Moses Brown trade irritating

[Rosco917]

I'm hoping this is the dark before the dawn, because right now the Celtic are first round out in the playoffs. This can't be it. This team needs a real PG to get the ball moving and offer more than predictable ISO ball as offense. Marcus is best off the bench in short bursts IMO.

And remember this, we're not talking about the Al Horford of five years ago. He was showing signs of aging and being injury prone in the last few years with us. As for Time Lord...he was injury laden in college. He's the new incarnation of Pervis Ellison.

This can't be the team...I refuse to believe that.

[Tr1boy]

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[Csfan1984]

So in effect, our 1st round pick turned into Josh Richardson.  I’m OK with that.

So is it a 1st and Kemba for Horford, Richardson and a 2nd? Kind of wish we had Kemba and TM3 instead. Beal better happen.

Just the way I look at now, it was basically Kemba for Horford.  Brown and the 2nd were never the point of the trade (so all the moaning in this thread about ‘losing’ Brown is puzzling).  The price to take on the Kemba contract was a 1st round pick which in turn was compensated by taking back Brown who turned into Richardson. It’s just the way I view the deal.

I did like Moses as a return for the 1st because Kemba for Horford and a 2nd is terrible value (unless we do something with Horford's contract next year). Kemba was still a 18 pt guy easily, good ball handler, and clutch ft shooter. 

If you really hated Kemba and TT this was epic work by BS but basketball value it wasn't good.
Kemba, 16, and  TT for Dunn, Richardson, Horford, and a 2nd. Dunn and Horford were held out for almost a whole year who knows what either has in the tank. Richardson has been regressing the last two years. C's should of gotten a 1st or two between all these trades.

[Vermont Green]

I am disappointed to give up Moses Brown but this deal is Josh Richardson for Moses Brown. That is great value for a win now team.   I expect worst case, Richardson is a very good sixth man. Best case, Moses is a bench big behind Horford and Williams.  That is an upgrade.

[LilRip]

So in effect, our 1st round pick turned into Josh Richardson.  I’m OK with that.

So is it a 1st and Kemba for Horford, Richardson and a 2nd? Kind of wish we had Kemba and TM3 instead. Beal better happen.

Just the way I look at now, it was basically Kemba for Horford.  Brown and the 2nd were never the point of the trade (so all the moaning in this thread about ‘losing’ Brown is puzzling).  The price to take on the Kemba contract was a 1st round pick which in turn was compensated by taking back Brown who turned into Richardson. It’s just the way I view the deal.

I did like Moses as a return for the 1st because Kemba for Horford and a 2nd is terrible value (unless we do something with Horford's contract next year). Kemba was still a 18 pt guy easily, good ball handler, and clutch ft shooter. 

If you really hated Kemba and TT this was epic work by BS but basketball value it wasn't good.
Kemba, 16, and  TT for Dunn, Richardson, Horford, and a 2nd. Dunn and Horford were held out for almost a whole year who knows what either has in the tank. Richardson has been regressing the last two years. C's should of gotten a 1st or two between all these trades.

Didn’t we get a TPE too? So really it’s…
OUT: Kemba, TT, #16
IN: Horford, Richardson, Dunn, 9Mn TPE, future 2nd

I don’t think it was such a gamble. Those are a bunch of “negative” assets in that trade. All the GM’s involved did what they’re paid to do: buy low

If Richardson was trending in the right direction, if Al was playing like an allstar, if Kemba was completely healthy and made All-NBA 3rd team again, if TT was playing like a monster inside… they probably wouldn’t have been traded like this.

But instead, we have a regressing Richardson, a “cooked” big Al, a hobbled Kemba and a locker room problem/overpaid TT.

[footey]

Mavis blog site makes it sound like the whole purpose of the trade was to get Brown rather than to create cap space by dumping Richardson.

https://www.mavs.com/mavsacquirebrown/

[RodyTur10]

I'm hoping this is the dark before the dawn, because right now the Celtic are first round out in the playoffs. This can't be it. This team needs a real PG to get the ball moving and offer more than predictable ISO ball as offense. Marcus is best off the bench in short bursts IMO.

And remember this, we're not talking about the Al Horford of five years ago. He was showing signs of aging and being injury prone in the last few years with us. As for Time Lord...he was injury laden in college. He's the new incarnation of Pervis Ellison.

This can't be the team...I refuse to believe that.

I agree that this team isn't close to being good enough.
We need at least another starting caliber PG (as you rightfully pointed out), a lethal shooter with decent defense and a rotational big. Still a lot of work to do for Stevens.

I'm worried, but as being suggested there are probably still a lot of trades coming. I'm also kind of hoping that the Celts are busy with Siakam (the Raptors are going in a rebuild).

[jambr380]

Mavis blog site makes it sound like the whole purpose of the trade was to get Brown rather than to create cap space by dumping Richardson.

https://www.mavs.com/mavsacquirebrown/

Brad got taken to school on this deal. I don't know whether or not Moses will be a productive Center in this league, but the priority had to be getting out of Carsen's guaranteed money. Instead, we do the Mavs a massive favor by giving them max FA space for a player they didn't want...and likely nobody else did either. Like the least the Mavs could have done was take on Carsen, maybe give us a 2nd back. Instead we gave up the one piece we were all pretty psyched about in the Al/Kemba deal.

