Gorman isn’t happy - went off on Tatum/Brown

[Tr1boy]

First Things First on FS1 went off on Ainge today.  Just laid into him.  He, and basically only he, is what is wrong with the team (according to basically the whole panel).

Some merit is there

Last year should have burnt a late 1st for Christian Wood for example

Only gave up one 1st round pick for help for a playoff run. Team had a ton of late picks (like teams own 1st) to work with

[NKY fan]

First Things First on FS1 went off on Ainge today.  Just laid into him.  He, and basically only he, is what is wrong with the team (according to basically the whole panel).

Some merit is there

Last year should have burnt a late 1st for Christian Wood for example

Only gave up one 1st round pick for help for a playoff run. Team had a ton of late picks (like teams own 1st) to work with

I have been saying this exact thing for years but Danny Fan boys always laughed me out of that. Now it is becoming obvious its been a problem. I think part of it is - Danny fanboys think he is excellent drafter and also laud every late pick he makes. Everyone is basically untouchable until they get let go

[Tr1boy]

First Things First on FS1 went off on Ainge today.  Just laid into him.  He, and basically only he, is what is wrong with the team (according to basically the whole panel).

Some merit is there

Last year should have burnt a late 1st for Christian Wood for example

Only gave up one 1st round pick for help for a playoff run. Team had a ton of late picks (like teams own 1st) to work with

I have been saying this exact thing for years but Danny Fan boys always laughed me out of that. Now it is becoming obvious its been a problem. I think part of it is - Danny fanboys think he is excellent drafter and also laud every late pick he makes. Everyone is basically untouchable until they get let go

Probably the Timelord,  Tony Allen type effect

But Danny had like 4-5 picks in the 20s in the last 2 seasons

He couldn't package to move up or sell one or two for help.  Like Wood or Bertans

even as a rental, they would have helped for the playoffs. Especially last season. 

[philr13]

Gorman should apologize.

I've watched him for years going all the way back to his start in Providence. I've always like him, but the team play-by-play announcer publicly calling out 2 young players seems like crossing a line to me.

The Celtics problems aren't as simple as that and he should know better.

[Tr1boy]

Gorman should apologize.

I've watched him for years going all the way back to his start in Providence. I've always like him, but the team play-by-play announcer publicly calling out 2 young players seems like crossing a line to me.

The Celtics problems aren't as simple as that and he should know better.

No

He said what had to be said

Perkins ripped the Jays after last night game.  That it was embarrassing for letting Gallo go off like that

And its true

[NKY fan]

First Things First on FS1 went off on Ainge today.  Just laid into him.  He, and basically only he, is what is wrong with the team (according to basically the whole panel).

Some merit is there

Last year should have burnt a late 1st for Christian Wood for example

Only gave up one 1st round pick for help for a playoff run. Team had a ton of late picks (like teams own 1st) to work with

I have been saying this exact thing for years but Danny Fan boys always laughed me out of that. Now it is becoming obvious its been a problem. I think part of it is - Danny fanboys think he is excellent drafter and also laud every late pick he makes. Everyone is basically untouchable until they get let go

Probably the Timelord,  Tony Allen type effect

But Danny had like 4-5 picks in the 20s in the last 2 seasons

He couldn't package to move up or sell one or two for help.  Like Wood or Bertans

even as a rental, they would have helped for the playoffs. Especially last season.

“Half a season “ rental is another heresy or “wrong way of doing things” for the Danny’s apostles. It’s like absolutely never worth sending a very late FRP for a good player if there is a chance we can’t resign him. It’s absolutely ridiculous. And also why can’t we resign said player? Because Wyc has to manage teams expenses lol... Danny fanboys are very accommodating understanding of Wyc’s struggles with budget lol

[philr13]

Gorman should apologize.

I've watched him for years going all the way back to his start in Providence. I've always like him, but the team play-by-play announcer publicly calling out 2 young players seems like crossing a line to me.

The Celtics problems aren't as simple as that and he should know better.

No

He said what had to be said

Perkins ripped the Jays after last night game.  That it was embarrassing for letting Gallo go off like that

And its true

Perkins talks about a lot more than just Brown and Tatum when analyzing the team's problems. Gorman ripped 2 specific players. He even resorted to name-calling and cursing. He really lost his poise. That's my opinion anyway.

[Kuberski33]

Gorman was correct in his criticism. Brown and Tatum deserve a decent part of the blame because they're the best players - they do play selfishly at times (Tatum much more so) and if they play poorly the team plays poorly.

But I do find it interesting that Wyc, Ainge and to a lesser extent Brad have all gone out of their way to not criticize the Jays publicly. And that speaks to the current NBA where the stars control everything and the threat of pulling a Harden (or as Wyc pointed out - a Kyrie) can really mess up a franchise.

