Brads comments on series vs Nets

[nickagneta]

Wait, Brad suggested that general NBA fans expect to see the Nets win?  And that the Celts need to play well to win?

Outrageous!

[RockinRyA]

Wait, Brad suggested that general NBA fans expect to see the Nets win?  And that the Celts need to play well to win?

Outrageous!

lol tp.

[tenn_smoothie]

Oh wow the bias is shining through with Goldstar and tenn surprise surprise.

Yep, I have a bias - I have hardly tried to hide it.

But, for future reference Rock, I don't think Brad Stevens is good enough to win a title.
Allowing your players to continuously make the same dumb plays over a few seasons is not good coaching.

[RockinRyA]

Oh wow the bias is shining through with Goldstar and tenn surprise surprise.

Yep, I have a bias - I have hardly tried to hide it.

But, for future reference Rock, I don't think Brad Stevens is good enough to win a title.
Allowing your players to continuously make the same dumb plays over a few seasons is not good coaching.

How many of that is on the players and how many on the coaches? because from what fans of other teams say, the Celtics are more disciplined than their teams. Sure if you narrow your views to only focus on the Celtics vs your supposed "perfect way to play" it will get skewed. But at some point you have to realize what the coach could do is limited. What is he supposed to do, sit them every time they dont follow? Because if that's the case no one will play. Players will have bad habits, and at some point no matter what coaching it is they will stay the same. And you as a coach have no other choice but to play those players because you have minutes to manage and you have no other option.

Brad is not perfect, heck it was obvious early this season his 2-big lineup isnt working but he continued to go with it. But I feel he gets a lot of blame for things he should not be blamed.

[Bostonborn62]

If they play like they played a few games this yr where they had great Ball movement, cutting to the basket, hitting their open shots, rebounded and played tenacious D ,then they have a shot at a game or 2 but I'm not holding my breath that they won't revert back to Hero Ball that's been allowed by Brad all yr. If that happens, then it will be a Sweep and the Games won't even be close. I'm hoping the Former.   

[hpantazo]

Perk gets it! Put Brad on blast today on ESPN for his Nets comments, Lol.

“If you love the Nets so much, go coach 'em!”


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j7aRNvZVGko

Did Perk forget that his favorite coach, Doc Rivers, was the ultimate politician who praised his opponents to no end before each game?

[Roy H.]

If they play like they played a few games this yr where they had great Ball movement, cutting to the basket, hitting their open shots, rebounded and played tenacious D ,then they have a shot at a game or 2 but I'm not holding my breath that they won't revert back to Hero Ball that's been allowed by Brad all yr. If that happens, then it will be a Sweep and the Games won't even be close. I'm hoping the Former.   

I would love to see the analytics on this. Good ball movement is prettier, but I wonder:  is it more effective on this team as currently constructed?

Part of me thinks that our best chance at winning is just to give Tatum the ball on every possession and have him make something happen. I am at the point where I prefer a contested Tatum shot to a wide open one from anybody other than Kemba or Fornier.

[Celtics2021]

If they play like they played a few games this yr where they had great Ball movement, cutting to the basket, hitting their open shots, rebounded and played tenacious D ,then they have a shot at a game or 2 but I'm not holding my breath that they won't revert back to Hero Ball that's been allowed by Brad all yr. If that happens, then it will be a Sweep and the Games won't even be close. I'm hoping the Former.   

I would love to see the analytics on this. Good ball movement is prettier, but I wonder:  is it more effective on this team as currently constructed?

Part of me thinks that our best chance at winning is just to give Tatum the ball on every possession and have him make something happen. I am at the point where I prefer a contested Tatum shot to a wide open one from anybody other than Kemba or Fornier.

It depends on the type of ball movement.  If it's mostly just kicking it around the perimeter, I'm not a fan.  If it creates minimally contested shots near the rim, that's a different story.  The Nets had the 6th-worst 2-point defense this year, implying they did in fact allow a lot of attempts at the rim, so I think that type of ball movement will be available against this team, and the C's will need to take advantage of it.

[Moranis]

If they play like they played a few games this yr where they had great Ball movement, cutting to the basket, hitting their open shots, rebounded and played tenacious D ,then they have a shot at a game or 2 but I'm not holding my breath that they won't revert back to Hero Ball that's been allowed by Brad all yr. If that happens, then it will be a Sweep and the Games won't even be close. I'm hoping the Former.   

I would love to see the analytics on this. Good ball movement is prettier, but I wonder:  is it more effective on this team as currently constructed?