[Rikibellevie]

Mavis blog site makes it sound like the whole purpose of the trade was to get Brown rather than to create cap space by dumping Richardson.

https://www.mavs.com/mavsacquirebrown/

Yes the same crap info we saw in our forums and blogs. We want to believe and they want click. Again they were also this kind of expectations with Hollis Thompson or Nick Sauskas with Philly garbage tanking team. I am with Stevens to not count on him. Dallas did it for moneyvand TPE like us in the Hawks trade.

My interrogation are why we had to sign Richardson... I like him but he looks like a consolation prize of Fournier. Like Kemba was with Irving and Fournier with some unprobable TPE expectations. Our interest with so many players here for 1Year, an unbalanced roster and not enough talent wouldn't be to clearly go to lottery before going all in next summer? I know it isn't our identity neiter Stevens one. But I would be ready to wait one year to maximise our chances for future. In this idea we could also have kept Kemba from the bench and draft Sengun, Jones or Johnson. Don't know 

[Moranis]

Mavis blog site makes it sound like the whole purpose of the trade was to get Brown rather than to create cap space by dumping Richardson.

https://www.mavs.com/mavsacquirebrown/

Yes the same crap info we saw in our forums and blogs. We want to believe and they want click. Again they were also this kind of expectations with Hollis Thompson or Nick Sauskas with Philly garbage tanking team. I am with Stevens to not count on him. Dallas did it for moneyvand TPE like us in the Hawks trade.

My interrogation are why we had to sign Richardson... I like him but he looks like a consolation prize of Fournier. Like Kemba was with Irving and Fournier with some unprobable TPE expectations. Our interest with so many players here for 1Year, an unbalanced roster and not enough talent wouldn't be to clearly go to lottery before going all in next summer? I know it isn't our identity neiter Stevens one. But I would be ready to wait one year to maximise our chances for future. In this idea we could also have kept Kemba from the bench and draft Sengun, Jones or Johnson. Don't know

except they didn't have to take a player to make the deal and it was first reported without him included.  That sounds an awful lot like they asked for him to be included.  Now sure that wasn't the driving motivation behind the trade, but why ask to include him if you don't want him at all.

[Rikibellevie]

Mavis blog site makes it sound like the whole purpose of the trade was to get Brown rather than to create cap space by dumping Richardson.

https://www.mavs.com/mavsacquirebrown/

Yes the same crap info we saw in our forums and blogs. We want to believe and they want click. Again they were also this kind of expectations with Hollis Thompson or Nick Sauskas with Philly garbage tanking team. I am with Stevens to not count on him. Dallas did it for moneyvand TPE like us in the Hawks trade.

My interrogation are why we had to sign Richardson... I like him but he looks like a consolation prize of Fournier. Like Kemba was with Irving and Fournier with some unprobable TPE expectations. Our interest with so many players here for 1Year, an unbalanced roster and not enough talent wouldn't be to clearly go to lottery before going all in next summer? I know it isn't our identity neiter Stevens one. But I would be ready to wait one year to maximise our chances for future. In this idea we could also have kept Kemba from the bench and draft Sengun, Jones or Johnson. Don't know

except they didn't have to take a player to make the deal and it was first reported without him included.  That sounds an awful lot like they asked for him to be included.  Now sure that wasn't the driving motivation behind the trade, but why ask to include him if you don't want him at all.

Yes it was like Stevens wanted to take Richardson contract for nothing and the Mavs said "no, we want a big Mac menue and a nuts." Doesn't mean Brown has a real value.

[Celtics4ever]

Brown was the latest new savior we see all the time on this board.  High expectations, low grip on reality by fan base.   Recall all the elation over Mo Wagner and Kornett, then peeps got crashed back in reality.   

He showed some signs here and here and put up decent numbers on a bad team trying to tank,  folks.   He ate us alive one game but what big doesn't.

[terra haute]

Brown was the latest new savior we see all the time on this board.  High expectations, low grip on reality.   He showed some signs on a bad team folks.   He ate us alive one game but what big doesn't.

Does anyone remember Robert Parish at Golden State? Just asking you cant teach height and Celts got a great chance of a deal and threw it away on while maybe a better player now but not hard to find 6-6 guys just my opinion. I think we had chance and a great contract and blew it. Fast losing faith in Brad  and I'm from Indiana!

[liam]

I was irritated by just letting Moses go but I've been calling for vets that are ready to play off the bench so this is what I've wanted for a while now. There are some solid NBA center journeymen out there that would make our team better for the vet minimum. We just can't have a bench full of projects anymore. No one knows that more than Brad Stevens.

[Tr1boy]

I was irritated by just letting Moses go but I've been calling for vets that are ready to play off the bench so this is what I've wanted for a while now. There are some solid NBA center journeymen out there that would make our team better for the vet minimum. We just can't have a bench full of projects anymore. No one knows that more than Brad Stevens.

What is Brad doing?? 

just crazy.  Just overplaying his hand now

I don't mind getting Richardson. But why for Moses?