Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith

[gouki88]

Got to give something to get something, so I disagree with the title, though your points about these two kids are valid.

Phoenix - CP3 made the difference for that team.  They are a bad example.

Probably right as far as making the finals....but I think their 8`0 bubble run was with Rubio and they looked very good.  I think any good point guard and that team was going to be a tough out.

They've also shown they don't fall apart when Paul is out...

Their offence is good for point guards, which makes me wary of Cam Payne... Rubio looked considerably worse either side of his Phoenix stint

[mr. dee]

For anyone saying we have "too many" young guys, just look at the Suns roster

Cam Johnson - 2nd year
Deandre Ayton - 2nd year
Mikael Bridges - 3rd year
Jalen Smith - 1st year
Torey Craig - 4th year (he's an already 30 but doesn't have much experience in the league)

Booker may have been played long enough in the league but let's not forget he's only 24 too.

Overpaying for "proven" veterans proved fatal for some teams. I bet if Kawhi stick with the Clippers roster that took the Warriors to 6 games, they would go further in the playoffs because the chemistry of that team were really good. It's always good to mix young players with veterans. Nesmith and Langford got some really good experience guarding top players in the league this season.

The Suns traded for CP3 because  they had nothing to lose. The players who were traded for him failed to reach the playoffs. Even if the CP3 acquisition had failed, they will probably just miss the playoffs again.

The end of bench young guys are expendable. But if we want to compete, we need to keep those two instead of overpaying vets.

[Who]

Got to give something to get something, so I disagree with the title, though your points about these two kids are valid.

Phoenix - CP3 made the difference for that team.  They are a bad example.

Probably right as far as making the finals....but I think their 8`0 bubble run was with Rubio and they looked very good.  I think any good point guard and that team was going to be a tough out.

They've also shown they don't fall apart when Paul is out...

Their offence is good for point guards, which makes me wary of Cam Payne... Rubio looked considerably worse either side of his Phoenix stint

That worries me too. Also as to how well he maintains his shooting numbers.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Romeo's defense is special with his length and ability to contort he body mid air not to foul and still contest the shot.His block of Harden comes to mind.Then there was the block on baseline after Prithard got beat two hands up going vertical at rim..I think,he disguises that almost 7ft wingspan with a sort padded physique and lfuidity.
Nesmith on the other hand is cut and threw himself around contesting everything Another huge wingspan and more  athletically-inclined than we were told.Almost qualified for fast in open court while Romeo smoothly changes gears and fearlessly takes charges .Both weakside rebound and cut backdoor
Nesmith was picked for 3 pt prowess for only a first half a season due to injury.
We now have Timelord, Pritchard and Williams (Marcus,Brown and Tatum with Rozier getting away and losing Kelly to Miami in free agency.
Lets grow a team like San Antonio did or Phoenix has done

I think if we move TT for another PG and allow Langford  Nesmith Pritchard Timelord  and Moses to
 develop we should be at least in the conference semis next year. Smart having a career year is important if we don't acquire another PG.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I have a feeling that Stevens loves Langford (Indiana connection). I could see Nesmith move in a trade.

I don't think either have a lot of trade value, and would prefer that we develop both before trading for something inconsequential.

That being said, if we're moving either as part of a combo to bring in a stud- cya fellas!

[rogueandpoet]

Firmly on the "Keep them"  side. I'm also on the "Play them" side. They each need at least 20 minutes a game. This won't happen if we keep Fournier. Both have a higher upside that Fournier. Both have shown a commitment and skill as defenders. Both have size and can switch easily. This is the only way to find out what these kids have.

[footey]

Firmly on the "Keep them"  side. I'm also on the "Play them" side. They each need at least 20 minutes a game. This won't happen if we keep Fournier. Both have a higher upside that Fournier. Both have shown a commitment and skill as defenders. Both have size and can switch easily. This is the only way to find out what these kids have.

You can sign him and trade him later if it is stunting their growth. I'd rather trade Smart than Fournier if we are concerned with finding them minutes.

[Vermont Green]

Firmly on the "Keep them"  side. I'm also on the "Play them" side. They each need at least 20 minutes a game. This won't happen if we keep Fournier. Both have a higher upside that Fournier. Both have shown a commitment and skill as defenders. Both have size and can switch easily. This is the only way to find out what these kids have.

You can sign him and trade him later if it is stunting their growth. I'd rather trade Smart than Fournier if we are concerned with finding them minutes.

If the team decides not to sign Fournier with the expectation that Langford and Nesmith will play more, I hope that they don't do this just to find out how good they are.  This is a win now team.  If they are convinced that they are good enough and don't need Fournier, fine, maybe we can sign and trade Fournier and get something.  If you are not sure they are ready for 20 min per game on a winning team, then you better sign Fournier.

I like both players but I think we are better served signing Fournier.  I do not believe that Langford and Nesmith will be  "held back" by this.  If they are good enough, they can show it in 10 minutes.

[Celtics4ever]

I hope we can trade Thompson for a modern four or PG.

[hwangjini_1]

I hope we can trade Thompson for a modern four or PG.

does udoka use that sort of approach to his teams? i mean, does he think in terms of pg, sg, sf, pf, c?

then-CBS didn't. instead of a dedicated point guard then-CBS would have someone bring the ball across mid-court and then pass it off to start running an offensive set.

[gouki88]

For anyone saying we have "too many" young guys, just look at the Suns roster

Cam Johnson - 2nd year
Deandre Ayton - 2nd year
Mikael Bridges - 3rd year
Jalen Smith - 1st year
Torey Craig - 4th year (he's an already 30 but doesn't have much experience in the league)

Booker may have been played long enough in the league but let's not forget he's only 24 too.

