Can the Celtics Operate in the Buyout Market?

[Roy H.]

Does Gorgui Dieng have anything left. He's only 31 but 31 looks different on different guys.

I would pass

He is too slow twitch on the D end

I'm not sure about that.  From what I've seen, he's still above average at defense and shot-blocking, and is hitting 3 pointers at a crazy rate.

[Vermont Green]

Now that the dust has settled, is it clear what the amount we have available to use to sign a buy out?  Spotrac has us at $132,152,616 for total cap allocations but they appear to be including Javonte Green ($1,517,981) who I understand was traded. In another place they list the luxury tax space as $-1,757,759 (meaning we are that much below) which looks more correct if you subtract out Green's salary.

My understanding is that we can realistically expect the team to go up to the tax threshold value of $132,627,000, which would leave us really no room or $1.7M depending on which number you take.  I believe that there are some incentives for Brown and Smart that may not kick in but for now, count against the cap.  I also believe that if you sign a vet to a min contract, that sometimes it does not count against the cap.

Has it been reported where the Celtics stand or expect to stand based on probably incentives?

[kraidstar]

Now that the dust has settled, is it clear what the amount we have available to use to sign a buy out?  Spotrac has us at $132,152,616 for total cap allocations but they appear to be including Javonte Green ($1,517,981) who I understand was traded. In another place they list the luxury tax space as $-1,757,759 (meaning we are that much below) which looks more correct if you subtract out Green's salary.

My understanding is that we can realistically expect the team to go up to the tax threshold value of $132,627,000, which would leave us really no room or $1.7M depending on which number you take.  I believe that there are some incentives for Brown and Smart that may not kick in but for now, count against the cap.  I also believe that if you sign a vet to a min contract, that sometimes it does not count against the cap.

Has it been reported where the Celtics stand or expect to stand based on probably incentives?

Wish I knew the exact numbers too, but allegedly the incentives could push us into the tax if we make the finals.

We might be able to shave a bit off if we buyout one our players. Not sure why Ainge didn't get us a little more safely below the line.

It also stinks that, two years ago, we were barely above the tax threshold. By like $2m iirc. And now the repeater tax is far more of a concern as a result. Which is why we really need to stay under this season.

[tstorey_97]

Thompson hasn't been that bad. From an "arc" standpoint, he's improved from his first 20 games.

Not happy to see him put the ball on the floor and attempt more than basic offense, but, he is a veteran and plays hard with his team mates.

Not a liability, but he ain't no Robert Williams either now is he?

[Celtics2021]

Now that the dust has settled, is it clear what the amount we have available to use to sign a buy out?  Spotrac has us at $132,152,616 for total cap allocations but they appear to be including Javonte Green ($1,517,981) who I understand was traded. In another place they list the luxury tax space as $-1,757,759 (meaning we are that much below) which looks more correct if you subtract out Green's salary.

My understanding is that we can realistically expect the team to go up to the tax threshold value of $132,627,000, which would leave us really no room or $1.7M depending on which number you take.  I believe that there are some incentives for Brown and Smart that may not kick in but for now, count against the cap.  I also believe that if you sign a vet to a min contract, that sometimes it does not count against the cap.

Has it been reported where the Celtics stand or expect to stand based on probably incentives?

The Celtics are about $900k clear of the tax based on the amount of incentives they’d pay out if they reach the conference finals.  A prorated minimum contract is a little less than $600k as of today, and continues to decline daily.  So we have room for one.  If we add a minimum today and we won the title, we would be in the tax, but that’s a trade-off you obviously accept.

Source:  Various tweets from Thursday that I can’t find now.

[kraidstar]

Now that the dust has settled, is it clear what the amount we have available to use to sign a buy out?  Spotrac has us at $132,152,616 for total cap allocations but they appear to be including Javonte Green ($1,517,981) who I understand was traded. In another place they list the luxury tax space as $-1,757,759 (meaning we are that much below) which looks more correct if you subtract out Green's salary.

My understanding is that we can realistically expect the team to go up to the tax threshold value of $132,627,000, which would leave us really no room or $1.7M depending on which number you take.  I believe that there are some incentives for Brown and Smart that may not kick in but for now, count against the cap.  I also believe that if you sign a vet to a min contract, that sometimes it does not count against the cap.

Has it been reported where the Celtics stand or expect to stand based on probably incentives?

The Celtics are about $900k clear of the tax based on the amount of incentives they’d pay out if they reach the conference finals.  A prorated minimum contract is a little less than $600k as of today, and continues to decline daily.  So we have room for one.  If we add a minimum today and we won the title, we would be in the tax, but that’s a trade-off you obviously accept.

Source:  Various tweets from Thursday that I can’t find now.

Pretty annoying we don't have a little more breathing room, and a little more money to entice a buyout candidate.

Was doing some reading about Smart and Brown's incentives. Smart's is apparently related to body fat percentage, from what I've read it sounds like he'll get it.

Brown's incentives seem less likely. According to Chris Haynes:

"$4 million likely incentives (plays 65 or more games, team wins 49 or more games and reaches second round of playoffs) $8 million unlikely incentives (MVP, DPOY or one of three All-NBA Teams)"

I'm guessing the 49 wins and 65 games played have lower, prorated numbers, but with our current record it seems unlikely we get to a prorated 49 wins.

So unless he gets an all-nba nod, he's unlikely to get those incentives.

[Celtics2021]

Now that the dust has settled, is it clear what the amount we have available to use to sign a buy out?  Spotrac has us at $132,152,616 for total cap allocations but they appear to be including Javonte Green ($1,517,981) who I understand was traded. In another place they list the luxury tax space as $-1,757,759 (meaning we are that much below) which looks more correct if you subtract out Green's salary.

My understanding is that we can realistically expect the team to go up to the tax threshold value of $132,627,000, which would leave us really no room or $1.7M depending on which number you take.  I believe that there are some incentives for Brown and Smart that may not kick in but for now, count against the cap.  I also believe that if you sign a vet to a min contract, that sometimes it does not count against the cap.

Has it been reported where the Celtics stand or expect to stand based on probably incentives?

The Celtics are about $900k clear of the tax based on the amount of incentives they’d pay out if they reach the conference finals.  A prorated minimum contract is a little less than $600k as of today, and continues to decline daily.  So we have room for one.  If we add a minimum today and we won the title, we would be in the tax, but that’s a trade-off you obviously accept.

Source:  Various tweets from Thursday that I can’t find now.

Pretty annoying we don't have a little more breathing room, and a little more money to entice a buyout candidate.

Was doing some reading about Smart and Brown's incentives. Smart's is apparently related to body fat percentage, from what I've read it sounds like he'll get it.

Brown's incentives seem less likely. According to Chris Haynes:

"$4 million likely incentives (plays 65 or more games, team wins 49 or more games and reaches second round of playoffs) $8 million unlikely incentives (MVP, DPOY or one of three All-NBA Teams)"

I'm guessing the 49 wins and 65 games played have lower, prorated numbers, but with our current record it seems unlikely we get to a prorated 49 wins.

So unless he gets an all-nba nod, he's unlikely to get those incentives.

Apparently Brown’s incentives are not all correctly reported, as he has incentives for more than the second round.  Also, Fournier has playoff-based incentives, which we would have to pay if he reached them with us.

[Roy H.]

Tax shouldn’t be any sort of issue at this point:

Bobby Marks: The Celtics will receive a $450K tax credit as a result of Evan Fournier missing out on 3 sets of likely bonuses in his contract. Fournier had a games played (53) bonus that was tied into reaching the 1st rd., 2nd rd. and conf. finals