Part of me thinks that our best chance at winning is just to give Tatum the ball on every possession and have him make something happen. I am at the point where I prefer a contested Tatum shot to a wide open one from anybody other than Kemba or Fornier.

ball movement is perfectly fine as long as Tatum is the main driver of that ball movement.  Tatum has to be in control of the offense because Tatum is really only the consistently good to great offensive player the team has right now (Brown was as well).  Kemba is when he is healthy, we just haven't seen much of it.  Fournier is fine as a 4th or 5th option type guy and RW is great in the paint.  But the team has poor offensive players on the whole and not very good defenders.

[Bobshot]

I don't think the current Celtics have that same desire to win that the Celtics of old had. Perkins was highly critical of Stevens  defeatist remarks.
The team hasn't won a title in 13 years. There was a time when the Celtics were EXPECTED to win. They were the Yankees of the NBA. But that was a different ownership and different management. The current one seems content with the status quo.

I don't think Stevens has a handle on this team. He certainly can't handle bigs. Brown's season ending surgery is a nice out for any failures to come, and justifies the return of Stevens.  And also Ainge. This team is going nowhere because the Celtics mystique is gone. Nobody worth anything wants to play for them.

[Roy H.]

I don't think Stevens has a handle on this team. He certainly can't handle bigs.

He certainly got the most out of Theis, Baynes and Horford.  Timelord looks promising despite a fragile body. 

He utilized Kanter less effectively.  What other bigs do you think he has mishandled?

There’s only so much a guy can do with 6’8” C/PFs who play below the rim.

[PhoSita]

I don't think the current Celtics have that same desire to win that the Celtics of old had. Perkins was highly critical of Stevens  defeatist remarks.
The team hasn't won a title in 13 years. There was a time when the Celtics were EXPECTED to win. They were the Yankees of the NBA. But that was a different ownership and different management. The current one seems content with the status quo.

The mindset of being "expected" to win is toxic for fans and players alike imo.

Celtics exceptionalism is tiresome and promotes fan negativity.  Calling back to a time when the Celtics were the "Yankees" of the NBA overlooks the reasons why the Celtics were able to be so exceptional in that era, and how drastically the league has changed since.

Witness the fact that the Celtics have been a very successful NBA franchise by really any metric (including titles) in the last 20 years, and yet a lot of Boston area fans seem to regard them as a disappointment.

This is a sport where any given era is dominated by just a handful of players.  It's a league that increasingly is giving those players freedom to go where they want, which inevitably privileges teams in big cities where young stars want to live.  The Celtics don't have one of those "marquee" players, and they haven't had one for decades now.  You could argue KG was one, but when he was on the Celtics he was already a bit past the point where he was part of that group. 

The point being that the expectation that the Celtics are going to compete for and win titles on a regular basis is just not realistic.  There are just a few franchises in the NBA that have the advantages needed to consistently manufacture the circumstances necessary for that. 

For every other team, you need luck, good ownership, great management, and good to great coaching to have sustained success, and that sustained success still won't give you better than an outside shot at a title.  The Celtics have had all of those things except for the luck part (although they've had their share of luck here and there, e.g. winning the Tatum lottery).


Be thankful for what you have and don't relinquish hope for the future.  That's a recipe for enjoyment as a fan, in my opinion.  Not "expecting" the team to win titles.

[nickagneta]

They were the Yankees of the NBA.

Oh, the Celtics are still the Yankees of the NBA, I mean, the last Yankee title was 2009(C's 2008) while their biggest rivals have won multiple championships, the Yanks have played in some recent ALCS's(like ECF's) while not making it back to the World Series(NBA Finals) and generally have fans that expect way too much given how competitive baseball(basketball for the Celtics) has become at the top of their league.

[PhoSita]

They were the Yankees of the NBA.

Oh, the Celtics are still the Yankees of the NBA, I mean, the last Yankee title was 2009(C's 2008) while their biggest rivals have won multiple championships, the Yanks have played in some recent ALCS's(like ECF's) while not making it back to the World Series(NBA Finals) and generally have fans that expect way too much given how competitive baseball(basketball for the Celtics) has become at the top of their league.

Celtics have way better uniforms

Celtics don't make their players style their hair a certain way so that they all look like extras from a mob movie set in the 1930s.

[nickagneta]

They were the Yankees of the NBA.

Oh, the Celtics are still the Yankees of the NBA, I mean, the last Yankee title was 2009(C's 2008) while their biggest rivals have won multiple championships, the Yanks have played in some recent ALCS's(like ECF's) while not making it back to the World Series(NBA Finals) and generally have fans that expect way too much given how competitive baseball(basketball for the Celtics) has become at the top of their league.

Celtics have way better uniforms

Celtics don't make their players style their hair a certain way so that they all look like extras from a mob movie set in the 1930s.

Celtics, Yankees and Canadiens probably have the best unis in all North American sports. Outside of North America, I always liked the Argentinian soccer national team's uniform the best.