Overpaying for "proven" veterans proved fatal for some teams. I bet if Kawhi stick with the Clippers roster that took the Warriors to 6 games, they would go further in the playoffs because the chemistry of that team were really good. It's always good to mix young players with veterans. Nesmith and Langford got some really good experience guarding top players in the league this season.

The Suns traded for CP3 because  they had nothing to lose. The players who were traded for him failed to reach the playoffs. Even if the CP3 acquisition had failed, they will probably just miss the playoffs again.

The end of bench young guys are expendable. But if we want to compete, we need to keep those two instead of overpaying vets.

Johnson and Bridges were picks 11 and 10 respectively and were really quite old for college players - they're both older than JT, for example.
Ayton was the #1 pick and is a physical abnormality.
Jalen Smith simply does not play, not sure why he's listed. He's played 17 minutes these playoffs.
Torrey Craig is a bit silly to list here. I doubt many would group Theis with our youth when he was here.
They have picked NBA ready guys a lot over the last few seasons.

The Suns have also brought in guys like CP3, Crowder, Saric, Kaminsky and E'Twaun Moore over the last two years to shore up holes in their roster. I don't think anyone wants us to abandon all our youth, but we have struggled for the balance between young guys and productive bench players, furthered by how speculative some of our picks have been.

[rollie mass]

I am not a fan of short wingspans and tweeners that Danny drafted Williams,Semi and Kelly,.
We now have a sniper ball handler in Pritchard .Jabari is certainly an offense spark off the bench.
We picked up Moses Brown and Luke Kornet who actually played efficiently.
Tremont Waters and Carson Edwards must play well at summer league.Will that even be enough.

[liam]

I really like Nesmith and I see his name in so many trade ideas when he's a perfect modern NBA player. He's a gym rat that will only get better. My starting five for next year would be:

Smart
Brown
Nesmith
Tatum
TIMELORD

[Vermont Green]

1. We currently have 4 developmental prospects (Timelord, Nesmith, Romeo, Pritchard) that need minutes to see what’s there or develop what’s there. I wouldn’t put Grant or Carsen in that category. If they surprise from here on out great, but they haven’t earned developmental opportunities yet.

Sorry to nitpick but we also now have Moses Brown who is certainly "developmental".  To your point though, if all 5 remain in the developmental stage through next season, that is a lot for a team trying to contend.

I respectfully would not include Moses Brown in the same category as those 4 in terms of realistic developmental prospects.

So after reading the responses to this, everyone defines "developmental" and "prospect" differently.  Nebist said his definition of developmental was two things:

• need minutes to see what’s there
• or develop what’s there

And prospect to me means that the player is more AAA than big league (to use a baseball analogy).  In basketball though, they have to develop the front line prospects in the NBA.  Those delegated to 2-way contracts or full G-League are really trying to get a chance to be a prospect.

There is a shelf life for a player to be a prospect.  It can vary but RWilliams, is now entering his 4th season.  He may have already graduated from the "prospect" status to whatever is next (veteran?).  To me, clearly Pritchard, Langford, Nesmith, and MBrown fit the "prospect" category since each has only 1 or 2 season in the NBA and clearly are developmental in that there is still clear potential ceiling to potentially be realized.  Edwards and GWilliams are 3 years in, and are on the fringe of not being prospects anymore, rather just fringe NBA players due to limited unrealized ceiling.  There just may not be that much there for them.

So no matter how you slice it, we have a lot of developmental prospects on the team and some not so developmental prospects.  We also have some young veterans that are still improving.

[mr. dee]

For anyone saying we have "too many" young guys, just look at the Suns roster

Cam Johnson - 2nd year
Deandre Ayton - 2nd year
Mikael Bridges - 3rd year
Jalen Smith - 1st year
Torey Craig - 4th year (he's an already 30 but doesn't have much experience in the league)

Booker may have been played long enough in the league but let's not forget he's only 24 too.

Overpaying for "proven" veterans proved fatal for some teams. I bet if Kawhi stick with the Clippers roster that took the Warriors to 6 games, they would go further in the playoffs because the chemistry of that team were really good. It's always good to mix young players with veterans. Nesmith and Langford got some really good experience guarding top players in the league this season.

The Suns traded for CP3 because  they had nothing to lose. The players who were traded for him failed to reach the playoffs. Even if the CP3 acquisition had failed, they will probably just miss the playoffs again.

The end of bench young guys are expendable. But if we want to compete, we need to keep those two instead of overpaying vets.

Johnson and Bridges were picks 11 and 10 respectively and were really quite old for college players - they're both older than JT, for example.
Ayton was the #1 pick and is a physical abnormality.
Jalen Smith simply does not play, not sure why he's listed. He's played 17 minutes these playoffs.
Torrey Craig is a bit silly to list here. I doubt many would group Theis with our youth when he was here.
They have picked NBA ready guys a lot over the last few seasons.

The Suns have also brought in guys like CP3, Crowder, Saric, Kaminsky and E'Twaun Moore over the last two years to shore up holes in their roster. I don't think anyone wants us to abandon all our youth, but we have struggled for the balance between young guys and productive bench players, furthered by how speculative some of our picks have been.

I don't know why it is silly to include Craig and Smith while you mention guys like Kaminsky, Moore and others who are barely even in the rotation too. Theis was part of our future. May not be spring chicken but he's no senior citizen either.

Draft positions don't mean much outside the top 10. Sure, there were guys like Klay, Kawhi, etc. But most players there are rotational players at best and out of the league early at worst. If both Nesmith and Langford were playing for another team and shine, we'd be hearing about how Danny missed those guys. It's not the lack of talent, but rather lack of opportunity that these young prospects don't meet your expecations.