Merged: GreenlyGreeny Trade Ideas

[GreenlyGreeny]

Think about it this way: Shaq was dominant even if his best season at the line was only 62% with a career average of 53%. Simmons just has to drive and exclusively shoot from the paint as a point forward to become as dominant as Shaq in this new era. His career average is already 56%. Shaq improved from sub-50 to 62% in his prime, so there’s evidence someone can move their FT percentage up 12-15% later in their career. Plus, whenever you face elite bigs you just keep going down low with Simmons early on until those elite bigs are in foul trouble.

There's no comparison between Shaq and Simmons, just like there's no comparison between Giannis and Simmons. Both of those two are much more damaging athletes, and Giannis is a much superior shooter.

I really do not know why you're trying to get excited about Simmons when he's been nothing but a colossal disappointment his entire career.

Maybe it’s this simple: Simmons needs to be a point forward with two elite wings. I can totally envision the match-up nightmares.

It’s my new obsession because we’re clearly committed to Brown, and given that commitment I do not see another way to possibly build a dynasty before 2023 other than this move (admittedly, more likely than not it would not lead to a dynasty, but the probability is far greater than any other moves we could possibly make in the next two years, absent a western superstar unexpectedly becoming available on the cheap). 

[GreenlyGreeny]

Speaking of a western superstar who may unexpectedly become available:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/kawhi-leonard-reportedly-at-odds-with-clippers-over-handling-of-his-knee-injury/ar-AALxYak

Sign-and-trade of Fournier, including Thompson and one or more picks would get it done. Can you imagine that?

Smart/Pritchard/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Leonard/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/G. Williams
Horford/Timelord/Moses

[Ogaju]

Speaking of a western superstar who may unexpectedly become available:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/kawhi-leonard-reportedly-at-odds-with-clippers-over-handling-of-his-knee-injury/ar-AALxYak

Sign-and-trade of Fournier, including Thompson and one or more picks would get it done. Can you imagine that?

Smart/Pritchard/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Leonard/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/G. Williams
Horford/Timelord/Moses

lol..and this my friend is why you have your own dedicated trade thread. lol

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Speaking of a western superstar who may unexpectedly become available:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/kawhi-leonard-reportedly-at-odds-with-clippers-over-handling-of-his-knee-injury/ar-AALxYak

Sign-and-trade of Fournier, including Thompson and one or more picks would get it done. Can you imagine that?

Smart/Pritchard/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Leonard/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/G. Williams
Horford/Timelord/Moses

lol..and this my friend is why you have your own dedicated trade thread. lol

That's a crazy trade, but I will note a few concerning trends in Leonard's game:

PPG per 36 down from 30 to 26 this year.
FTA per 36 down from 8 to 6 this year.
St/Bl per 36 down from 2.6 to 2 this year.

His aggressiveness is down. Many have noticed he has lost a step on defense as well.

Now, let's be real - he's still a great player, and he still has an extra gear that most players don't have that can be used in big moments. But I seriously do wonder if we've seen Leonard's peak.

I tend to think his game will age gracefully, if he can stay on the court, but how many more seasons will he be the type of player that can lead a championship team? How many more seasons can he be the 1st or 2nd option on a contender? If I put the over-under at 2.5, would you pick the over or under? 

[Ogaju]

Speaking of a western superstar who may unexpectedly become available:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/kawhi-leonard-reportedly-at-odds-with-clippers-over-handling-of-his-knee-injury/ar-AALxYak

Sign-and-trade of Fournier, including Thompson and one or more picks would get it done. Can you imagine that?

Smart/Pritchard/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Leonard/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/G. Williams
Horford/Timelord/Moses

lol..and this my friend is why you have your own dedicated trade thread. lol

That's a crazy trade, but I will note a few concerning trends in Leonard's game:

PPG per 36 down from 30 to 26 this year.
FTA per 36 down from 8 to 6 this year.
St/Bl per 36 down from 2.6 to 2 this year.