Gorman has 40 years of credibility in this market and his words carry weight. I think he's great. However what he said this week would get 90% of play by play announcers either suspended or fired outright since most of them are shill's for the team.  It was probably not the wisest move for an employee of the Celtics (or at least a guy who needs Celtics approval to keep his job).

But that said, I hope Mike stays on the job for another decade. We're lucky as basketball fans that we have him.

[Who]

Gorman was correct in his criticism. Brown and Tatum deserve a decent part of the blame because they're the best players - they do play selfishly at times (Tatum much more so) and if they play poorly the team plays poorly.

I disagree.

You don't ask Bernard King to play like LeBron James.

Guys have different specific skill-sets. Asking Jaylen and Tatum to be players they are not and then criticizing them for not being those players is wrong.

Jaylen and Tatum are fantastic players. They should be put in positions to best display their talents and the team this year has failed to do that. It has put them in difficult positions / unnatural to them positions. That is on the TEAM. Not them.

Criticism of Jaylen and Tatum for selfishness is off-base & wrong.

[gift]

Gorman was correct in his criticism. Brown and Tatum deserve a decent part of the blame because they're the best players - they do play selfishly at times (Tatum much more so) and if they play poorly the team plays poorly.

I disagree.

You don't ask Bernard King to play like LeBron James.

Guys have different specific skill-sets. Asking Jaylen and Tatum to be players they are not and then criticizing them for not being those players is wrong.

Jaylen and Tatum are fantastic players. They should be put in positions to best display their talents and the team this year has failed to do that. It has put them in difficult positions / unnatural to them positions. That is on the TEAM. Not them.

Criticism of Jaylen and Tatum for selfishness is off-base & wrong.

It's true neither of these guys are natural playmakers. Jaylen has already exceded what we had hoped for in the offseason in terms of his ability to create for others. Why are we expecting him to do it consistently all of a sudden? Tatum has really only showed the ability in flashes thus far as well. Consistency is the next step.

The only thing I agree with Gorman about is that the star players get the credit when things are going well, so they need to be the ones to figure it out when things are not going well. His specific criticisms don't make sense though. Kemba's play has an arguably worse effect than Tatum's, and there's an argument Brown isn't selfish enough. He praised Smart, but Marcus has years of shooting inefficient heat check shots instead of moving the ball.

If you're going to criticize specific aspects, be accurate. Otherwise, he's right that the best players (and coach and front office) need to figure it out.

[nickagneta]

Gorman was correct in his criticism. Brown and Tatum deserve a decent part of the blame because they're the best players - they do play selfishly at times (Tatum much more so) and if they play poorly the team plays poorly.

I disagree.

You don't ask Bernard King to play like LeBron James.

Guys have different specific skill-sets. Asking Jaylen and Tatum to be players they are not and then criticizing them for not being those players is wrong.

Jaylen and Tatum are fantastic players. They should be put in positions to best display their talents and the team this year has failed to do that. It has put them in difficult positions / unnatural to them positions. That is on the TEAM. Not them.

Criticism of Jaylen and Tatum for selfishness is off-base & wrong.

It's true neither of these guys are natural playmakers. Jaylen has already exceded what we had hoped for in the offseason in terms of his ability to create for others. Why are we expecting him to do it consistently all of a sudden? Tatum has really only showed the ability in flashes thus far as well. Consistency is the next step.

The only thing I agree with Gorman about is that the star players get the credit when things are going well, so they need to be the ones to figure it out when things are not going well. His specific criticisms don't make sense though. Kemba's play has an arguably worse effect than Tatum's, and there's an argument Brown isn't selfish enough. He praised Smart, but Marcus has years of shooting inefficient heat check shots instead of moving the ball.

If you're going to criticize specific aspects, be accurate. Otherwise, he's right that the best players (and coach and front office) need to figure it out.

Don't look now but Jaylen kinda is getting consistent at playmaking for others.

Over the last 6 games Jaylen has averaged 6.2 assists per game with an assist percentage of 28%. Yes his turnovers are up due to some bad passes, but the fact he is attempting those passes is a good thing. Less turnovers will come with more repetition.

[Somebody]

Gorman was correct in his criticism. Brown and Tatum deserve a decent part of the blame because they're the best players - they do play selfishly at times (Tatum much more so) and if they play poorly the team plays poorly.

I disagree.

You don't ask Bernard King to play like LeBron James.

Guys have different specific skill-sets. Asking Jaylen and Tatum to be players they are not and then criticizing them for not being those players is wrong.

Jaylen and Tatum are fantastic players. They should be put in positions to best display their talents and the team this year has failed to do that. It has put them in difficult positions / unnatural to them positions. That is on the TEAM. Not them.

Criticism of Jaylen and Tatum for selfishness is off-base & wrong.

Great post, TP. However, I do want to add that some posters' recent criticism of Tatum has come from finally realising that he's nowhere close to being an offensive all-time great like Durant or LeBron and being disappointed and frustrated about it rather than knowing that Tatum couldn't quite carry an offence to great heights but asking him to do it anyway.

