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Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2021, 03:47:15 PM »

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1. We currently have 4 developmental prospects (Timelord, Nesmith, Romeo, Pritchard) that need minutes to see what’s there or develop what’s there. I wouldn’t put Grant or Carsen in that category. If they surprise from here on out great, but they haven’t earned developmental opportunities yet.

Sorry to nitpick but we also now have Moses Brown who is certainly "developmental".  To your point though, if all 5 remain in the developmental stage through next season, that is a lot for a team trying to contend.

Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2021, 04:06:04 PM »

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I wouldn’t put Grant or Carsen in that category. If they surprise from here on out great, but they haven’t earned developmental opportunities yet.

Agree, if Carsen does not start shooting better he will be out of the league.   Grant is very limited in terms of his size, and athletic ability.   He is very situational who he can match up against.  Did very well against a slow Jokic but struggles against many others.  He better bring it with a fire or he too will be gone and off this team.  He needs to come in and throw his body around and be physical because he is not out jumping or out running guys.  He will have to use his strength and mind.

Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2021, 05:10:16 PM »

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1. We currently have 4 developmental prospects (Timelord, Nesmith, Romeo, Pritchard) that need minutes to see what’s there or develop what’s there. I wouldn’t put Grant or Carsen in that category. If they surprise from here on out great, but they haven’t earned developmental opportunities yet.

Sorry to nitpick but we also now have Moses Brown who is certainly "developmental".  To your point though, if all 5 remain in the developmental stage through next season, that is a lot for a team trying to contend.

Yes, good point on Brown. I overlooked him. I guess in my head I view his development as gravy, especially if we do extend Timelord. Currently, he’s a 4th C with no path to playing time. If we move TT like I hope, he becomes a 3rd C that might average 10-15 minutes a game factoring in injuries/rest. But if he develops I view that as found value whereas if we keep them we have a responsibility to develop Timelord, Nesmith, Langford, and Pritchard to maximize our assets/roster.

Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2021, 05:23:40 PM »

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Tatum is a "don't trade".

Except for a couple of guys in the league, Brown is a "don't trade".

Romeo and Nesmith are guys who may or may not be good enough to be rotation guys on a contending team. If we need to include them in a trade for a 3rd star, I'll be happy to drive them to the airport. Let's stop overvaluing these developmental players and concentrate on getting that third star that will make us a contender.


Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2021, 05:56:16 PM »

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1. We currently have 4 developmental prospects (Timelord, Nesmith, Romeo, Pritchard) that need minutes to see what’s there or develop what’s there. I wouldn’t put Grant or Carsen in that category. If they surprise from here on out great, but they haven’t earned developmental opportunities yet.

Sorry to nitpick but we also now have Moses Brown who is certainly "developmental".  To your point though, if all 5 remain in the developmental stage through next season, that is a lot for a team trying to contend.

I respectfully would not include Moses Brown in the same category as those 4 in terms of realistic developmental prospects. 

Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2021, 06:29:42 PM »

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I like Aaron.
As for Romeo,  I am not sold on him.  Not a dealbreaker if we have to include him in a trade.

Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2021, 06:33:50 PM »

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There is nothing I’ve seen from Romeo that makes me anywhere near excited for him as a player.

I’m good with keeping Nesmith. Anyone who wants Romeo can have him.

Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2021, 06:34:24 PM »

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1. We currently have 4 developmental prospects (Timelord, Nesmith, Romeo, Pritchard) that need minutes to see what’s there or develop what’s there. I wouldn’t put Grant or Carsen in that category. If they surprise from here on out great, but they haven’t earned developmental opportunities yet.

Sorry to nitpick but we also now have Moses Brown who is certainly "developmental".  To your point though, if all 5 remain in the developmental stage through next season, that is a lot for a team trying to contend.

I respectfully would not include Moses Brown in the same category as those 4 in terms of realistic developmental prospects.

Yea, I'd put Brown in there with Grant in the general category of youth that's still worth keeping around as  playable depth, but not likely a high-level piece.

Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2021, 06:43:47 PM »

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I don't think Romeo has much value, so why trade him?  If he's salary filler or a sweetener in a bigger deal (like the inclusion of Gerald Green in the KG trade), sure.  Otherwise, what's the point?

As for Nesmith...  I think he's going to be a solid starter in the future, maybe better.  I like his upside.  Similarly to Romeo, I think Nesmith is probably worth more to us than what we'd get in trade.


