Spencer Dinwiddie declines option. Future Celtic?

[Wretch]

I don't think a shoot first no defense PG is a good fit. He seems to be a bigger Lou Williams to me.  I'm hoping BS works out a way to get White or Murray from SA. Maybe a 3 way with LA sending TT to LA, Kuzma to SA and defensive PG to BOS. Obviously the salaries matching would have to be worked out.

[gouki88]

Haven't seen many good options of attainable players we could have, how do you guys feel about Derrick Rose if we go after him?

He's a really solid bench guard at this point, as he's more of a scoring guard than a game manager. I think some team will overpay him though

 My magic number for dominant floor manager is 8 APG. This dude was AvG almost 7Apg In his best season .

 Suggests he's a real PG.

Don't try and use D-Rose stats from a decade ago as relevant. That was the last time Rose averaged more than 5.6APG, and his post-injury average is 4.4APG

[tenn_smoothie]

Sign and trade?   Explain to me what this triggers (implications) for hard cap.  I assume means no MLE.

How much over MLE would SD be looking for coming off knee surgery?

He’s an unrestricted free agent. Because we are over the cap, we can’t make him an offer. Only way to get him would be sign and trade. He would have to agree, Boston and the Nets would have to agree, and we would need to send out enough salary to make the trade work (he doesn’t fit into any of our TPEs, which are just too small). If you do all that, you’ll probably have to overpay him (he’s looking for $20-25 mill), tie up money you’ll want to be free for Tatum’s last year to try and make a run at a bigger name (he’ll want and quite possibly get 3-4 years). And if you do all that you’re hard-capped, which makes filling out the rest of the roster a lot harder.

Is this extremely convoluted Collective Bargaining Agreement & complicated salary cap/luxury tax/penalty tax, on and on, achieving what it is intended to ? Often feels like a impediment to building a team the right way. You can be penalized for drafting players and developing them and making reasonable trades to construct a roster that fits together and is effective.

[Muzzy66]

The guy's already had 2 ACL injuries and some folks want him on the Hospital Celtics? I'm sure that would work out swimmingly.

How many ACL injuries has Parker had?

Parker isn't starting and being expected to play a major role.

[SHAQATTACK]

Now that I’m hearing about the ACLs , he appears much less intriguing to me.    We need players without the laundry list of injuries to back and knees. 

[Kiorrik]

Now that I’m hearing about the ACLs , he appears much less intriguing to me.    We need players without the laundry list of injuries to back and knees.

TP.

Would love us to steer away from faulties for a bit.

[Moranis]

To be fair, he tore his LEFT ACL in college and hasn't had any issues in that knee since.  His current ACL tear is in his RIGHT knee. 

[Roy H.]

Dinwiddie negotiating publicly:

In interview with Howard Beck of Sports Illustrated, Spencer Dinwiddie laid out what it would take for him to resign with Brooklyn. Dinwiddie told Beck that if the Nets offer him $125 million over five years, there would be a “high likelihood that I go back to the Nets.”

[Celtics2021]

Dinwiddie negotiating publicly:

In interview with Howard Beck of Sports Illustrated, Spencer Dinwiddie laid out what it would take for him to resign with Brooklyn. Dinwiddie told Beck that if the Nets offer him $125 million over five years, there would be a “high likelihood that I go back to the Nets.”

I chuckle at the posts that suggested he might be a target with our MLE.

[nickagneta]

Dinwiddie negotiating publicly:

In interview with Howard Beck of Sports Illustrated, Spencer Dinwiddie laid out what it would take for him to resign with Brooklyn. Dinwiddie told Beck that if the Nets offer him $125 million over five years, there would be a “high likelihood that I go back to the Nets.”

I chuckle at the posts that suggested he might be a target with our MLE.

That is chuckle worthy, but so is that $25 million for 5 years contract Dinwiddie is asking for.

[td450]

The more I read about the various options for getting a quality NBA point guard, the more it seems crazy not to do what it takes to draft Davion Mitchell. It would be so much cheaper, and he'll likely be better than any of them.

[Vermont Green]

I looked at his stats.  He really has only one season, 2029/20 with BKN, where he was better than Smart.  And even in that season, where he did score 20.6 ppg, he needed 16 shots (not great efficiency) and over 30% usage to rack up those points.  His shooting percentages, 41.5 FG%/30.8 3P% were actually no better than Smart.

I doubt this guy gets the kind of money he is fishing for but whatever he gets, to what extent does this set Smart's market?  I am not sure I would want Dinwiddie over Smart, certainly not on this current Celtics team.  Is a high volume, shoot first PG, coming off an injury, with a 30.8 3P% really something teams want to pay big money for?

People are assessing Smart as not good enough the be the 3rd best player on a good team, more suited to be the 4th best.  This is probably true but isn't it also true for Dinwiddie?  The Knicks for example (a team with some cap space), how good is a team headlined by Randle, Barrett, and Dinwiddie?  Better than Tatum, Brown, Smart?

[Roy H.]

The more I read about the various options for getting a quality NBA point guard, the more it seems crazy not to do what it takes to draft Davion Mitchell. It would be so much cheaper, and he'll likely be better than any of them.

I think he's hit or miss.  He measured at 6'0" at the combine, with an average to slightly below average wingspan.  That could limit his defense at the next level somewhat.  He's also going to be 23 years old before the season starts, and has only had one impressive year in college.

He's mocked to be a top-10 guy, which not only seems risky, but expensive to acquire.

[Who]

The more I read about the various options for getting a quality NBA point guard, the more it seems crazy not to do what it takes to draft Davion Mitchell. It would be so much cheaper, and he'll likely be better than any of them.

I think he's hit or miss.  He measured at 6'0" at the combine, with an average to slightly below average wingspan.  That could limit his defense at the next level somewhat.  He's also going to be 23 years old before the season starts, and has only had one impressive year in college.

He's mocked to be a top-10 guy, which not only seems risky, but expensive to acquire.

23? Sheesh.

That reminds me of Udoh a few years back (10yrs?). I loved what he did in college (I thought he was the next Horace Grant) but he was older than all the guys he was playing against and he did not come close to reproducing that level of play against grown men in the NBA. It really is a big advantage - nowadays in particular with so many one-and-done & two-and-done guys in the NCAA - to be an older college player. To have that physical superiority over the guys you are competing against by being a few years older and having that extra physical strength and know-how.

Those shooting numbers are sketchy looking as well. His only good year shooting the ball and his FTs still stink. Another warning sign along with the age and the wingspan / small size.

On a positive note -

I was trying to think of a player who he reminds me of. I started with Kemba but that wasn't right. Kyle Lowry is who I ended up with. A small scrappy guard who plays with physicality and passion. Enjoys defense. More of a all rounder on offense than a great scorer or pure playmaker.

Lowry took a few years to find his feet in the league as a bench PG to a starting PG to a star level PG. I wonder if Davion Mitchell could do the same given time.

[Atzar]

I've never really understood the interest that Dinwiddie gets. 

He'll give you scoring on below-league-average efficiency to go with average-to-below defense.  He's torn ACLs in both knees.  He has never made a secret of the fact that he's all about the money, and while I have no problem with that, it does mean that there's no chance we could get him on a team friendly contract - which means that there's likely no chance we could fit him into the exceptions we have available. 

I don't see how Dinwiddie becomes a good investment.