His aggressiveness is down. Many have noticed he has lost a step on defense as well.

Now, let's be real - he's still a great player, and he still has an extra gear that most players don't have that can be used in big moments. But I seriously do wonder if we've seen Leonard's peak.

I tend to think his game will age gracefully, if he can stay on the court, but how many more seasons will he be the type of player that can lead a championship team? How many more seasons can he be the 1st or 2nd option on a contender? If I put the over-under at 2.5, would you pick the over or under?

Not a Leonard fan. His load management is a turn off.

[gouki88]

Speaking of a western superstar who may unexpectedly become available:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/kawhi-leonard-reportedly-at-odds-with-clippers-over-handling-of-his-knee-injury/ar-AALxYak

Sign-and-trade of Fournier, including Thompson and one or more picks would get it done. Can you imagine that?

Smart/Pritchard/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Leonard/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/G. Williams
Horford/Timelord/Moses

lol..and this my friend is why you have your own dedicated trade thread. lol

That's a crazy trade, but I will note a few concerning trends in Leonard's game:

PPG per 36 down from 30 to 26 this year.
FTA per 36 down from 8 to 6 this year.
St/Bl per 36 down from 2.6 to 2 this year.

His aggressiveness is down. Many have noticed he has lost a step on defense as well.

Now, let's be real - he's still a great player, and he still has an extra gear that most players don't have that can be used in big moments. But I seriously do wonder if we've seen Leonard's peak.

I tend to think his game will age gracefully, if he can stay on the court, but how many more seasons will he be the type of player that can lead a championship team? How many more seasons can he be the 1st or 2nd option on a contender? If I put the over-under at 2.5, would you pick the over or under?

Not a Leonard fan. His load management is a turn off.

While it's certainly far from ideal, he's played roughly the same amount of games as Brown has over the last two seasons. He doesn't rest as much as KD does, for example.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Kawhi is only 30, so I see him continuing to play into his late 30s. If he did choose the Celtics, he’d be our top option in 2021-2022 and likely a second or third option eventually with the maturation of the Super Jay Bros. It really could become a dynasty situation if he fell in love with the notion of following in Russell’s footsteps.

Our ace in the hole that I’m surprised nobody else has brought up yet: His relationship with Udoka…

Outside the box, baby. Outside the box.

The Clippers are 3-2 in the WCF without Kawhi. I do believe if he opted out, they would be open to taking on Thompson and Fournier and 1-2 first-rounders in order to get something (helping him come here) rather than nothing (him going to the Knicks)

[GreenlyGreeny]

Speaking of a western superstar who may unexpectedly become available:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/kawhi-leonard-reportedly-at-odds-with-clippers-over-handling-of-his-knee-injury/ar-AALxYak

Sign-and-trade of Fournier, including Thompson and one or more picks would get it done. Can you imagine that?

Smart/Pritchard/Edwards
Brown/Langford
Leonard/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/G. Williams
Horford/Timelord/Moses

lol..and this my friend is why you have your own dedicated trade thread. lol

Well, we’ll see if Udoka’s relationship with Kawhi, coupled with Kawhi’s frustration with the LA situation, leads to my dream.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Trade 1:

BOS Out: TT, G. Williams
BOS In: Kyle Kuzma

Trade 2:

BOS Out: Langford, Edwards, Parker
BOS In: Jarrett Culver

Trade 3:

BOS Out: Timelord, Madar, 2021 2nd
BOS In: Killian Hayes

Roster:

Smart/Hayes/Pritchard
Fournier/Culver/Veteran Free Agent at Min.
Jaylen/Nesmith/Veteran Free Agent at Min.
Tatum/Kuzma/Veteran Free Agent at Min.
Horford/Veteran Free Agent at MLE/Moses

[Celtics4ever]

I would love to see trade 1 happen but Grant Williams has zero value and you would be lucky to get a bag of potato chips for him let alone Kuzma.  I think would you have to add an asset to move him.

