to MIA. Another conference rival loading up.


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1422009451440222213?s=21

I also don’t know how the league doesn’t fine Miami. These seems literally the same as Bogdanovic and the Bucks last year.

It’s a little bit different because the Heat were given permission by Toronto to talk to Lowry last year at the trade deadline about an extend-and-trade, so they may have an idea of what he’s asking for.  But only a little bit different and I do hope the league looks at it closely.

[hpantazo]

So we're reportedly targeting Jeff Green, Kelly Olynyk, Avery Bradley and Patty Mills while the Heat are going for Kyle Lowry. That's just great.

We already traded for Horford, let's sign IT too while we're at it.