[Somebody]

Gorman was correct in his criticism. Brown and Tatum deserve a decent part of the blame because they're the best players - they do play selfishly at times (Tatum much more so) and if they play poorly the team plays poorly.

I disagree.

You don't ask Bernard King to play like LeBron James.

Guys have different specific skill-sets. Asking Jaylen and Tatum to be players they are not and then criticizing them for not being those players is wrong.

Jaylen and Tatum are fantastic players. They should be put in positions to best display their talents and the team this year has failed to do that. It has put them in difficult positions / unnatural to them positions. That is on the TEAM. Not them.

Criticism of Jaylen and Tatum for selfishness is off-base & wrong.

It's true neither of these guys are natural playmakers. Jaylen has already exceded what we had hoped for in the offseason in terms of his ability to create for others. Why are we expecting him to do it consistently all of a sudden? Tatum has really only showed the ability in flashes thus far as well. Consistency is the next step.

The only thing I agree with Gorman about is that the star players get the credit when things are going well, so they need to be the ones to figure it out when things are not going well. His specific criticisms don't make sense though. Kemba's play has an arguably worse effect than Tatum's, and there's an argument Brown isn't selfish enough. He praised Smart, but Marcus has years of shooting inefficient heat check shots instead of moving the ball.

If you're going to criticize specific aspects, be accurate. Otherwise, he's right that the best players (and coach and front office) need to figure it out.

Don't look now but Jaylen kinda is getting consistent at playmaking for others.

Over the last 6 games Jaylen has averaged 6.2 assists per game with an assist percentage of 28%. Yes his turnovers are up due to some bad passes, but the fact he is attempting those passes is a good thing. Less turnovers will come with more repetition.

And some of those passes look quality with manipulation and velocity mixed in. Jaylen might not be an all-timer on offence, but the leap he has made this season has made him passable offensive centrepiece with the ability to scale well next to more and more talented teammates thanks to his quick-hitting game. Throw in top-notch non-big defence in the playoffs and this is one of the most valuable non-MVP players in the league.

[gift]

Gorman was correct in his criticism. Brown and Tatum deserve a decent part of the blame because they're the best players - they do play selfishly at times (Tatum much more so) and if they play poorly the team plays poorly.

I disagree.

You don't ask Bernard King to play like LeBron James.

Guys have different specific skill-sets. Asking Jaylen and Tatum to be players they are not and then criticizing them for not being those players is wrong.

Jaylen and Tatum are fantastic players. They should be put in positions to best display their talents and the team this year has failed to do that. It has put them in difficult positions / unnatural to them positions. That is on the TEAM. Not them.

Criticism of Jaylen and Tatum for selfishness is off-base & wrong.

It's true neither of these guys are natural playmakers. Jaylen has already exceded what we had hoped for in the offseason in terms of his ability to create for others. Why are we expecting him to do it consistently all of a sudden? Tatum has really only showed the ability in flashes thus far as well. Consistency is the next step.

The only thing I agree with Gorman about is that the star players get the credit when things are going well, so they need to be the ones to figure it out when things are not going well. His specific criticisms don't make sense though. Kemba's play has an arguably worse effect than Tatum's, and there's an argument Brown isn't selfish enough. He praised Smart, but Marcus has years of shooting inefficient heat check shots instead of moving the ball.

If you're going to criticize specific aspects, be accurate. Otherwise, he's right that the best players (and coach and front office) need to figure it out.

Don't look now but Jaylen kinda is getting consistent at playmaking for others.

Over the last 6 games Jaylen has averaged 6.2 assists per game with an assist percentage of 28%. Yes his turnovers are up due to some bad passes, but the fact he is attempting those passes is a good thing. Less turnovers will come with more repetition.

Exactly. We didn't even know he could do this as recently as a few months ago. We can't expect him to not go through stretches in games where he doesn't put it all together. If there's criticism of selfishness on offense, it shouldn't be pointed in Jaylen's direction, for sure. Somewhat in Tatum's, tempered by his continued development. If we are criticizing anyone for lack of running an offense, it would be Kemba, but that's never been his game either. He's just not scoring enough to make up for his deficiencies right now.

Team needs to deconstructed a bit and set up for more success in the future.

[ozgod]

Gorman should apologize.

I've watched him for years going all the way back to his start in Providence. I've always like him, but the team play-by-play announcer publicly calling out 2 young players seems like crossing a line to me.

The Celtics problems aren't as simple as that and he should know better.

It would be best for the two young players called out to think clearly about what was said by someone who has been watching and calling this team since the 1980s, and seeing how they can take the criticism positively and improve, rather than taking offense because someone dared to criticize them in public. Also if you listen to the entire interview Gorman never said they were the only problem.