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Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2021, 07:15:00 PM »

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I've said this before, Romeo sucks with the ball.  He is a terrible shooter, that said, he does have some value on the defensive side.  I see him as a fill in to a bigger trade.  On the other hand, I see Nesmith with a lot of upside and would like to see the Cs keep him as our next starting SG.
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Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2021, 08:02:16 PM »

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I have been a Langford fan since he was drafted and was very down on the Nesmith pick. Nesmith has grown on me a lot over the season. I still do not believe he was the right pick but I see a path where he becomes a good wing who plays primarily a small ball 4 type role. Langford needs to either become a much better 3pt shooter or develop into an “Evan Turner lite” point forward type.

As for trades, unless it’s for a clear long term starter I wouldn’t move either young wing.

As for roster I agree vets are needed. I’d like to see a vet swing added to start along side smart,brown,Tatum and Al. With the added swing and the resigning of Fournier Langford and Nesmith should be competing with each other for the 9th spot in the rotation this season.
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Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2021, 08:25:12 PM »

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A couple of thoughts:
1. We currently have 4 developmental prospects (Timelord, Nesmith, Romeo, Pritchard) that need minutes to see what’s there or develop what’s there. I wouldn’t put Grant or Carsen in that category. If they surprise from here on out great, but they haven’t earned developmental opportunities yet.

You’re underestimating Grant and Carsen - a little more surprising in the case of Grant, since he’s gotten rotation minutes for two seasons now - the coaching staff, at a minimum, think he merits more than just developmental minutes. Physical defender who gets in his man’s airspace; stays in front; knows and goes where he’s supposed to be; versatile, guards up. Moves the ball on offense; low usage; almost exactly hits league-average for 3-pt% and eFG%. There’s a lot to like.

Carsen’s getting spot minutes to this point, so it takes something to track his progress; but progress he did, and in the area he most needed to: getting to the rim off the dribble and finishing. Small sample size, but he appears to have turned a weakness into a strength.

4. Specific to Nesmith/Langford, it seems like a luxury to have two developmental prospects at the wing spot when our two best players are also wings. It can be done (especially with Tatum’s ability to play the 4), but I certainly wouldn’t hesitate to include one of them in the right deal.

Good point. They’ve also got Fournier and Smart ahead of them. I’m giving the edge to Nesmith, because it looks like he’s going to be a shooter; he’s behind Romeo in defense, but he’ll be good there, too, and the marksmanship looks like it makes him an ideal complement to The Two Jays.
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Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2021, 09:00:16 PM »

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1. We currently have 4 developmental prospects (Timelord, Nesmith, Romeo, Pritchard) that need minutes to see what’s there or develop what’s there. I wouldn’t put Grant or Carsen in that category. If they surprise from here on out great, but they haven’t earned developmental opportunities yet.

Sorry to nitpick but we also now have Moses Brown who is certainly "developmental".  To your point though, if all 5 remain in the developmental stage through next season, that is a lot for a team trying to contend.

I guess Time Lord is developmental in the sense he can still grow his game, but he is miles ahead of those guys. He earned the starting job last year, and his current level is wayyy ahead of those other guys. The only thing that keeps him from starting again would be bad health. All due respect to Al Horford - who I like as a player - but he’s going to be 35.

Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2021, 09:35:28 PM »

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1. We currently have 4 developmental prospects (Timelord, Nesmith, Romeo, Pritchard) that need minutes to see what’s there or develop what’s there. I wouldn’t put Grant or Carsen in that category. If they surprise from here on out great, but they haven’t earned developmental opportunities yet.

Sorry to nitpick but we also now have Moses Brown who is certainly "developmental".  To your point though, if all 5 remain in the developmental stage through next season, that is a lot for a team trying to contend.

I guess Time Lord is developmental in the sense he can still grow his game, but he is miles ahead of those guys. He earned the starting job last year, and his current level is wayyy ahead of those other guys. The only thing that keeps him from starting again would be bad health. All due respect to Al Horford - who I like as a player - but he’s going to be 35.

Alternatively, if TimeLord is still developmental and not able to earn the starting spot this year it's time to move on.

Re: Don't trade Romeo 0r Aaron Nesmith
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2021, 10:52:33 PM »

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Rozier proved what mid range picks could become.Our young guys got cheated by Covid not just getting sick  .The no crowds ,no training  and few practices. because of compressed season.
Over on  Celtis subreddit, did anyone see the tape of Pritchards deep threes ,Romeos defense and Smarts defense and hustle plays
There’s a pretty good chance these guys (Langford/Nesmith) become James Young as well. Personally I don’t see it with Langford. Nesmith looked promising to end the year.
they're already better than Young so they won't become him.  Both of them showed they could develop into solid players for us towards the end of the year and playoffs.  Give them both a full training camp while they're healthy and I suspect all but the most bitter haters will be pleased with their contributions this coming season.
Would rather just trade them for an established player tbh. Langford hasn’t shown anything and is trending towards being a bust. Nesmith would sting a little bit neither player should be off limits.