[GreenlyGreeny]

I would love to see trade 1 happen but Grant Williams has zero value and you would be lucky to get a bag of potato chips for him let alone Kuzma.  I think would you have to add an asset to move him.

True. Kuzma would be excellent depth at the 4/3 for us. He may require more such as Parker, who LeBron may delude himself into thinking he can spell some of his minutes. Bet LeBron would love playing with TT Kardashian again.

These moves would get us to title contention immediately:

BOS In: Beal, Kuzma, Hayes
BOS Out: 2021 2nd, 2023 1st, 2025 1st, Fournier, Timelord, TT, Langford, Parker, G. Williams, Edwards

WAS In: Fournier S&T, 2023 1st, 2025 1st
WAS Out: Beal (obviously Beal demanding the trade to BOS now)

LA In: TT, Parker, G. Williams
LA Out: Kuzma

DET In: Timelord, Langford, Edwards, 2021 2nd
DET Out: Hayes

Roster:

Smart/Pritchard/Madar
Beal/Hayes
Jaylen/Nesmith
Tatum/Kuzma
Horford/Moses

Round out the final 3 slots with ring-chasing vets (Kent Bazemore who is connected to Horford, Avery Bradley as an option at 2/1, and Dwight Howard to help with the glass), and maybe add one reclamation project now that Parker is gone (e.g., Tatum’s buddy Harry Giles). New roster:

Smart/Pritchard/Madar
Beal/Hayes/Bradley
Jaylen/Nesmith/Bazemore
Tatum/Kuzma/Giles
Horford/Howard/Moses

If Smart elevates his game to being a defensive pass-first PG and/or Hayes takes over starting PG with Smart as 6th man at 2/1, truly believe we could win it all following these off-season moves. Tatum/Beal are an elite top 1-2 duo with Jaylen undeniably being one of the best number three guys in the league, if not the best. It would be exciting to make it happen now rather than one year from now.

[Celtics4ever]

True. Kuzma would be excellent depth at the 4/3 for us. He may require more such as Parker, who LeBron may delude himself into thinking he can spell some of his minutes. Bet LeBron would love playing with TT Kardashian again.

This just reaffirms that you would not be able to get him for Grant.

I agree he would be a upgrade over Grant 100%

[gouki88]

True. Kuzma would be excellent depth at the 4/3 for us. He may require more such as Parker, who LeBron may delude himself into thinking he can spell some of his minutes. Bet LeBron would love playing with TT Kardashian again.

This just reaffirms that you would not be able to get him for Grant.

I agree he would be a upgrade over Grant 100%

Tristan Thompson is a better player than Kuzma and costs less. Why are we making this trade?

[GreenlyGreeny]

True. Kuzma would be excellent depth at the 4/3 for us. He may require more such as Parker, who LeBron may delude himself into thinking he can spell some of his minutes. Bet LeBron would love playing with TT Kardashian again.

This just reaffirms that you would not be able to get him for Grant.

I agree he would be a upgrade over Grant 100%

Tristan Thompson is a better player than Kuzma and costs less. Why are we making this trade?

Get rid of a locker room problem in TT, get rid of deadweight in Grant, and add cost-controlled depth at the 4/3.

[gouki88]

True. Kuzma would be excellent depth at the 4/3 for us. He may require more such as Parker, who LeBron may delude himself into thinking he can spell some of his minutes. Bet LeBron would love playing with TT Kardashian again.

This just reaffirms that you would not be able to get him for Grant.

I agree he would be a upgrade over Grant 100%

Tristan Thompson is a better player than Kuzma and costs less. Why are we making this trade?

Get rid of a locker room problem in TT, get rid of deadweight in Grant, and add cost-controlled depth at the 4/3.

Kuzma seems like a considerably worse locker-room presence